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Post by pavel on Jun 30, 2020 21:31:14 GMT
0 - The line up was a portent of what was to come. Shambolic, but the biggest problem was the boys below him, that performance was not worthy of calling them men, and the men above him who have not a clue how to run a modern football club.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 30, 2020 21:33:08 GMT
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Post by future100 on Jun 30, 2020 21:46:30 GMT
0 A bunch of limited talent players bought by managers with the same level of talent who have secured their futures after being sacked by Stoke for being so unbelievably talentless. I really don't want to listen to anyone going on about Hughes or Pulis, when you think of the players they signed who gave us so much pleasure, we will never see the like again in my lifetime. Both deserved to go, but both provided us with sublime moments of pleasure
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 30, 2020 21:55:04 GMT
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How do you defend that. Cant recall a more gutless performance. At least we had a go on saturday.
"One touch in 55 minutes" Ince wants throwing off a cliff but he'd still miss the bottom.
As for the rest you couldnt make one good player out of the lot of em.
Im at a loss as to how we can get out of this mess.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 30, 2020 23:01:57 GMT
We're fucked. We deserve to be fucked. What the fuck's happened to us? Ok there are many legacy issues with the squad and it was right imo to switch things around after Boro, but since lockdown Mick appears to have lost all traction with the players. Everyone else has got this so much righter than us: why?? If he can turn this round now he can probably walk across Westport Lake too. Otherwise we are deep, deep in it. At the business end of the season and we're worse than under Jones. 1 from me add * if you somehow managed to get in there I think we need to apply some logic Sal. If, say, Ward had improved his fitness immensely over lockdown, O'Niell would have been wise to pick him. I think the mess we see us a result of lockdown and the Allen injury. Our players took it as a holiday and came back with terrible attitudes and even worse fitness. He seems to have selected line ups and formations based on this, and tonight's comments reinforce that. The defensive outlook mirrors the lack of faith and attitude he's seen in the stats and in training etc. He's even started those points tonight too. I don't think this is on O'Niell, I genuinely think he's completely disgusted with it all, just like the previous 2 managers were. This fuck bunch are wasters who wanted an extended free holiday.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 30, 2020 23:04:29 GMT
We're fucked. We deserve to be fucked. What the fuck's happened to us? Ok there are many legacy issues with the squad and it was right imo to switch things around after Boro, but since lockdown Mick appears to have lost all traction with the players. Everyone else has got this so much righter than us: why?? If he can turn this round now he can probably walk across Westport Lake too. Otherwise we are deep, deep in it. At the business end of the season and we're worse than under Jones. 1 from me add * if you somehow managed to get in there I think we need to apply some logic Sal. If, say, Ward had improved his fitness immensely over lockdown, O'Niell would have been wise to pick him. I think the mess we see us a result of lockdown and the Allen injury. Our players took it as a holiday and came back with terrible attitudes and even worse fitness. He seems to have selected line ups and formations based on this, and tonight's comments reinforce that. The defensive outlook mirrors the lack of faith and attitude he's seen in the stars and in training etc. He's even started those points tonight too. I don't think this is on O'Niell, I genuinely think he's completely disgusted with it all, just like the previous 2 managers were. This fuck bunch are wasters who wanted an extended free holiday. Even more disgracefully, they were payed in full throughout lockdown without any mention of pay cuts or volunteering to veto a months salary like a lot of clubs were asking players to do. They make my piss boil, I hate them.
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Post by datguy on Jun 30, 2020 23:06:02 GMT
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Dreadful.
Gets a point though for being as blunt as he possibly could be in his post-match presser.
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Post by rorystowel on Jun 30, 2020 23:19:59 GMT
Team selection was as bafflingly barmy as anything under Jones, and I’d say it was right up there with the Coventry FA Cup match when Hughes started Ramadan Sobhi at left back. At least we showed some heart that dreadful day, because tonight’s performance was the most shameful surrender I can remember from a Stoke team.
The choice of subs was poor too. Why is Oakley Boothe suddenly out of contention after playing so well before lockdown? Why is Lee Gregory coming on ahead of Diouf?
The gutless players have to take most of the blame, but I can’t give MON more than zero for that tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 6:32:23 GMT
The line up was that bad I actually laughed!! A young centre half at right back, a left back from the care home, two of the worst midfielders I can remember us having. Clucas in a role off the striker which was bizzarre. And that wanker on the right of midfield. Absolutely zero pace, disjointed system, no quality. It was fucking abysmal.
That still doesn’t mean players shouldn’t give a fuck but the clearly don’t. That performance was up there with the brum at home many years ago for me when the directors box got stormed, if Wigan were actually any good they should have put 7 past us. It was just a good job they’re pretty poor and they also decided stroll around taking the piss and pirouetting!!
No doubt I’ll get another ban for speaking my mind but I seriously couldn’t give a fuck. This shit hole of a club has totally finished me off. They’re a fucking disgrace . And I really do wish Ince breaks his bastard neck in training... it couldn’t be his back as he’s a spineless twat
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Post by jarhead on Jul 1, 2020 9:01:15 GMT
The line up was that bad I actually laughed!! A young centre half at right back, a left back from the care home, two of the worst midfielders I can remember us having. Clucas in a role off the striker which was bizzarre. And that wanker on the right of midfield. Absolutely zero pace, disjointed system, no quality. It was fucking abysmal. That still doesn’t mean players shouldn’t give a fuck but the clearly don’t. That performance was up there with the brum at home many years ago for me when the directors box got stormed, if Wigan were actually any good they should have put 7 past us. It was just a good job they’re pretty poor and they also decided stroll around taking the piss and pirouetting!! No doubt I’ll get another ban for speaking my mind but I seriously couldn’t give a fuck. This shit hole of a club has totally finished me off. They’re a fucking disgrace . And I really do wish Ince breaks his bastard neck in training... it couldn’t be his back as he’s a spineless twat Spot on pal. Enough is enough now.
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Post by loosestools on Jul 1, 2020 9:05:51 GMT
🤔🤔 Can't think of a minus number big enough. See my post above mate.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 1, 2020 9:08:56 GMT
1 for hopefully passing on his virus (looks like he has already).
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 1, 2020 9:09:25 GMT
Yeah you have a sqaud of shite players that think they are the dogs bollocks and we lose the game based on the players desire, attitude, ability and generally making bad football decisions but you are right its on him🙃
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 1, 2020 9:13:42 GMT
0 A bunch of limited talent players bought by managers with the same level of talent who have secured their futures after being sacked by Stoke for being so unbelievably talentless. I really don't want to listen to anyone going on about Hughes or Pulis, when you think of the players they signed who gave us so much pleasure, we will never see the like again in my lifetime. Both deserved to go, but both provided us with sublime moments of pleasure It seems to me that your reasoning for a 0 is nothing to do with MON? I get it, he hasn’t come out of last night well but as you say this is a very poor squad and we were doomed to fail?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 9:52:46 GMT
Yeah you have a sqaud of shite players that think they are the dogs bollocks and we lose the game based on the players desire, attitude, ability and generally making bad football decisions but you are right its on him🙃 He had it sussed and thrown it all away.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 1, 2020 9:59:58 GMT
Yeah you have a sqaud of shite players that think they are the dogs bollocks and we lose the game based on the players desire, attitude, ability and generally making bad football decisions but you are right its on him🙃 He had it sussed and thrown it all away. Ah yes, nothing to do with the players performances, attitude or fitness levels. We aren’t privy to what goes on behind closed doors but he clearly has seen problems in the squad since returning. Sorry mate i can’t put much blame at his doorstep.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 10:04:12 GMT
He had it sussed and thrown it all away. Ah yes, nothing to do with the players performances, attitude or fitness levels. We aren’t privy to what goes on behind closed doors but he clearly has seen problems in the squad since returning. Sorry mate i can’t put much blame at his doorstep. Yes the players haven't been good enough, they weren't good enough before MON either, after a few games of the same crap he set it up to give them a chance and surprise surprise it started to actually work and they started to look decent enough to at least keep us up, he's changed it and shocker they look crap again, I really don't get how people can't see it. Edit, I'm not trying to defend the players, the squad, Scholes or whoever else I'm saying for the last three game O'Neill has been just as culpable as the rest of them.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 10:20:18 GMT
So O'Neill gets the blame for our poor pass completion rate (and we didn't even try any ambitious passes), our poor crossing, our inability to win any 50:50s or even to get first to any loose balls, for standing like statues waiting for the ball instead of going to meet it, for hardly winning any important headers, for Jack scoring an own goal and trying to throw another simple catch into the net himself, for wayward shooting and losing the ball in dangerous situations. Those are all things the manager can't influence. Whatever the tactics ALL professional players at whatever level should be doing those things. We are not talking about coaching kids.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 10:29:09 GMT
So O'Neill gets the blame for our poor pass completion rate (and we didn't even try any ambitious passes), our poor crossing, our inability to win any 50:50s or even to get first to any loose balls, for standing like statues waiting for the ball instead of going to meet it, for hardly winning any important headers, for Jack scoring an own goal and trying to throw another simple catch into the net himself, for wayward shooting and losing the ball in dangerous situations. Those are all things the manager can't influence. Whatever the tactics ALL professional players at whatever level should be doing those things. We are not talking about coaching kids. We knew they were crap at that, they were crap at that even when we were getting some results but we were getting some, we won't have a chance the way we were set up. And Butland has been like that for a loooong time, the manager is the one that keeps putting him in there to do it again.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 10:51:49 GMT
So O'Neill gets the blame for our poor pass completion rate (and we didn't even try any ambitious passes), our poor crossing, our inability to win any 50:50s or even to get first to any loose balls, for standing like statues waiting for the ball instead of going to meet it, for hardly winning any important headers, for Jack scoring an own goal and trying to throw another simple catch into the net himself, for wayward shooting and losing the ball in dangerous situations. Those are all things the manager can't influence. Whatever the tactics ALL professional players at whatever level should be doing those things. We are not talking about coaching kids. We knew they were crap at that, they were crap at that even when we were getting some results but we were getting some, we won't have a chance the way we were set up. And Butland has been like that for a loooong time, the manager is the one that keeps putting him in there to do it again. I actually thought Jack was much better from January onwards but has regressed over the break. He has returned to kicking the ball out and daisy cutters as well. As for results I think had we scored first against Reading or Middlesborough we would have won. We did win 50:50s, challenge for loose balls and cover for each other then probably because Allen was covering the cracks. As I keep saying the manager of a club at our level is not there to coach the basic skills required of any footballer. These players have already had that coaching at youth level. The fact that they don't do it shows a lack of effort, professionalism and respect. None of these should be a manager's responsibility. I don't expect my boss to keep coming and reminding me of what the basic requirements are of somebody in my position. I would be offend if he did.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 11:02:33 GMT
We knew they were crap at that, they were crap at that even when we were getting some results but we were getting some, we won't have a chance the way we were set up. And Butland has been like that for a loooong time, the manager is the one that keeps putting him in there to do it again. I actually thought Jack was much better from January onwards but has regressed over the break. He has returned to kicking the ball out and daisy cutters as well. As for results I think had we scored first against Reading or Middlesborough we would have won. We did win 50:50s, challenge for loose balls and cover for each other then probably because Allen was covering the cracks. As I keep saying the manager of a club at our level is not there to coach the basic skills required of any footballer. These players have already had that coaching at youth level. The fact that they don't do it shows a lack of effort, professionalism and respect. None of these should be a manager's responsibility. I don't expect my boss to keep coming and reminding me of what the basic requirements are of somebody in my position. I would be offend if he did. You're right he's not, they should already know that but he is there to put them in a position to maximise the best of what they have however little that may be, I don't think it is Allen particually but how can any of us know either why when he hasn't even tried to see if it would work without him he just straight up abandoned it without a ball being kicked and then when its shown his changes aren't working instead of sorting it out he starts to play a cb at rb and a left back that we all know really should have retired and an imobile forward left isolated up front on his own. I'm not disputing that the squad is fucked, I'm not saying the players are fantastic but he was getting a tune out of these players before he messed about with it, Powell was looking decent, Clucas was getting into scoring positions, Campbell was fireing we looked like a team, we still had faults, we still couldn't defend and we were still making mistakes but the results were coming and thats all we needed until the end of the season, inviting teams on to an already shambolic defence isn't the way to do it. If he had tried 4-2-3-1 in the first game or two without Allen and it clearly didn't work I'd understand the need to find a solution but this to me is all Jones esc.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 11:13:12 GMT
We don't know what he tried in training or in the matches v Derby. Perhaps what he saw then affected his team selections.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 11:17:16 GMT
We don't know what he tried in training or in the matches v Derby. Perhaps what he saw then affected his team selections. So revert back to what we all know definitely doesn't work, not the best idea in the world is it.
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Post by cdlstoke on Jul 1, 2020 11:17:18 GMT
0 shit.
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Post by mowlee on Jul 1, 2020 11:42:14 GMT
Go back too the attacking 4-3-3 like his first game in charge against Barnsley.. first form of defence is attack like Wigan last night Butland Smith Shawcross Batth Collins (Right footed but indi an ward are poo)
Ince Cousins Clucas
Cambell Diouf McLean
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jul 1, 2020 11:46:51 GMT
He’s going to need all the experience of managing Brechin and Shamrock now.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 1, 2020 12:41:41 GMT
We knew they were crap at that, they were crap at that even when we were getting some results but we were getting some, we won't have a chance the way we were set up. And Butland has been like that for a loooong time, the manager is the one that keeps putting him in there to do it again. I actually thought Jack was much better from January onwards but has regressed over the break. He has returned to kicking the ball out and daisy cutters as well. As for results I think had we scored first against Reading or Middlesborough we would have won. We did win 50:50s, challenge for loose balls and cover for each other then probably because Allen was covering the cracks. As I keep saying the manager of a club at our level is not there to coach the basic skills required of any footballer. These players have already had that coaching at youth level. The fact that they don't do it shows a lack of effort, professionalism and respect. None of these should be a manager's responsibility. I don't expect my boss to keep coming and reminding me of what the basic requirements are of somebody in my position. I would be offend if he did. That was To Mince’s seventy first game for us. I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next nutter on here. At this point I have to believe there is some form of clause in his contract that means MON has to start him. If so, it’s disgraceful, if not I would blame any manager that picked him to play in this Stoke team.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 3, 2020 13:37:28 GMT
We're fucked. We deserve to be fucked. What the fuck's happened to us? Ok there are many legacy issues with the squad and it was right imo to switch things around after Boro, but since lockdown Mick appears to have lost all traction with the players. Everyone else has got this so much righter than us: why?? If he can turn this round now he can probably walk across Westport Lake too. Otherwise we are deep, deep in it. At the business end of the season and we're worse than under Jones. 1 from me add * if you somehow managed to get in there I think we need to apply some logic Sal. If, say, Ward had improved his fitness immensely over lockdown, O'Niell would have been wise to pick him. I think the mess we see us a result of lockdown and the Allen injury. Our players took it as a holiday and came back with terrible attitudes and even worse fitness. He seems to have selected line ups and formations based on this, and tonight's comments reinforce that. The defensive outlook mirrors the lack of faith and attitude he's seen in the stats and in training etc. He's even started those points tonight too. I don't think this is on O'Niell, I genuinely think he's completely disgusted with it all, just like the previous 2 managers were. This fuck bunch are wasters who wanted an extended free holiday. Have you seen the No Bonuses thread? If true that might just have answered both our questions and wherever Mark Cartwright is at this moment I want to throw him in the bloody river
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 3, 2020 13:40:59 GMT
Zip.
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 3, 2020 13:55:36 GMT
Zip.... many of the players are clearly unfit, disinterested and ill prepared for the return. Let's not forget the decent form we were in pre lockdown. For them to become such a complete rabble reflects on the manager, which is a worry, what the hell was he and the coaching staff doing with them and monitoring them during lockdown? Answer seemingly fuck all
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