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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 13, 2021 19:45:15 GMT
Because we are having to gamble on signings. He's low risk and cheap. We'll take a look, see what potential he's got before sending him back. He makes Ince look like Messi , send the big earner out and bring in a player you’ve picked up from the street having a kick about with a Stoke strip on It's ok, we got an Ince clone with the other new boy.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2021 19:46:05 GMT
It's was obvious after watching him for a couple of minutes games that he's nowhere near this level of football. Clarke you can tell is a footballer- Matondo...he can just run fast. Whoever scouted him needs to take a long hard look at themselves. I think it's too soon to judge him. I thought Clarke offered very little today either. Collins has more determination to get past the full back than either of them.
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Post by stokest5 on Feb 14, 2021 0:15:39 GMT
He might be fast but he has no football brain. Brown is a better option. I don’t even think Rabbi looks fast.
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Feb 14, 2021 1:48:11 GMT
He might be fast but he has no football brain. Brown is a better option. I don’t even think Rabbi looks fast. I thought that watching the Norwich game.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 14, 2021 7:15:15 GMT
Took me springer out this morning 6am on the field with me torch and his ball , and wow can that dog run , then when you Chuck him his ball he’s useless with it at his feet and quite frankly gives up , after watching the highlights yesterday I thought I wonder if Rabbi was a springer in a former life
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Post by melbournepotter on Feb 14, 2021 7:21:15 GMT
I don’t even think Rabbi looks fast. I thought that watching the Norwich game. I wonder if he just looks fast because he is not all that tall and his legs move quick giving the impression he is fast. I have prevously seen shorter players given games because of their perceived pace, but in actual games, in foot races down the line, they look like they are moving quickly but get mown down/matched for pace quite easily by a taller and supposedly slower opponent.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 11:12:57 GMT
I don’t even think Rabbi looks fast. I thought that watching the Norwich game. Same. Off the ball the Norwich left back had no challenge beating him for pace.
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Post by femark on Feb 14, 2021 11:21:29 GMT
I thought that watching the Norwich game. I wonder if he just looks fast because he is not all that tall and his legs move quick giving the impression he is fast. I have prevously seen shorter players given games because of their perceived pace, but in actual games, in foot races down the line, they look like they are moving quickly but get mown down/matched for pace quite easily by a taller and supposedly slower opponent. The opposite is Souttar, he looks like a lumbering defender but quite often matches pace with supposedly quick forwards
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 11:58:48 GMT
Stevie Wonder took the credit for this one.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2021 12:28:45 GMT
He might be fast but he has no football brain. Brown is a better option. I don’t even think Rabbi looks fast. Their midfielder was running diagonally towards him and still got back to him with ease.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 14, 2021 12:33:56 GMT
And these are O Neil’s signings which is a Serious concern!
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Post by monkeycat on Feb 14, 2021 12:46:30 GMT
He’s Absolute garbage
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2021 12:50:47 GMT
In his defence, he's a cheap punt for 4 months. We didn't even have to pay a loan fee, did we?
We obviously couldn't afford anyone at all permanently once we'd signed the injured Doughty - and even loan deals of any pedigree were massively difficult to pull off
The only purchase he deserves serious scrutiny for is Brown, whose basket he put a lot of his eggs in. The rest are short-term sticking plasters on a FFP-restricted budget.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 14, 2021 14:56:03 GMT
In his defence, he's a cheap punt for 4 months. We didn't even have to pay a loan fee, did we? We obviously couldn't afford anyone at all permanently once we'd signed the injured Doughty - and even loan deals of any pedigree were massively difficult to pull off The only purchase he deserves serious scrutiny for is Brown, whose basket he put a lot of his eggs in. The rest are short-term sticking plasters on a FFP-restricted budget. The issue is we're paying his wages on top of potentially paying a vast proportion of the wages of others out on loan. At the moment he looks like he'll offer less than Verlinden in the short term. If the long term plan was to get rid of Verlinden then fair enough, get rid in the summer and keep him for the 4 months and save a few quid. We might aswell have kept Ince at this rate too, given we're allegedly paying close to 100% of his wages at Luton, if you believe their own ITKs. This is what I was getting at on the other thread about needing a manager that extracts every last ounce out of his squad and the market. It's harsh on MON that he needs to be that man but that is the lay of the land now. If Matondo was a freebie permanent signing and we essentially did a swap for Verlinden then I totally get it. Bring him in now and develop him a la Wright Phillips and Goodwin. If we looked at him and thought he could come in and hit the ground running as a Campbell replacement, as was hinted at when he signed, then wow, the new recruitment team have pulled a bit of a boner. We can ill afford wasted loan signings at this point and going forwards. They are pretty much the free hit difference makers at this level aren't they?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2021 15:15:37 GMT
In his defence, he's a cheap punt for 4 months. We didn't even have to pay a loan fee, did we? We obviously couldn't afford anyone at all permanently once we'd signed the injured Doughty - and even loan deals of any pedigree were massively difficult to pull off The only purchase he deserves serious scrutiny for is Brown, whose basket he put a lot of his eggs in. The rest are short-term sticking plasters on a FFP-restricted budget. The issue is we're paying his wages on top of potentially paying a vast proportion of the wages of others out on loan. At the moment he looks like he'll offer less than Verlinden in the short term. If the long term plan was to get rid of Verlinden then fair enough, get rid in the summer and keep him for the 4 months and save a few quid. We might aswell have kept Ince at this rate too, given we're allegedly paying close to 100% of his wages at Luton, if you believe their own ITKs. This is what I was getting at on the other thread about needing a manager that extracts every last ounce out of his squad and the market. It's harsh on MON that he needs to be that man but that is the lay of the land now. If Matondo was a freebie permanent signing and we essentially did a swap for Verlinden then I totally get it. Bring him in now and develop him a la Wright Phillips and Goodwin. If we looked at him and thought he could come in and hit the ground running as a Campbell replacement, as was hinted at when he signed, then wow, the new recruitment team have pulled a bit of a boner. We can ill afford wasted loan signings at this point and going forwards. They are pretty much the free hit difference makers at this level aren't they? He'd clearly made his mind up on Verlinden - and we were banging our heads against a wall with Ince. I'd guess there won't be a huge difference in wages between Verlinden and Matondo, despite his huge price tag. There were clearly no strikers available - but possibly not many wingers either? Derby took a punt on Roberts, who'd flopped badly at Boro and Norwich. The thing that baffles me with Matondo is a supposedly meticulous top German club thought he was worth £10m. Not exactly Vorsprung durch Technik. We had to get Doughty in January if we wanted him, so the coffers were pretty much bare apart from a shot in the dark. To be fair, maybe we saw both Clarke and Matondo as free hits. According to reports, it had been widely signalled they were both very much available at a time not many were If one partially connected, it was a bit of a win, as they were pretty much all that was going. Warnock, for one, said he didn't think Clarke could add anything so he too was very much in the total punt category - and that was all we were left withif we wanted to add that type of player with what we had to play with
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Post by Gods on Feb 14, 2021 15:22:58 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2021 15:28:15 GMT
In his defence, he's a cheap punt for 4 months. We didn't even have to pay a loan fee, did we? We obviously couldn't afford anyone at all permanently once we'd signed the injured Doughty - and even loan deals of any pedigree were massively difficult to pull off The only purchase he deserves serious scrutiny for is Brown, whose basket he put a lot of his eggs in. The rest are short-term sticking plasters on a FFP-restricted budget. So keep Verliden and give him a chance.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 14, 2021 15:35:20 GMT
The issue is we're paying his wages on top of potentially paying a vast proportion of the wages of others out on loan. At the moment he looks like he'll offer less than Verlinden in the short term. If the long term plan was to get rid of Verlinden then fair enough, get rid in the summer and keep him for the 4 months and save a few quid. We might aswell have kept Ince at this rate too, given we're allegedly paying close to 100% of his wages at Luton, if you believe their own ITKs. This is what I was getting at on the other thread about needing a manager that extracts every last ounce out of his squad and the market. It's harsh on MON that he needs to be that man but that is the lay of the land now. If Matondo was a freebie permanent signing and we essentially did a swap for Verlinden then I totally get it. Bring him in now and develop him a la Wright Phillips and Goodwin. If we looked at him and thought he could come in and hit the ground running as a Campbell replacement, as was hinted at when he signed, then wow, the new recruitment team have pulled a bit of a boner. We can ill afford wasted loan signings at this point and going forwards. They are pretty much the free hit difference makers at this level aren't they? He'd clearly made his mind up on Verlinden - and we were banging our heads against a wall with Ince. I'd guess there won't be a huge difference in wages between Verlinden and Matondo, despite his huge price tag. There were clearly no strikers available - but possibly not many wingers either? Derby took a punt on Roberts, who'd flopped badly at Boro and Norwich. The thing that baffles me with Matondo is a supposedly meticulous top German club thought he was worth £10m. Not exactly Vorsprung durch Technik. We had to get Doughty in January if we wanted him, so the coffers were pretty much bare apart from a shot in the dark. To be fair, maybe we saw both Clarke and Matondo as free hits. According to reports, it had been widely signalled they were both very much available at a time not many were If one partially connected, it was a bit of a win, as they were pretty much all that was going. Warnock, for one, said he didn't think Clarke could add anything so he too was very much in the total punt category - and that was all we were left withif we wanted to add that type of player with what we had to play with What concerns me, is that by the end of the season we could be in a situation whereby the general concensus on his first real forays into an FFP enforced market are: Brown - not worth 2M. A restrictive waste. Mikel - legs have gone. Needs replacing. Fletcher - injury prone. Not reliable. Clarke - no different to Ince. Matondo - useless. Fox - solid signing. Thompson - improving nicely. Doughty - . His biggest successes have arguably been the introduction of youth and slight improvement of a few players he inherited. In a squad situation where we need to get rid and replace we need a far bigger hit rate than 2 out of 7, if it pans out that way, when money is scarce. I feel a right so and so judging him like that, and I wish he had the freedom Rowett had because I'm convinced he would spend it way better, but we are where we are. Personally speaking, I think the best and most important signing in the summer will have to be an experienced football person higher up in the club, even on a consultancy basis, that is used to working the markets and someone who is used to wheeling and dealing - preferably with contacts. If said person can help turn 2 or 3 maybes into good signings, or help the manager look at things a bit differently then he pays for himself. This club has proven that it isn't the club for a manager to cut his teeth in the market at this level. They are clueless.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 15:42:29 GMT
He makes Ince look like Messi , send the big earner out and bring in a player you’ve picked up from the street having a kick about with a Stoke strip on It's ok, we got an Ince clone with the other new boy. I think it’s a bit harsh to slam a lad when it’s clear that the style of play we are using is focussing on his weaknesses. He’s one of the fastest players in the championship. How about we play balls through to him down the wing instead of balls to feet with his back to goal?
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Post by thehoof on Feb 14, 2021 15:53:33 GMT
He’s quick based on a timing chart. He hasn’t looked quick in his minutes on the pitch, but he has looked lost and weak on the ball; his control is similar to Brown’s. To release Verlinden and replace him with Matondo, and then give Matondo more minutes than Verlinden is a bit of a head scratcher.
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Post by monkeycat on Feb 14, 2021 16:29:43 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2021 16:32:45 GMT
Low risk loan until Doughty gets fit.
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Post by Jack Jarvis Esquire on Feb 14, 2021 16:43:58 GMT
Nowhere near good enough.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 16:45:55 GMT
He'd clearly made his mind up on Verlinden - and we were banging our heads against a wall with Ince. I'd guess there won't be a huge difference in wages between Verlinden and Matondo, despite his huge price tag. There were clearly no strikers available - but possibly not many wingers either? Derby took a punt on Roberts, who'd flopped badly at Boro and Norwich. The thing that baffles me with Matondo is a supposedly meticulous top German club thought he was worth £10m. Not exactly Vorsprung durch Technik. We had to get Doughty in January if we wanted him, so the coffers were pretty much bare apart from a shot in the dark. To be fair, maybe we saw both Clarke and Matondo as free hits. According to reports, it had been widely signalled they were both very much available at a time not many were If one partially connected, it was a bit of a win, as they were pretty much all that was going. Warnock, for one, said he didn't think Clarke could add anything so he too was very much in the total punt category - and that was all we were left withif we wanted to add that type of player with what we had to play with What concerns me, is that by the end of the season we could be in a situation whereby the general concensus on his first real forays into an FFP enforced market are: Brown - not worth 2M. A restrictive waste. Mikel - legs have gone. Needs replacing. Fletcher - injury prone. Not reliable. Clarke - no different to Ince. Matondo - useless. Fox - solid signing. Thompson - improving nicely. Doughty - . His biggest successes have arguably been the introduction of youth and slight improvement of a few players he inherited. In a squad situation where we need to get rid and replace we need a far bigger hit rate than 2 out of 7, if it pans out that way, when money is scarce. I feel a right so and so judging him like that, and I wish he had the freedom Rowett had because I'm convinced he would spend it way better, but we are where we are. Personally speaking, I think the best and most important signing in the summer will have to be an experienced football person higher up in the club, even on a consultancy basis, that is used to working the markets and someone who is used to wheeling and dealing - preferably with contacts. If said person can help turn 2 or 3 maybes into good signings, or help the manager look at things a bit differently then he pays for himself. This club has proven that it isn't the club for a manager to cut his teeth in the market at this level. They are clueless. Very well put
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Post by christhepotter on Feb 14, 2021 16:46:24 GMT
How is it the likes of Mclean, Allen, Brown get numerous chances with you guys because they work aard Rabbi plays a few games and should be banished. He needs a consistent run of games... The Shite run we are in we can’t afford give him a run of games , we need all of them performing well
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Post by onepara on Feb 14, 2021 18:02:45 GMT
He has hit the ground running. Slowly. I could keep up with him, & I'm in my 80's. He gives up too easily when he has a chance to get the ball. A bit like Ince, who runs alongside the opposing player to make it look like he's trying to get the ball. Flatters to deceive. Useless. A well-paid useless.
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Post by theteacher on Feb 14, 2021 18:12:11 GMT
So far appears another transfer blunder - luckily only on a short-term loan.
Is it the club (our club) that makes players look poor? Is it the team structure (how we are set up and players used)? Or is it all about recruitment?
I a, struggling to see a good player recruited since Powell.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 14, 2021 18:15:55 GMT
As much as I would love him to be a success, we can't keep playing him from the start, it's like having 10 players..It was worth taking a risk on. Also I don't think he looks terribly quick.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 15, 2021 19:57:27 GMT
Not impressed so far. His touch isn't great, he constantly runs into defenders rather than round them, gets knocked off the ball easily and doesn't make space for himself off the ball. He just looks lost. Maybe he needs time but at the moment he doesn't deserve to start. Clarke has looked way better.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 15, 2021 20:36:31 GMT
Marc Goodfellow II
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