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Tymon
Oct 28, 2020 16:53:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 16:53:48 GMT
Can’t agree with that one Bayern. He was a one man midfield at times. TOB shouldn’t never been stuck in their with him though. He’s a winger. TOB is a nothing player. He's not a defensive midfielder, he's not an attacking midfielder, he's not a central midfielder. He's certainly not winger. Sounds like exactly the multitudous player that O'Neill wants in his team...someone who's a bit of everything but not a specialist of anything in particular. Don't know about the lazy part though. I think he is energetic enough, but, he needs guidance and support. I'm not sure O'Neill is offering that. He seems to be more old school: shame the young players in public to make it a school of hard knocks. Apparently he thinks they will benefit from that. Whereas Vokes, Chester and Mikel is exempt from criticism.
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Post by neckender78 on Oct 28, 2020 16:59:13 GMT
Really want Josh to make it, I definitely think there is a player in there good enough for this level with the glimpses we have seen at Forest, pre season and league cup run. Good on the ball and pace, he needs to be coached on positional play, reading the game and the darker arts. Seems a confidence player who had none with previous managers. Needs the seasoned players to help him, a proper captain would have instructed and give him the confidence to take set pieces last night rather than the hapless Mcclean or Smith. He has the best delivery of those on the pitch last night.
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Tymon
Oct 28, 2020 18:15:34 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 28, 2020 18:15:34 GMT
TOB is a nothing player. He's not a defensive midfielder, he's not an attacking midfielder, he's not a central midfielder. He's certainly not winger. He's lazy off the ball and lazy with it. He will be 28 at playing for Hastings. I agree 100% He's definitely got bags of potential and my Spurs mate insists he was one of the brighter prospects in their academy not long ago. I'm just not sure what his best position is. He seems to be able to put good balls into the box from wide areas but he doesn't look like a winger. He gets knocked off the ball too easily for me and goes anonymous for large periods. He needs a lot of coaching to find out what his best position is although I'd think it's probably going to be a number 10.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2020 18:20:53 GMT
He's definitely got bags of potential and my Spurs mate insists he was one of the brighter prospects in their academy not long ago. I'm just not sure what his best position is. He seems to be able to put good balls into the box from wide areas but he doesn't look like a winger. He gets knocked off the ball too easily for me and goes anonymous for large periods. He needs a lot of coaching to find out what his best position is although I'd think it's probably going to be a number 10. He was too deep last night but second half put in a decent showing. He needs to be in an area where his quick feet, speed and ability to ghost past people are dangerous. From what I've seen he's much more effective just outside the penalty area
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Tymon
Oct 28, 2020 19:54:09 GMT
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Post by fca47 on Oct 28, 2020 19:54:09 GMT
Our whole midfield is made up of players only interested in recycling the ball, in ever decreasing circles. They're not helped by the constant hoofing up field, but that seems to be the only plan to get the ball up to the strikers quickly. If they bring it out into midfield, they know it will be back to them ,15 pointless passes later. The only players to remotely look like trying to break the lines are Maclean and Campbell.
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Tymon
Oct 29, 2020 2:54:26 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 29, 2020 2:54:26 GMT
The way we played, and always do when Vokes is the focal point of our forward line, was never going to suit Tymon or TOB, or even Powell, Clucas and Thompson for that matter. Twatting it over midfield to an immobile lump only suits DM's who are caged to shield the defensive line and they need to have a close to a faultless game when they are covering the likes of Jester.
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Tymon
Oct 29, 2020 3:32:12 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 29, 2020 3:32:12 GMT
He's definitely got bags of potential and my Spurs mate insists he was one of the brighter prospects in their academy not long ago. I'm just not sure what his best position is. He seems to be able to put good balls into the box from wide areas but he doesn't look like a winger. He gets knocked off the ball too easily for me and goes anonymous for large periods. He needs a lot of coaching to find out what his best position is although I'd think it's probably going to be a number 10. He was too deep last night but second half put in a decent showing. He needs to be in an area where his quick feet, speed and ability to ghost past people are dangerous. From what I've seen he's much more effective just outside the penalty area Can remember once, maybe twice where he pushed us forwards, otherwise anonymous. Also thought the same of Tymon, only with more poor passes. But I think the system was to blame. I want to see them given chances to play to their strengths. Give it to TOB on the ground in an attacking midfield position with someone sitting behind him so he can risk having a go at opening them up. Might work, might not.
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Tymon
Oct 29, 2020 22:53:00 GMT
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Post by a on Oct 29, 2020 22:53:00 GMT
Headline “ Bayern in support of youngsters shocker” Again I’ve said they were all shit 😂 Right on cue. How predictable. Sad really.
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Tymon
Oct 30, 2020 6:25:18 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 30, 2020 6:25:18 GMT
I’ve said they were all shit 😂 Right on cue. How predictable. Sad really. It's true tho. They were all shit really, but so were all the oldies.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2020 7:21:27 GMT
Big test for Tymon. If he does find the mental side of things tough going he's got a test to bounce back after 2 terrible showings.
There was one passage of play v swansea which was a direct result of his mistake v brentford where he just panicked as he received ball in a tight space.
He has to get over set backs and bad performances and stop dwelling on then if he's to really progress.
Every single one of them, including the subs that came on were poor on tuesday night. Don't dwell on it. It's gone.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 30, 2020 10:11:24 GMT
If he can show his mettle and bounce back I would imagine it will really make him one of MON's favourites, a really important phase of his career coming up. In fact the 3 games we face this week, will go a big way to showing where we stand for the season ahead..
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Tymon
Oct 30, 2020 13:56:09 GMT
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Post by hardcastle on Oct 30, 2020 13:56:09 GMT
Correct. We tend to overlook the importance of mental toughness. Who doen't love a Mama or a Glen? Sport isn't just about technique, pace and spatial appreciation. There is no better feeling than coming from a goal behind to win a game. Wednesday last Christmas being a case in point.
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Tymon
Oct 30, 2020 14:12:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 14:12:34 GMT
Made his debut. Looked the real deal. Faded quickly and was fucked off on loan Comes back looks top draw. Fades quickly. ????? He needs to figure out his best position. It's a shame he never really excelled in any loan spell, where we could actually figure out what he was good at. He looked awful vs Swansea, as most did and his pass back vs Brentford shows a real lack of concentration and awareness. When Clucas and Thompson are fit, I can't see him going back to centre mid. But he has shown that his pace and comfort on the ball in attacking positions can make him a handful. Maybe its left wing back or cover at left wing for now? He really needs to gain some consistency as at his age, if he can't find a regular position, he'll never do more than just okay in this league or the one below.
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Tymon
Oct 30, 2020 17:21:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 17:21:33 GMT
Made his debut. Looked the real deal. Faded quickly and was fucked off on loan Comes back looks top draw. Fades quickly. ????? He needs to figure out his best position. It's a shame he never really excelled in any loan spell, where we could actually figure out what he was good at. He looked awful vs Swansea, as most did and his pass back vs Brentford shows a real lack of concentration and awareness. When Clucas and Thompson are fit, I can't see him going back to centre mid. But he has shown that his pace and comfort on the ball in attacking positions can make him a handful. Maybe its left wing back or cover at left wing for now? He really needs to gain some consistency as at his age, if he can't find a regular position, he'll never do more than just okay in this league or the one below. What makes you think Tymon doesn't know his best position? His problem is that his manager needs someone with an educated left foot to play wingback and so he has decided that Tymon's the one, or one of them, to solve that problem. The fact that Tymon has limited defensive ability appears not to register with the manager. On the other hand O'Neill is the only manager in Tymon's career since he left Hull that appears to have time for Josh and offers him a safe environment for him to express himself. The past week has been forgettable but overall Tymon appears to reward his manager's faith in him, even if positionally he's not the answer to O'Neills' prayers.
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Tymon
Oct 30, 2020 17:33:19 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Oct 30, 2020 17:33:19 GMT
He's a strange one is Josh, he'll have the odd game where he looks a real prospect followed by a few where he looks a raffle winner. I tend to think the 'knowing his best position' is a bit of a get out clause for a footballer who perhaps lacks a little mental strength.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 18:45:01 GMT
He's a strange one is Josh, he'll have the odd game where he looks a real prospect followed by a few where he looks a raffle winner. I tend to think the 'knowing his best position' is a bit of a get out clause for a footballer who perhaps lacks a little mental strength. I've spoken on the subject before myself, but, though he gets nervv on matchdays, he has on the other hand shown a lot of mental strength coming back after being virtually on the brink of football's scraphead a year ago. He still has his detractors, but the very fact that he is subject of several threads repeatedly shows that he is a prospect we still consider important.
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Tymon
Oct 31, 2020 9:32:14 GMT
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Post by hardcastle on Oct 31, 2020 9:32:14 GMT
He's a strange one is Josh, he'll have the odd game where he looks a real prospect followed by a few where he looks a raffle winner. I tend to think the 'knowing his best position' is a bit of a get out clause for a footballer who perhaps lacks a little mental strength. I've spoken on the subject before myself, but, though he gets nervv on matchdays, he has on the other hand shown a lot of mental strength coming back after being virtually on the brink of football's scraphead a year ago. He still has his detractors, but the very fact that he is subject of several threads repeatedly shows that he is a prospect we still consider important.
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Post by hardcastle on Oct 31, 2020 9:38:44 GMT
Sure, he's a prospect. As are Brown, Tibo, TOBy, Thompson and the two young centre backs. Ty apart can anyone say for sure which ones are going to make it (at the top two tiers of the league pyramid, l mean). All we can do is manage them properly, encourage them and give them chances. We've not had so many young 'possibles' for decades. But they'll need help.
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Tymon
Oct 31, 2020 10:03:30 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 31, 2020 10:03:30 GMT
TOB reminds me of Imbula. Lots of ability but only comes out in bits. Needs to be more consistent. Has a chance though. May benefit from a loan in div 1.
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