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Post by BristolMick on Oct 27, 2020 22:08:06 GMT
Sure wasn’t last season when it was shit or bust was he? BM Last season is over, he is setting the team up to draw especially away from home, we looked piss poor tonight. Correct on all 3 counts but despite that he’s proved he CAN manage another way so isn’t a negative manager as you say. Was tonight mind and has been mainly this season but the start we’ve had hasn’t been so bad despite tonight’s appalling performance. He needs to show the ambition he did last year and play his best team and let opponents worry about us. BM
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 27, 2020 22:09:53 GMT
It wont get any better in my opinion whilst we retain players like Volkes, Smith, Tyman, Chester. Bang average at best and have the look of lower league players. That said all the chopping and changing is nonsense. A few years ago the team picked itself and thats what we need to get back to
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Post by march4 on Oct 27, 2020 22:12:07 GMT
Agree with this but I thought the same of a certain Mr Pulis and that didn't turn out too badly. Pulis he isn't mate I really can't see MON taking us to the heights TP did. TP is the best manager in world football. MON clearly isn’t.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 27, 2020 22:13:44 GMT
I obviously wouldn't be gutted don't be so moronic, but there's not a chance in hell we're making the play offs if we keep setting up so negitively. I don't want him gone, why would I, I want him to play the attacking football he himself proved works that kept us up. I actually said we need a “fit and firing Clucas and Powell” for us to even have a go at making the play offs, and with 38 games to go and with us statistically showing play off form since O’Neill joined I’m not sure why it’s “moronic” You constantly stick the boot in and certainly don’t dish out anywhere near as much praise considering the job he’s done..... You trying to claim I wouldn't be happy about it was the moronic part maybe I should have said pathetic instead. He got plenty of praise off me for the last game but I think his overly negitive tactics are boring and a bit worrying, he's got the players to go for teams, he showed that last season, when we attacked we got the results so why is he shitting it now. There's no need. We could have been in the top six tonight with a positive set up and giving the players a chance, if we'd lost then fine at least we gave it a go but we didn't do anything but surrender the game from the get go.
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Post by peterpan1 on Oct 27, 2020 22:14:00 GMT
Ordinarily I'd like to forget it and move on, unfortunately this is not the first time he's done this to a winning team. The players must be as baffled as the fans. We could just dwell on it for weeks I suppose. That’s the beauty of the Championship, park the last game and move quickly onto the next one. We are a work in progress, we can’t play the same XI every week, tonight’s experiment didn’t work simple as that. Similar personnel won at Wolves for example which helps understand MON’s thinking. Swansea are a younger more energetic team than us and it shows tonight, but there a long long way to go..... All will be forgiven if we win on Saturday 👍 My point being that players have had a knock to their confidence tonight after a good result against Brentford due to MON's experiment.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 27, 2020 22:15:48 GMT
It wont get any better in my opinion whilst we retain players like Volkes, Smith, Tyman, Chester. Bang average at best and have the look of lower league players. That said all the chopping and changing is nonsense. A few years ago the team picked itself and thats what we need to get back to It pretty much picks itself now its just that team isn't defencive enough for MON, he needs to trust the players.
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Post by stokey spoon on Oct 27, 2020 22:16:26 GMT
Come on! Losing to Swansea 2-0 away ain’t shit, they are a bloody good side! Long season! Maybe just ensuring stoke are not a Leeds who exhaust every player and drop out the top 6. Granted they went up last season but fuck me, capitulated time and time again before that after being in amazing places position wise! MON is a bit clever! Obviously your not getting it! Hate the haters, must be 19 year old fans who never experienced Grimsby away
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 27, 2020 22:17:53 GMT
The majority of us were fearing the worst when we saw the line up but what we actually produced was worse than we could have imagined. That was as rancid a performance as you’re likely to see.
The manager is highly thought of but our supporters won’t accept him ‘throwing’ games. Every game is winnable in this league so to set a side up like that just isn’t acceptable.
He’s put a lot of unnecessary pressure on himself for Saturday now, anything other than a win and he’ll come in for some serious criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:35:49 GMT
The majority of us were fearing the worst when we saw the line up but what we actually produced was worse than we could have imagined. That was as rancid a performance as you’re likely to see. The manager is highly thought of but our supporters won’t accept him ‘throwing’ games. Every game is winnable in this league so to set a side up like that just isn’t acceptable. He’s put a lot of unnecessary pressure on himself for Saturday now, anything other than a win and he’ll come in for some serious criticism. Did he throw the Wolves game when he went with fairly similar personnel? It was obvious from the first minute that we weren't at the races and that performance stank the place out but credit also has to go to Swansea who were straight on the front foot. Sometimes what is discussed in training doesn't translate to what happens out on the pitch. He's swapped and changed throughout by the way, and a reminder that away from home that was our first defeat in 8 and our first goal conceded in 510 minutes of football.....
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Post by Ron on Oct 27, 2020 22:38:18 GMT
It’s also 6 goals given away cheaply in 3 games. The common denominator being one James Chester
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Post by Bagwash on Oct 27, 2020 22:39:00 GMT
Agree with this but I thought the same of a certain Mr Pulis and that didn't turn out too badly. Pulis he isn't mate I really can't see MON taking us to the heights TP did. I absolutely agree with this matey.If MON achieves half as much as TP then I will be well pleased.
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Post by george2again on Oct 27, 2020 22:42:15 GMT
While he’s done a great job here so far he isn’t faultless. Tonight’s team left a lot to be desired, but let’s not get carried away. It’s our 5/6 games in 3 weeks we were bound to lose one. All about how we react in the next game, MON has a good record of getting a reaction. Absolutely rubbish. What we are now seeing is the character of the manger who wants to defend first and not let the team express its self. We are going to massively struggle with negative tactics and wrong personnel being introduced. Play your best team and change when people are injured or really off form.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 22:55:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:00:19 GMT
While he’s done a great job here so far he isn’t faultless. Tonight’s team left a lot to be desired, but let’s not get carried away. It’s our 5/6 games in 3 weeks we were bound to lose one. All about how we react in the next game, MON has a good record of getting a reaction. Absolutely rubbish. What we are now seeing is the character of the manger who wants to defend first and not let the team express its self. We are going to massively struggle with negative tactics and wrong personnel being introduced. Play your best team and change when people are injured or really off form. Powell is carrying a knock. Fletcher isn't up to full speed yet. Thompson and Clucas being injured meant that Mikel had to play one too many games. Playing your "best" team every Wed/Sat/Tue simply isn't possible over a 50+ game season especially with the amount of games coming up between now and Xmas.....
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Post by BristolMick on Oct 27, 2020 23:10:02 GMT
Absolutely rubbish. What we are now seeing is the character of the manger who wants to defend first and not let the team express its self. We are going to massively struggle with negative tactics and wrong personnel being introduced. Play your best team and change when people are injured or really off form. Powell is carrying a knock. Fletcher isn't up to full speed yet. Thompson and Clucas being injured meant that Mikel had to play one too many games. Playing your "best" team every Wed/Sat/Tue simply isn't possible over a 50+ game season especially with the amount of games coming up between now and Xmas..... Of course we can’t play the same team every game but what is worrying is how far behind the required standard some of those who played tonight are. How come a no hoper club with no superstars sit well clear at the top, obviously managing to put together a competitive team every Wed/Sat/Tue and us with our vastly superior resources can’t? BM
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:12:22 GMT
Powell is carrying a knock. Fletcher isn't up to full speed yet. Thompson and Clucas being injured meant that Mikel had to play one too many games. Playing your "best" team every Wed/Sat/Tue simply isn't possible over a 50+ game season especially with the amount of games coming up between now and Xmas..... Of course we can’t play the same team every game but what is worrying is how far behind the required standard some of those who played tonight are. How come a no hoper club with no superstars sit well clear at the top, obviously managing to put together a competitive team every Wed/Sat/Tue and us with our vastly superior resources can’t? BM The worrying part of tonight is that 5 of the starting 11 were signed by the manager and only 1 of them looked anything like.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2020 23:14:23 GMT
Powell is carrying a knock. Fletcher isn't up to full speed yet. Thompson and Clucas being injured meant that Mikel had to play one too many games. Playing your "best" team every Wed/Sat/Tue simply isn't possible over a 50+ game season especially with the amount of games coming up between now and Xmas..... Of course we can’t play the same team every game but what is worrying is how far behind the required standard some of those who played tonight are. How come a no hoper club with no superstars sit well clear at the top, obviously managing to put together a competitive team every Wed/Sat/Tue and us with our vastly superior resources can’t? BM Tonight imo was down to 2 things. Intent - we didn’t have any Playing 2 players we know don’t work in Vokes and Chester. They both had shockers. And one (Vokes) was central to our game plan of hoofing it for dear life. But we got the performance most of us expect from him. MON has been excellent overall but again he’s just a bit too negative and stuck in the mud with certain players. It’s frustrating.
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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 27, 2020 23:14:26 GMT
most people knew when the team was announced it was going to be a crap performance
MON-Master Of Negativity
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:18:00 GMT
Powell is carrying a knock. Fletcher isn't up to full speed yet. Thompson and Clucas being injured meant that Mikel had to play one too many games. Playing your "best" team every Wed/Sat/Tue simply isn't possible over a 50+ game season especially with the amount of games coming up between now and Xmas..... Of course we can’t play the same team every game but what is worrying is how far behind the required standard some of those who played tonight are. How come a no hoper club with no superstars sit well clear at the top, obviously managing to put together a competitive team every Wed/Sat/Tue and us with our vastly superior resources can’t? BM Because they're on a good run, and the stats of how many goals they've scored against chances created are off the chart currently. And you say vastly superior resources, yet O'Neill is having to build a squad whilst having the wage bill slashed using players that are essentially stuck in no mans land as no one wants them. So very much a transitional period, with games coming thick and fast. He won't always get it right, he said as much tonight after the game......
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Post by boweryboy on Oct 27, 2020 23:20:24 GMT
What a shame for these players,my heart bleeds...gone are the days of no substitutes, playing on mud sanded pitches...no sports scientists looking after them.. Jesus wept !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:20:55 GMT
Of course we can’t play the same team every game but what is worrying is how far behind the required standard some of those who played tonight are. How come a no hoper club with no superstars sit well clear at the top, obviously managing to put together a competitive team every Wed/Sat/Tue and us with our vastly superior resources can’t? BM The worrying part of tonight is that 5 of the starting 11 were signed by the manager and only 1 of them looked anything like. They were all shite irrespective of who signed them. That's the reality of tonight's game, no positives at all......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:22:48 GMT
What a shame for these players,my heart bleeds...gone are the days of no substitutes, playing on mud sanded pitches...no sports scientists looking after them.. Jesus wept !! And you could turn up to watch them, have a couple of pints, pie and peas, a packet of Woodbines and still have change from tuppence ha'penny to get the bus home......
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 23:31:16 GMT
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Post by kerouac on Oct 27, 2020 23:31:43 GMT
Why does he have these brain farts? He's clearly a good manager but every now and again he pulls out these absolutely baffling team selections that make no sense before kick off and even less sense after kick off. This was one of the most glaring examples. Utterly senseless selection that had no logic to it at all and produced precisely the kind of abject performance you'd expect from such a selection. Simply has to make amends in the next game because that performance is all on O'Neill's head. That’s a very good post and you’re spot on.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 27, 2020 23:36:44 GMT
Absolutely rubbish. What we are now seeing is the character of the manger who wants to defend first and not let the team express its self. We are going to massively struggle with negative tactics and wrong personnel being introduced. Play your best team and change when people are injured or really off form. Powell is carrying a knock. Fletcher isn't up to full speed yet. Thompson and Clucas being injured meant that Mikel had to play one too many games. Playing your "best" team every Wed/Sat/Tue simply isn't possible over a 50+ game season especially with the amount of games coming up between now and Xmas..... I agree but a handful of games in? Why not start the same team injuries permitting then rest them against the lesser side (sorry Rotherham but that's how it is) on Saturday?
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 28, 2020 10:38:26 GMT
While he’s done a great job here so far he isn’t faultless. Tonight’s team left a lot to be desired, but let’s not get carried away. It’s our 5/6 games in 3 weeks we were bound to lose one. All about how we react in the next game, MON has a good record of getting a reaction. Absolutely rubbish. What we are now seeing is the character of the manger who wants to defend first and not let the team express its self. We are going to massively struggle with negative tactics and wrong personnel being introduced. Play your best team and change when people are injured or really off form. Mourinho has had decent success being negative first hasn’t he? That’s the beauty of football. Any style/formation has the potential to be successful if played well. He got it wrong tonight and will know that now.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 28, 2020 11:39:18 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 28, 2020 11:41:31 GMT
Absolutely rubbish. What we are now seeing is the character of the manger who wants to defend first and not let the team express its self. We are going to massively struggle with negative tactics and wrong personnel being introduced. Play your best team and change when people are injured or really off form. Powell is carrying a knock. Fletcher isn't up to full speed yet. Thompson and Clucas being injured meant that Mikel had to play one too many games. Playing your "best" team every Wed/Sat/Tue simply isn't possible over a 50+ game season especially with the amount of games coming up between now and Xmas..... I’m sure Forest won the league playing that way on ten times poor heavy muddy pitches
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Post by liathroid on Nov 7, 2020 15:32:33 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 7, 2020 15:35:55 GMT
Well done MON, it was all down to you.
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