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Post by mickstupp on Jul 9, 2020 21:53:41 GMT
It reminded me of a plucky non league team against a top notch premier league team in a cup match. For it to be a league game, between two allegedly equally matched sides, with the millions we have spent on our squad, the effort was nothing short of a complete and utter disgrace. Agree,it’s embarrassing given the money that has gone through and still goes through this football club that we have a team of such limited ability mistake prone fragile plodders. The only light for me is that MoN sees exactly what we are and where we need to change and I think he has the vision and ability to turn this just as Macari did albeit his signings of Jester Chester and Thompson have far from impressed. BM At least Chester is only on loan. As for Thompson, christ knows what he was thinking.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:53:58 GMT
No I said I “thought” it would not that it would mean it would. I’d expect it to give us a better chance of that certainly. Tedious clown. I thought we should have played 2-3-5. And I won’t have anyone telling me it would have been suicidal because you’ll never be able to prove otherwise and at least we’d have “gone down swinging” You’re making fuck all sense.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 9, 2020 21:54:12 GMT
handing them a 2 nil lead it was game over, about 5 mins before he hooked Campbell summed it up for me, we got the ball back in mid field, and sent it over to Tyrese, who within seconds had three Leeds players around him and he was dispossessed, and Tyrese pretty much just stood there with hands on hips, and the body language of saying "what is the fucking point". Did Sam Volkes actually touch the ball today? the defense are mostly switched off and slow to react to anything ( the second Chester was a mile away from his man, and he literally walked in to the penalty area and took his shot, in slow bastard motion) Jack simply stands there and is more or less "fuck it no one else wants to touch the ball, i don't either) the mid field is a fucking car crash, they cant pass the ball between them, there is little to no, actually there is absolutely no movement, and then up top touched the ball less than their keeper, (who to my recollection touched the ball 3 times, 2 pass packs and one kamakazi header).
fucking wankers
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Post by starkiller on Jul 9, 2020 21:54:34 GMT
I've just said it on another thread but I'll say it here again. Up until the most brain dead challenge you'll ever see, we were in the game. Naturally sitting back and holding on for a draw, yes. But we were mostly solid and were putting ourselves about. Everyone was putting in a shift, everyone was committed. The capitulation was unacceptable. But conceding that first in the way we did would deflate anyone. The only thing that's pissed me off beyond Smith's moment of pure stupidity is the damage we've taken to the GD. That will hurt us. I can't agree with the acceptance of being deflated after the first. In fact, we don't have the position in the table to have any room for deflation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 21:54:48 GMT
Hindsight? Are you fucking kidding me! 😂 Before kick off. Thought it was the same 4231 and we were going to go for it. My “hindsight” would have seen us still be a PL club. All that proves is you guessed the formation wrong..... It shows I thought it would be one to take it to them. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2020 21:55:06 GMT
We knocked them out of the League Cup at Elland Road on penalties this season didn't we, even led 2-0 at one stage.
I certainly didn't expect us to piss our goal difference advantage up the wall at the same time.
Which means the nature of tonight's defeat could see us plying our trade in division 3 in 6 weeks time. (If there still is such a thing as a financially viable division 3 with no paying customers that is.)
Tonight really was a cluster fuck, there is no avoiding it.
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Post by scfc1863 on Jul 9, 2020 21:55:45 GMT
No, and once the second goal went in I don't think the manager did and his thoughts turned to the Brum match judging by his substitutions. Obviously disappointed to lose but no where near to how I felt after the Wigan game.
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Post by datguy on Jul 9, 2020 21:58:01 GMT
I've just said it on another thread but I'll say it here again. Up until the most brain dead challenge you'll ever see, we were in the game. Naturally sitting back and holding on for a draw, yes. But we were mostly solid and were putting ourselves about. Everyone was putting in a shift, everyone was committed. The capitulation was unacceptable. But conceding that first in the way we did would deflate anyone. The only thing that's pissed me off beyond Smith's moment of pure stupidity is the damage we've taken to the GD. That will hurt us. I can't agree with the acceptance of being deflated after the first. In fact, we don't have the position in the table to have any room for deflation. I agree. We have no room to be deflated at the moment. But like it or not, it's only natural with the way we conceded. Don't make a crazy tackle and give away an unnecessary penalty, we don't get deflated...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:59:56 GMT
All that proves is you guessed the formation wrong..... It shows I thought it would be one to take it to them. Nothing more, nothing less. But it doesn’t show that “in taking it to them” we may have found ourselves 2-0 down after 10 minutes. Or that if Smith hadn’t dropped a clanger Leeds might have got edgy second half as the game remained 0-0......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 22:01:15 GMT
We knocked them out of the League Cup at Elland Road on penalties this season didn't we, even led 2-0 at one stage. I certainly didn't expect us to piss our goal difference advantage up the wall at the same time. Which means the nature of tonight's defeat could see us plying our trade in division 3 in 6 weeks time. (If there still is such a thing as a financially viable division 3 with no paying customers that is.) Tonight really was a cluster fuck, there is no avoiding it. A cluster fuck that the players need to put to one side instantly like they did after Wigan.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 22:01:42 GMT
It shows I thought it would be one to take it to them. Nothing more, nothing less. But it doesn’t show that “in taking it to them” we may have found ourselves 2-0 down after 10 minutes. Or that if Smith hadn’t dropped a clanger Leeds might have got edgy second half as the game remained 0-0...... That’s irrelevant. You’re just smearing shit on the walls now.
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Post by datguy on Jul 9, 2020 22:08:14 GMT
It shows I thought it would be one to take it to them. Nothing more, nothing less. But it doesn’t show that “in taking it to them” we may have found ourselves 2-0 down after 10 minutes. Or that if Smith hadn’t dropped a clanger Leeds might have got edgy second half as the game remained 0-0......That's the most infuriating part. 5-10 minutes before the penalty they were getting frustrated. Looked flashy in possession but weren't really creating much beyond the clearance off the line. They would've been on the rocks during HT. FFS Smith.
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Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2020 22:14:31 GMT
We knocked them out of the League Cup at Elland Road on penalties this season didn't we, even led 2-0 at one stage. I certainly didn't expect us to piss our goal difference advantage up the wall at the same time. Which means the nature of tonight's defeat could see us plying our trade in division 3 in 6 weeks time. (If there still is such a thing as a financially viable division 3 with no paying customers that is.) Tonight really was a cluster fuck, there is no avoiding it. A cluster fuck that the players need to put to one side instantly like they did after Wigan..... Yes but the premise of the question in the OP "Did anyone expect to beat Leeds?" is that because a win was unlikely the fact we didn't get one doesn't really matter. Perhaps not but there was no need to give away our goal difference advantage at the same time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 22:16:40 GMT
A cluster fuck that the players need to put to one side instantly like they did after Wigan..... Yes but the premise of the question in the OP "Did anyone expect to beat Leeds?" is that because a win was unlikely the fact we didn't get one doesn't really matter. Perhaps not but there was no need to give away our goal difference advantage at the same time! Of course, but go and beat Brum and Brizzle and our goal difference will be irrelevant. The goal difference is a kick in the bollocks but in the cold light of day from a points perspective we are where most of us expected to be after tonight’s game.....
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Post by Rose City Potter on Jul 9, 2020 22:17:48 GMT
No. The best we could have hoped for was nicking a draw. Getting done by 5 is awful but it was more likely than us winning there. We are miles away from them in every aspect.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 9, 2020 22:20:27 GMT
We'd have had more of a chance to at least swing. We might have gone 1-0 down after 7 seconds. We’ll never know...... Maybe but we may also have hit back..... A lot of ifs I get it but why not just set up how we know works for us and go from there.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 9, 2020 22:24:39 GMT
Most of us thought we would have lost, but not absolutely dry humped for 5, and even optimistic would have hoped for a draw, but then a suicidal gutless effortless performance like that, we got our arses handed to us on a plate and begged for more. Its not the defeat, its the manner in which these shit heads went about it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 9, 2020 22:31:53 GMT
When I play shit golf on the day of a game stoke normally get a positive result and my golf was fucking horrendous this morning.
On that basis I expected us to win handsomely.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 9, 2020 22:41:04 GMT
I thought the players trying were badly let down by Cousins, Smith, Collins, Chester when he came on and especially Batth.. he was all over the place before we went behind and caused so much confusion and panic in defence. Between those individual players they were killing our chances of getting more into the game, most of our players were pressing and working hard but at the back we were shocking.
Smith's challenge was reckless and insane for someone with his experience and from then on it was pure schoolboy defending.
I thought we could get a point for most of the 1st half, we had players pressing and players throwing themselves in front of the ball and even though we seemed very shaky defensively at times we just needed to get to half time with the score even. Smith killed our chances gifting them a goal but I felt it was Batth being so uncomfortable that let the nerves set in amongst the defence.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 9, 2020 22:43:33 GMT
I thought the players trying were badly let down by Cousins, Smith, Collins, Chester when he came on and especially Batth.. he was all over the place before we went behind and caused so much confusion and panic in defence. Between those individual players they were killing our chances of getting more into the game, most of our players were pressing and working hard but at the back we were shocking. Smith's challenge was reckless and insane for someone with his experience and from then on it was pure schoolboy defending. I thought we could get a point for most of the 1st half, we had players pressing and players throwing themselves in front of the ball and even though we seemed very shaky defensively at times we just needed to get to half time with the score even. Smith killed our chances gifting them a goal but I felt it was Batth being so uncomfortable that let the nerves set in amongst the defence. I have seen it back a few times, I really don't see what he was playing at, there player was running away from the penalty area, and then had a paddy hitting the floor, it was a penalty all day long, but the question is WHY? why would you do that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 22:54:22 GMT
I thought the players trying were badly let down by Cousins, Smith, Collins, Chester when he came on and especially Batth.. he was all over the place before we went behind and caused so much confusion and panic in defence. Between those individual players they were killing our chances of getting more into the game, most of our players were pressing and working hard but at the back we were shocking. Smith's challenge was reckless and insane for someone with his experience and from then on it was pure schoolboy defending. I thought we could get a point for most of the 1st half, we had players pressing and players throwing themselves in front of the ball and even though we seemed very shaky defensively at times we just needed to get to half time with the score even. Smith killed our chances gifting them a goal but I felt it was Batth being so uncomfortable that let the nerves set in amongst the defence. I have seen it back a few times, I really don't see what he was playing at, there player was running away from the penalty area, and then had a paddy hitting the floor, it was a penalty all day long, but the question is WHY? why would you do that? Poor decision making caused by tiredness, stupidity? Either way it was a hopeless challenge......
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 9, 2020 22:57:16 GMT
I have seen it back a few times, I really don't see what he was playing at, there player was running away from the penalty area, and then had a paddy hitting the floor, it was a penalty all day long, but the question is WHY? why would you do that? Poor decision making caused by tiredness, stupidity? Either way it was a hopeless challenge...... and totally unnecessary
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 9, 2020 22:58:12 GMT
I thought the players trying were badly let down by Cousins, Smith, Collins, Chester when he came on and especially Batth.. he was all over the place before we went behind and caused so much confusion and panic in defence. Between those individual players they were killing our chances of getting more into the game, most of our players were pressing and working hard but at the back we were shocking. Smith's challenge was reckless and insane for someone with his experience and from then on it was pure schoolboy defending. I thought we could get a point for most of the 1st half, we had players pressing and players throwing themselves in front of the ball and even though we seemed very shaky defensively at times we just needed to get to half time with the score even. Smith killed our chances gifting them a goal but I felt it was Batth being so uncomfortable that let the nerves set in amongst the defence. I have seen it back a few times, I really don't see what he was playing at, there player was running away from the penalty area, and then had a paddy hitting the floor, it was a penalty all day long, but the question is WHY? why would you do that? Panicking and nerves and maybe a bit pissed off with some of the others, the majority of our defence were all over the place. Until the penalty Smith wasn't playing well but he wasn't as near as bad as Batth and Collins were. Their partnership was non existent and they had to be dug out the shit a couple of times. Batth needed to take control and sadly he didn't bother turn up.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 9, 2020 22:58:14 GMT
It shows I thought it would be one to take it to them. Nothing more, nothing less. But it doesn’t show that “in taking it to them” we may have found ourselves 2-0 down after 10 minutes. Or that if Smith hadn’t dropped a clanger Leeds might have got edgy second half as the game remained 0-0...... No it doesn't but we'd have had a better chance imo using a formation that works over one we know doesn't.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 9, 2020 23:06:11 GMT
I have seen it back a few times, I really don't see what he was playing at, there player was running away from the penalty area, and then had a paddy hitting the floor, it was a penalty all day long, but the question is WHY? why would you do that? Panicking and nerves and maybe a bit pissed off with some of the others, the majority of our defence were all over the place. Until the penalty Smith wasn't playing well but he wasn't as near as bad as Batth and Collins were. Their partnership was non existent and they had to be dug out the shit a couple of times. Batth needed to take control and sadly he didn't bother turn up. but why take your man out when 3 seconds later he would have been outside the box... an experienced defender just doenst do that, it was harder work to make the tackle than to follow him out of the box.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 9, 2020 23:09:13 GMT
Panicking and nerves and maybe a bit pissed off with some of the others, the majority of our defence were all over the place. Until the penalty Smith wasn't playing well but he wasn't as near as bad as Batth and Collins were. Their partnership was non existent and they had to be dug out the shit a couple of times. Batth needed to take control and sadly he didn't bother turn up. but why take your man out when 3 seconds later he would have been outside the box... an experienced defender just doenst do that, it was harder work to make the tackle than to follow him out of the box. Visions, for a split second he probably thought he could get it, you see it quite often, for some reason they don't think again and just go for it.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 9, 2020 23:20:23 GMT
Panicking and nerves and maybe a bit pissed off with some of the others, the majority of our defence were all over the place. Until the penalty Smith wasn't playing well but he wasn't as near as bad as Batth and Collins were. Their partnership was non existent and they had to be dug out the shit a couple of times. Batth needed to take control and sadly he didn't bother turn up. but why take your man out when 3 seconds later he would have been outside the box... an experienced defender just doenst do that, it was harder work to make the tackle than to follow him out of the box. He's just one of those kids that chase the football. I must say it's one of the dumbest things I have seen a professional footballer do.... if we can call him professional, that tackle was anything but.
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 9, 2020 23:29:29 GMT
but why take your man out when 3 seconds later he would have been outside the box... an experienced defender just doenst do that, it was harder work to make the tackle than to follow him out of the box. He's just one of those kids that chase the football. I must say it's one of the dumbest things I have seen a professional footballer do.... if we can call him professional, that tackle was anything but. No dumber than Jester’s similar challenge on the Luton player in the last minute at Kenilworth Rd that cost us two extremely precious points. The whole team is riddled with costly mistakes and utter ineptness. BM
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 9, 2020 23:39:21 GMT
but why take your man out when 3 seconds later he would have been outside the box... an experienced defender just doenst do that, it was harder work to make the tackle than to follow him out of the box. Visions, for a split second he probably thought he could get it, you see it quite often, for some reason they don't think again and just go for it. Yes understandable if the player was heading towards goal - Kurt Zouma's tackle the other night could have been a penalty and red card but he was preventing a clear shooting opportunity so you take a risk. A player with Smith's (or Chester's earlier this season) experience should not be taking risks however clearly he can see the ball when the forward is running away from goal.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 14:43:51 GMT
No,but I thought we could get a draw. At worst a 1 or 2 goal defeat,not fucking 5.
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