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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 17:30:35 GMT
I defend him to the hilt.
Think he did okay today apart from the second goal which absolutely killed us and cost us the game.
I just don't know what he was doing.
To not even dive or anticipate the shot is rank bad. It didn't even go right in the corner.
I don't want to say this, but id drop him.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 27, 2020 17:30:45 GMT
While he didn't make any obvious howling mistakes today, there's just an intangible sense of unsteadiness and frailty about him. An awfully high percentage of shots on target seem to go in these days. Some of that is down to dreadful defending in front of him giving away easy chances that allow opponents to place their shots in difficult places, but there definitely seems to be a lot of saveable shots going past him. That second goal today for example, while it wasn't an absolute howler you just know he'd have saved that back in 2015 or 2016. I don't think he gets his positioning or feet right either which makes it easy for opponents to get shots past him.
His command of the box too. He just never comes for anything and seems rooted to his line. It definitely plays a part in our weakness with crosses and set pieces.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 27, 2020 17:31:39 GMT
So that is an excuse for Chester losing his man again!? Certainly not Chester and Indi should be nowhere near the team I'm just saying Powell doesn't need to foul there, and they score from it. I agree Powell gave away some silly free kikcks today, but the ref was also willing to give the free kicks from nothing! I really felt he was very inconsistent, but that was not the reason why we lost the game!
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 27, 2020 17:32:14 GMT
To be positive, the bloke from Barnsley I've even forgotten his name !! Was in the team of the year in League one last season
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 27, 2020 17:33:46 GMT
To be positive, the bloke from Barnsley I've even forgotten his name !! Was in the team of the year in League one last season Might be good for next season.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jun 27, 2020 17:38:50 GMT
He appears to be a victim of price inflation for being English. When Jack was 'hot property', there were decent foreign keepers for 10m less than the touted 20m for Jack. Bournemouth or Villa could have bought him, but instead went for Boruc and Heaton, crapper keepers but more cost effective. I still blame Chris Smalling for the pointless, cowardly back pass from the half-way line v Germany that caught Jack unaware, causing him to turn his ankle in reaching to clear ball...
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 27, 2020 17:39:56 GMT
Certainly not Chester and Indi should be nowhere near the team I'm just saying Powell doesn't need to foul there, and they score from it. I agree Powell gave away some silly free kikcks today, but the ref was also willing to give the free kicks from nothing! I really felt he was very inconsistent, but that was not the reason why we lost the game! I thought the ref was poor, I also think had we gone 1-0 up we'd of won the game.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2020 17:42:26 GMT
While he didn't make any obvious howling mistakes today, there's just an intangible sense of unsteadiness and frailty about him. An awfully high percentage of shots on target seem to go in these days. Some of that is down to dreadful defending in front of him giving away easy chances that allow opponents to place their shots in difficult places, but there definitely seems to be a lot of saveable shots going past him. That second goal today for example, while it wasn't an absolute howler you just know he'd have saved that back in 2015 or 2016. I don't think he gets his positioning or feet right either which makes it easy for opponents to get shots past him. His command of the box too. He just never comes for anything and seems rooted to his line. It definitely plays a part in our weakness with crosses and set pieces. I think the biggest issue is his inhability to command the box this in itself must make his defenders nervous. He literally never seems to leave his line. He needs to go as much for himself he’s just got way to used to losing and it shows in his body language. K
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 27, 2020 17:47:05 GMT
I agree Powell gave away some silly free kikcks today, but the ref was also willing to give the free kicks from nothing! I really felt he was very inconsistent, but that was not the reason why we lost the game! I thought the ref was poor, I also think had we gone 1-0 up we'd of won the game. We'll never know, but we were probably even worse than the ref today!
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Post by robstokie on Jun 27, 2020 17:50:35 GMT
I defend him to the hilt. Think he did okay today apart from the second goal which absolutely killed us and cost us the game. I just don't know what he was doing. To not even dive or anticipate the shot is rank bad. It didn't even go right in the corner. I don't want to say this, but id drop him. Problem is, who would you replace him with? Neither Federici or Davies inspire any confidence either...
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 27, 2020 17:50:42 GMT
In fairness to Jack if I’d Chester in front of me I’d be shakey as fuck.
Must look out and think I’ve gone from Huth, prime Shawcross and even Wolly to an eclectic collection of castrated donkeys
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 27, 2020 17:51:30 GMT
He seems to me like he wants to be a “pretty” goalkeeper. Make the fancy saves, try the impossible passes when he kicks it and then not arsed about the ugly stuff. I can’t see him playing in the PL regularly again which seems unthinkable after his breakthrough. Probably one of the saddest things about our demise is Butland’s demise alongside it. He should have been bordering on top class, now he’s just another keeper who thinks he’s better than he is.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jun 27, 2020 17:55:46 GMT
Gone from Englands number one to possibly League One. As for their second, its 25 yards out and he makes zero attempt for it. You save 0% of shots you dont attempt to save.
Nowhere near being the best keeper in the second tier and we turned down £20m from Villa for him.
Seriously, if you're another club, could you justify more than £6m on him?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 17:56:09 GMT
I defend him to the hilt. Think he did okay today apart from the second goal which absolutely killed us and cost us the game. I just don't know what he was doing. To not even dive or anticipate the shot is rank bad. It didn't even go right in the corner. I don't want to say this, but id drop him. Problem is, who would you replace him with? Neither Federici or Davies inspire any confidence either... Davies for me.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 27, 2020 17:58:31 GMT
Problem is, who would you replace him with? Neither Federici or Davies inspire any confidence either... Davies for me. From the bit I’ve seen of Davies I would have McClean in goal instead
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Post by Robo10 on Jun 27, 2020 18:01:39 GMT
I'm not sure if I must have been seeing things but their second took a massive deflection off the utterly wank Chester and flew in the bottom corner - it was striaght down his throat otherwise
No chance with the first
That defence is fucking shambolic, from a disinterested and appalling BMI, 2 utterly garbage centre halves, Smith blows hot and cold but I screamed in disbelief the 77th time we had a throw in in their half and he threw it backwards and it ended up with Butland (why the fuck does any team do this from throws and free kicks - get it in the fucking oppo box!)
The midfield was shite - Thompson looks backwards all the time and kept mishitting 5 yard passes and putting us in trouble, Clucas wasnt on it at all, Sorenson isnt ready, we saw Cousins come on and be a liability, Powell tried but was niggly all day (he was fouled a lot early doors and got fuck all so took revenge himself..)
Tyrese bar one dribble did fuck all, McClean missed sitters all game
DESPITE ALL THAT we should have won that game 5-2!
So fucking annoyed.
Jack Butland was the least of my concerns
Surely Oakley-Booth must get a start?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 18:01:46 GMT
From the bit I’ve seen of Davies I would have McClean in goal instead McLean would be better in goal than he is at left back that's for sure.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 18:04:59 GMT
I think he's suffering PTSD - he needs a new club and quickly. Almost unbelievable what he's gone through since the heady days of saving Hazards penalty to beat Chelsea in the cup,playing season after season in the Prem and turning out for England ony to sustain a cruel injury and then bear witness to the rapid demise of the club post Hughes. Its a very sad tale. PTSD 😂 he's a leg waxing eyebrow plucking cushelle arse wiping pampered giant not a Royal fucking Marine.
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Post by loosestools on Jun 27, 2020 18:08:22 GMT
Jack is a good goalie. He is the last line of defence, the line of defence in front of him is absolutely rubbish, why should he keep on being knocked, his confidence must be pretty low , perhaps that why he was captain today. It probably had an adverse effect, nobody's confidence could be bolstered by that pathetic excuse for a team performance.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 27, 2020 18:09:24 GMT
I think he's suffering PTSD - he needs a new club and quickly. Almost unbelievable what he's gone through since the heady days of saving Hazards penalty to beat Chelsea in the cup,playing season after season in the Prem and turning out for England ony to sustain a cruel injury and then bear witness to the rapid demise of the club post Hughes. Its a very sad tale. PTSD 😂 he's a leg waxing eyebrow plucking cushelle arse wiping pampered giant not a Royal fucking Marine. don’t hold back fellah 😂😂 It’s true what you say but sudden and unexpected career collapse in any walk of life can do weird things to your mental well being ...
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 27, 2020 18:12:17 GMT
PTSD 😂 he's a leg waxing eyebrow plucking cushelle arse wiping pampered giant not a Royal fucking Marine. don’t hold back fellah 😂😂 It’s true what you say but sudden and unexpected career collapse in any walk of life can do weird things to your mental well being ... It helps if you're on umpteen £K a week when it happens though
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 18:14:24 GMT
I'm not sure if I must have been seeing things but their second took a massive deflection off the utterly wank Chester and flew in the bottom corner - it was striaght down his throat otherwise No chance with the first That defence is fucking shambolic, from a disinterested and appalling BMI, 2 utterly garbage centre halves, Smith blows hot and cold but I screamed in disbelief the 77th time we had a throw in in their half and he threw it backwards and it ended up with Butland (why the fuck does any team do this from throws and free kicks - get it in the fucking oppo box!) The midfield was shite - Thompson looks backwards all the time and kept mishitting 5 yard passes and putting us in trouble, Clucas wasnt on it at all, Sorenson isnt ready, we saw Cousins come on and be a liability, Powell tried but was niggly all day (he was fouled a lot early doors and got fuck all so took revenge himself..) Tyrese bar one dribble did fuck all, McClean missed sitters all game DESPITE ALL THAT we should have won that game 5-2! So fucking annoyed. Jack Butland was the least of my concerns Surely Oakley-Booth must get a start? From my sofa mate nobody touched the second they were nowhere near it. Jack has the agility of a beached whale..
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 27, 2020 18:36:13 GMT
Jack is a good goalie. He is the last line of defence, the line of defence in front of him is absolutely rubbish, why should he keep on being knocked, his confidence must be pretty low , perhaps that why he was captain today. It probably had an adverse effect, nobody's confidence could be bolstered by that pathetic excuse for a team performance. He was a good goalkeeper.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 27, 2020 18:41:09 GMT
Jack is a good goalie. He is the last line of defence, the line of defence in front of him is absolutely rubbish, why should he keep on being knocked, his confidence must be pretty low , perhaps that why he was captain today. It probably had an adverse effect, nobody's confidence could be bolstered by that pathetic excuse for a team performance. His performances this season have contributed massively to our current predicament. I’m not laying all the blame on his doorstep but he’s made about five seasons worth of glaring errors.
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Post by loosestools on Jun 27, 2020 18:47:05 GMT
Jack is a good goalie. He is the last line of defence, the line of defence in front of him is absolutely rubbish, why should he keep on being knocked, his confidence must be pretty low , perhaps that why he was captain today. It probably had an adverse effect, nobody's confidence could be bolstered by that pathetic excuse for a team performance. His performances this season have contributed massively to our current predicament. I’m not laying all the blame on his doorstep but he’s made about five seasons worth of glaring errors. I didn't think he has been that bad this year, were these gross errors in away games as I only recall a couple of whoppers in home games. (I may be just old and cant recall)
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 27, 2020 18:47:09 GMT
Did he really do an awful lot wrong today? With the goals no. But he doesn’t give the defence any confidence. There were a few times today when he needs to come out get the ball and boss situations, instead of standing there waving his arms about, shaking his head, shouting and absolving himself from any responsibility. He is the next Joe Hart. Sooner gone the better, instrumental in our downfall.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 27, 2020 18:51:43 GMT
I defend him to the hilt. Think he did okay today apart from the second goal which absolutely killed us and cost us the game. I just don't know what he was doing. To not even dive or anticipate the shot is rank bad. It didn't even go right in the corner. I don't want to say this, but id drop him. Did it not take a deflection?
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 27, 2020 18:52:43 GMT
He needs a move, still a good keeper there I’m certain
30 million will do if West Ham are reading this
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Post by neddy on Jun 27, 2020 19:01:47 GMT
Not at fault today....
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Post by badger1863 on Jun 27, 2020 19:37:39 GMT
I dont particularly think he was at fault today for the actual goals, however he doesn't seem to actually do anything well anymore. When he was in his prime a couple of years ago he was superb. He would make world class saves and instill a sense of confidence in his defence. Today he is simply a spectator with no command of the box and unable to make the quality saves that he used to make.
When he got picked for England he was miles ahead of Pickford but today I feel that he is a shadow of his former self.
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