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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 20, 2020 9:04:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 9:21:45 GMT
With relegation came a huge backlash saying we had lost our drive and identity. The owners finally gave in after 2 failures and got a Pulis type defensive manager. 50% of our fan base dreamed of his return. Here he is He's not a defensive manager he's a pragmatist. He sets teams up to the situation he finds himself in at that particular time. The shackles will come off when we get players back and fully fit. Fletcher and Powell to name just two were clearly not fully fit yesterday but we have no adequate replacements.
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Post by mowcoppotter1 on Dec 20, 2020 9:33:39 GMT
With relegation came a huge backlash saying we had lost our drive and identity. The owners finally gave in after 2 failures and got a Pulis type defensive manager. 50% of our fan base dreamed of his return. Here he is He's not a defensive manager he's a pragmatist. He sets teams up to the situation he finds himself in at that particular time. The shackles will come off when we get players back and fully fit. Fletcher and Powell to name just two were clearly not fully fit yesterday but we have no adequate replacements. Exactly this I still believe he’d change 50% of the team if he had the choice but his hands are tied with financial fair play so he’s having to work with what he’s got. He’s identified that keeping it tight at the back and playing on the counter best suits the players we’ve got. This is good management. Surely better to keep the points ticking over keeping clean sheats whilst we’ve got lots of injuries and staying in with a shout of the playoffs rather than playing open expansive football and losing. By January we would be out of the race. Blackburn simply had a better attack than us with the players we had available. Hopefully when we get players back and perhaps a couple of new signings Michael O’Neil will start to trust his attack a little more and we will start playing better football again.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 20, 2020 9:49:36 GMT
Best manager in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 9:53:30 GMT
Getting the best out of the players available? I bet Ince cost at least what there starting 11 cost. They played good football with pace. Yeah they lost....play that game another 9 times and they win. It's turgid shit football. If we buy Cameron Jerome for 20 million it doesn't make him better than every player that costs less. What kind of bullshit logic are you looking at? Some of our fans are such entitled little shits aren't they, fuck me. A year ago relegation was more or less a certainty, now we're moaning that we're in 7th but not playing the free flowing football we love even though half the squads in hospital and Tyrese will be out the season. The fact we are so shit on the eyes right now is exactly why MON is so good, only an idiot sticks to one set of tactics in spite of injuries etc.
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2020 9:53:36 GMT
With relegation came a huge backlash saying we had lost our drive and identity. The owners finally gave in after 2 failures and got a Pulis type defensive manager. 50% of our fan base dreamed of his return. Here he is He's not a defensive manager he's a pragmatist. He sets teams up to the situation he finds himself in at that particular time. The shackles will come off when we get players back and fully fit. Fletcher and Powell to name just two were clearly not fully fit yesterday but we have no adequate replacements. This He absolutely isn't Pulis
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2020 9:55:22 GMT
With relegation came a huge backlash saying we had lost our drive and identity. The owners finally gave in after 2 failures and got a Pulis type defensive manager. 50% of our fan base dreamed of his return. Here he is He's not a defensive manager he's a pragmatist. He sets teams up to the situation he finds himself in at that particular time. The shackles will come off when we get players back and fully fit. Fletcher and Powell to name just two were clearly not fully fit yesterday but we have no adequate replacements. I find it hard to believe this needs explanation. But fair play. You nailed it.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 20, 2020 10:00:37 GMT
Getting the best out of the players available? I bet Ince cost at least what there starting 11 cost. They played good football with pace. Yeah they lost....play that game another 9 times and they win. It's turgid shit football. If we buy Cameron Jerome for 20 million it doesn't make him better than every player that costs less. What kind of bullshit logic are you looking at? Some of our fans are such entitled little shits aren't they, fuck me. A year ago relegation was more or less a certainty, now we're moaning that we're in 7th but not playing the free flowing football we love even though half the squads in hospital and Tyrese will be out the season. The fact we are so shit on the eyes right now is exactly why MON is so good, only an idiot sticks to one set of tactics in spite of injuries etc. By the same strange logic, Nick Powell and JOM should be dogshit because they didn’t cost us anything... O’Neill must be some kind of genius for getting them playing as well as they have been 🙂
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 20, 2020 10:09:50 GMT
Extraordinary some moan about him. Have they already forgotten we nearly went down to League One last season?
This squad still has flaws in them. Nobody expected the three young players at the back to be that good.
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Post by tronaldump on Dec 20, 2020 10:11:44 GMT
I must admit that I struggle with those who cannot see what an excellent job MON has done. 12 months ago we were bottom of the league for goodness sake with a chance of sinking into oblivion. Those that play from within the squad now appear to be giving their all, someting we have been starved of for seasons,
It may not be pretty at times but in our current circumstances needs must. The expectations of some stagger me, I honestly do not know what you realistically can hope for with the squad so depleted, and some of those playing carrying knocks.
And for those old enough to remember the power of the Liverpool dynasty of the 70's...."evolution not revolution" is what breeds succes. That has always stuck with me.
It is a massive thumbs up to MON and his staff from me.
It has put some Xmas cheer in my household anyway. And I guess I feel sorry for those Stokies who are struggling to fully appreciate what he is doing. Let's be honest, we all need cheering up at the moment.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2020 10:45:54 GMT
If we buy Cameron Jerome for 20 million it doesn't make him better than every player that costs less. What kind of bullshit logic are you looking at? Some of our fans are such entitled little shits aren't they, fuck me. A year ago relegation was more or less a certainty, now we're moaning that we're in 7th but not playing the free flowing football we love even though half the squads in hospital and Tyrese will be out the season. The fact we are so shit on the eyes right now is exactly why MON is so good, only an idiot sticks to one set of tactics in spite of injuries etc. By the same strange logic, Nick Powell and JOM should be dogshit because they didn’t cost us anything... O’Neill must be some kind of genius for getting them playing as well as they have been 🙂 You’re right. MON is a genius.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 20, 2020 10:47:58 GMT
I must admit that I struggle with those who cannot see what an excellent job MON has done. 12 months ago we were bottom of the league for goodness sake with a chance of sinking into oblivion. Those that play from within the squad now appear to be giving their all, someting we have been starved of for seasons, It may not be pretty at times but in our current circumstances needs must. The expectations of some stagger me, I honestly do not know what you realistically can hope for with the squad so depleted, and some of those playing carrying knocks. And for those old enough to remember the power of the Liverpool dynasty of the 70's...."evolution not revolution" is what breeds succes. That has always stuck with me. It is a massive thumbs up to MON and his staff from me. It has put some Xmas cheer in my household anyway. And I guess I feel sorry for those Stokies who are struggling to fully appreciate what he is doing. Let's be honest, we all need cheering up at the moment. Absolutely. If he can achieve this much in twelve months....imagine what he might achieve over the next 3 or 4 years.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2020 10:48:08 GMT
Getting the best out of the players available? I bet Ince cost at least what there starting 11 cost. They played good football with pace. Yeah they lost....play that game another 9 times and they win. It's turgid shit football. Compare what we are now, to what we were 12 months ago. There's nothing more to say, really. Did you see his comment about his team being boys trying to score against men? 3 of our back 5 had to have their nappies changed at half time. Deluded ugly bitter fuckwit. It's great to see that some things will never, ever change. I called his bitter ramblings about 29 minutes into 1st half
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 20, 2020 10:55:01 GMT
Getting the best out of the players available? I bet Ince cost at least what there starting 11 cost. They played good football with pace. Yeah they lost....play that game another 9 times and they win. It's turgid shit football. I think you’ll find a large chunk of Blackburn’s support want TM out because the type of football he’s got them playing isn’t producing results.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 20, 2020 11:02:19 GMT
He's doing what he has to do unfortunately. You don't think he wants to play Ince and Vokes do you? He's keeping us competitive in very trying circumstances. They cost 20 million plus quid with excellent stats playing at this level. If he's such a great manager why are they still so wank. What a player cost is irrelevant, it doesn't automatically make them great, Cousins cost nowt and has been one of our bets player since he was brought back in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 14:18:42 GMT
Getting the best out of the players available? I bet Ince cost at least what there starting 11 cost. They played good football with pace. Yeah they lost....play that game another 9 times and they win. It's turgid shit football. If we buy Cameron Jerome for 20 million it doesn't make him better than every player that costs less. What kind of bullshit logic are you looking at? Some of our fans are such entitled little shits aren't they, fuck me. A year ago relegation was more or less a certainty, now we're moaning that we're in 7th but not playing the free flowing football we love even though half the squads in hospital and Tyrese will be out the season. The fact we are so shit on the eyes right now is exactly why MON is so good, only an idiot sticks to one set of tactics in spite of injuries etc. We didn't buy Jerome for 20m though did we. We bought Ince for 14m and there was a jizz fest on here how good the signing was given his stats in this division. I do apologise if wanting to be entertained is being entitled. I wouldn't mind if it was one game but it's the 4th on the trot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 14:34:28 GMT
Best manager in the league. By a country mile.
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Post by zerps on Dec 20, 2020 16:16:45 GMT
Just been perusing the Blackburn Rovers forum and found the following as being the standard opinion amongst their “fans”. 1. Mowbray has to go 2. They love Mark Hughes 3. Stoke play awful football 4. Rather results over style 5. O’Neill is the best manager in the league (along with Warnock🙄) General consensus is we will be fighting for promotion and they will be mid table. Funny how opinions are so different when looking from the outside. If you lobotomised yourself and just looked at the result you’d be happy with it 😂
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 20, 2020 18:03:10 GMT
Once we get rid of the deadwood, have some decent money to spend, MON will hopefully upgrade our forward line.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 19:13:56 GMT
Compare what we are now, to what we were 12 months ago. There's nothing more to say, really. Did you see his comment about his team being boys trying to score against men? 3 of our back 5 had to have their nappies changed at half time. Deluded ugly bitter fuckwit. It's great to see that some things will never, ever change. I called his bitter ramblings about 29 minutes into 1st half Who's comment? Mine? Never mentioned anything about men and boys.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 20, 2020 19:28:06 GMT
Did you see his comment about his team being boys trying to score against men? 3 of our back 5 had to have their nappies changed at half time. Deluded ugly bitter fuckwit. It's great to see that some things will never, ever change. I called his bitter ramblings about 29 minutes into 1st half Who's comment? Mine? Never mentioned anything about men and boys. Mowbray not you. Complained that his young forward line was trying to score against a team of experienced men.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 20, 2020 21:29:05 GMT
Compare what we are now, to what we were 12 months ago. There's nothing more to say, really. Did you see his comment about his team being boys trying to score against men? 3 of our back 5 had to have their nappies changed at half time. Deluded ugly bitter fuckwit. It's great to see that some things will never, ever change. I called his bitter ramblings about 29 minutes into 1st half From first minute to last, it was a classic example of thuggish Stoke ruin football by beating free flowing West Brazil (Brazilburn?) and their samba tippy tappy. I've really missed that.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 21, 2020 9:54:43 GMT
He's not a defensive manager he's a pragmatist. He sets teams up to the situation he finds himself in at that particular time. The shackles will come off when we get players back and fully fit. Fletcher and Powell to name just two were clearly not fully fit yesterday but we have no adequate replacements. This He absolutely isn't Pulis Unfortunately a few clean sheets on the trot and low scoring games will always draw a comparison with the capped one, just no getting away from it. I'll go along with it when he outspends most of the other managers in this division on players of his choice, completely ignores the youth system and we're still seeing the same defensive bollocks we always did
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 21, 2020 18:10:23 GMT
I love this man He has given us back our identity He could easily be a top 4 manager We are lucky to have him Some may moan about tactics but he gets the best out of his players available I for one love the man which I haven’t been able to say since Hughes golden years He's definitely a manager to respect and, given the unknown quantity he was before he came here, he's proven himself a very good manager. Seems to have a lot in common with the last 18 months of Pulis. Saturday's game, for example, was a hard watch but a great result.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 21, 2020 18:34:12 GMT
I love this man He has given us back our identity He could easily be a top 4 manager We are lucky to have him Some may moan about tactics but he gets the best out of his players available I for one love the man which I haven’t been able to say since Hughes golden years If you love him so much could you please spell his name properly.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 21, 2020 19:03:55 GMT
I agree that he is a manager to respect - I like the hell out of him too. Like the way he speaks in press conferences, his mannerisms, his demeanor on the pitch etc.
Also I think he outshines Hughes in 2 areas: 1) He is in charge in that locker room and is getting players to play for 90 minutes (What a concept). 2) Knows how to set up a defense (That actually STOPS something)
Given time, he may also set up a successful offense. I just don't think he has consistently had the tools available thus far. It's amazing how we have been picking up points with all these injuries, that says something about him and these players too.
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 21, 2020 21:50:12 GMT
Fuck! You’re right. We best get rid fast. Who will we go for next? Always the same. Where have I said let's sack him? Our performances for the last 4 games have been woeful. That is down to his tactics. I will criticise him for that. Bang on. Nothing to do with the fact nearly our entire starting XI is out injured.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 13:59:32 GMT
Always the same. Where have I said let's sack him? Our performances for the last 4 games have been woeful. That is down to his tactics. I will criticise him for that. Bang on. Nothing to do with the fact nearly our entire starting XI is out injured. Our entire starting 11? Really.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 22, 2020 14:08:55 GMT
He's doing what he has to do unfortunately. You don't think he wants to play Ince and Vokes do you? He's keeping us competitive in very trying circumstances. They cost 20 million plus quid with excellent stats playing at this level. If he's such a great manager why are they still so wank. Maybe Ince and vokes are indeed just "wank" Some players do just lose it. Their best could just be behind them. I don't actually know but it could be a case of that.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 22, 2020 16:20:48 GMT
There's a piece in Jonathan Wilson's biography of Brian Clough that resonates with me about Micheal O'Niel:
"When he had arrived, he'd found a dressing room packed with players bought at great expense and all pulling in different directions. He got rid of all the older people and so called stars" said JM, who was making his way through the youth ranks at the time. "He brought all the younger people in, who he knew would work for him."
"Brian [Clough] was exactly the same" he [JM] said "............in terms of the emphasis of the team over the individual...."
JM was Jim Montgomery, the Sunderland goal keeper who Bob Stokoe ran across the pitch to hug when second division Sunderland beat mighty Leeds in the 1973 FA Cup Final.
The manager he is talking about is the former Sunderland manager Alan Brown who took Clough to Sunderland from Middlebrough and became his mentor. Who was Alan Brown? A short summary:
MO'N still has some way to go sweeping away the past, but I am looking forward to it. It's going to be a great journey.
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