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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2020 18:00:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:09:53 GMT
PP has answered fully, it's simply not anti-Semitic and she didn't even say it anyway. She was the last remaining shadow cabinet member with any genuine left wing voice and this is not the way to tackle this heinous Government. What actually pisses me off most though is Starmer's tacit support for the Tory response to covid, his failure to back some his own black back benchers and this morning, he couldn't even bring himself to say the Jenrick should be sacked. Yet he's prepared to play Billy Big Balls over this? It's pathetic, it's not opposition and will change nothing I want to see changed. Fuck 'em. In my opinion Sheik, Labour and/ or the left( and the fact we can't equate the two, says everything about "their" real prospects) went wrong when they failed to back Corbyn's genuine position on Brexit.....to do so might not have won them the election, but they would have been a lot nearer.....now it seems that they have the perennial in-fighting and the no win situation......which amounts to....even if they hsve a chance of winning the next election.....they are not the " left " anyway....it seems like the shambles will continue as a sideshow to the main event, but many will be happy to have a moan front the sides....the morally righteous. You’re going to have to stop talking in riddles fella and just cut to the chase of what you’re trying to say.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:11:51 GMT
Good strong leadership and doing exactly what's needed if you promise to eradicate anti-Semitism. The contrast with Bluffer's treatment of Cummings is stark. Earning big brownie points within the Jewish community. Ah the homogenous “Jewish community” Funny how when we debate racism on other threads there’s not a homogenous “black community”.....
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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 25, 2020 18:14:41 GMT
Caroline would have made a good Labour leader That was my biggest gripe with the article. If RLB agreed with the blame game stuff on why loads of Labour voters didn't turn up then she learned nothing.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 25, 2020 18:16:00 GMT
Or are you watching Corbyn you coward this is how you sort your party out Whos Corbyn? Exactly 😊
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Post by thevoid on Jun 25, 2020 18:18:46 GMT
Well done Starmer, get that Brillo pad out. Naz Shah next 👍
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 25, 2020 18:19:46 GMT
Earning big brownie points within the Jewish community. Ah the homogenous “Jewish community” Funny how when we debate racism on other threads there’s not a homogenous “black community”..... I’ve referred to the “black community” many times so I don’t know what you’re on about.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 25, 2020 18:30:40 GMT
It seems... Any criticism of Israel sees you labelled as an anti-Semite and Any criticism of Black Lives Matter sees you labelled as racist.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 18:33:48 GMT
In my opinion Sheik, Labour and/ or the left( and the fact we can't equate the two, says everything about "their" real prospects) went wrong when they failed to back Corbyn's genuine position on Brexit.....to do so might not have won them the election, but they would have been a lot nearer.....now it seems that they have the perennial in-fighting and the no win situation......which amounts to....even if they hsve a chance of winning the next election.....they are not the " left " anyway....it seems like the shambles will continue as a sideshow to the main event, but many will be happy to have a moan front the sides....the morally righteous. You’re going to have to stop talking in riddles fella and just cut to the chase of what you’re trying to say..... I'll try to simplify it for you a bit fella....Labour seem lost in the wilderness. The left are with them. Thats as simple as Corbyn's,( the ex great Labour leader's ) stance on Brexit and Starmer's Labour's policy on Brexit which helped to secure Boris a 80 seat majority. Or to simplify it a bit more.....the Left hate Labour, it's not looking good for either.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 18:56:11 GMT
How do you work that one out? PP has answered fully, it's simply not anti-Semitic and she didn't even say it anyway. She was the last remaining shadow cabinet member with any genuine left wing voice and this is not the way to tackle this heinous Government. What actually pisses me off most though is Starmer's tacit support for the Tory response to covid, his failure to back some his own black back benchers and this morning, he couldn't even bring himself to say the Jenrick should be sacked. Yet he's prepared to play Billy Big Balls over this? It's pathetic, it's not opposition and will change nothing I want to see changed.Fuck 'em. I thought you would have realised by now that you will never see the change you want to see.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2020 19:02:21 GMT
PP has answered fully, it's simply not anti-Semitic and she didn't even say it anyway. She was the last remaining shadow cabinet member with any genuine left wing voice and this is not the way to tackle this heinous Government. What actually pisses me off most though is Starmer's tacit support for the Tory response to covid, his failure to back some his own black back benchers and this morning, he couldn't even bring himself to say the Jenrick should be sacked. Yet he's prepared to play Billy Big Balls over this? It's pathetic, it's not opposition and will change nothing I want to see changed.Fuck 'em. I thought you would have realised by now that you will never see the change you want to see. And you so definitely deserve the Government you've got. You certainly deserve it 😀
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 19:19:22 GMT
I thought you would have realised by now that you will never see the change you want to see. And you so definitely deserve the Government you've got. You certainly deserve it 😀 And I shared it with you also, consider it a gift. You are welcome
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:22:40 GMT
PP has answered fully, it's simply not anti-Semitic and she didn't even say it anyway. She was the last remaining shadow cabinet member with any genuine left wing voice and this is not the way to tackle this heinous Government. What actually pisses me off most though is Starmer's tacit support for the Tory response to covid, his failure to back some his own black back benchers and this morning, he couldn't even bring himself to say the Jenrick should be sacked. Yet he's prepared to play Billy Big Balls over this? It's pathetic, it's not opposition and will change nothing I want to see changed.Fuck 'em. I thought you would have realised by now that you will never see the change you want to see. Here he is he’s back. Still waiting for you to show me the evidence of my anti-Semitism or retract your libellous statement.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:24:30 GMT
You’re going to have to stop talking in riddles fella and just cut to the chase of what you’re trying to say..... I'll try to simplify it for you a bit fella....Labour seem lost in the wilderness. The left are with them. Thats as simple as Corbyn's,( the ex great Labour leader's ) stance on Brexit and Starmer's Labour's policy on Brexit which helped to secure Boris a 80 seat majority. Or to simplify it a bit more.....the Left hate Labour, it's not looking good for either. I get your statement on your obsession Brexit. “The left hate Labour” is just fairly baffling, I’ve yet to see any evidence of Starmer being on “the left” for a start......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:25:30 GMT
It seems... Any criticism of Israel sees you labelled as an anti-Semite and Any criticism of Black Lives Matter sees you labelled as racist. And in fairness it wasn’t even particularly a criticism of Israel on this occasion more a statement of documented fact.....
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 19:30:03 GMT
I thought you would have realised by now that you will never see the change you want to see. Here he is he’s back. Still waiting for you to show me the evidence of my anti-Semitism or retract your libellous statement..... I have formed an opinion of you over a long a period of time (as I am sure you have of many posters) and I certainly don't feel the need to justify it! Feel free to attempt to sue me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:30:12 GMT
Ah the homogenous “Jewish community” Funny how when we debate racism on other threads there’s not a homogenous “black community”..... I’ve referred to the “black community” many times so I don’t know what you’re on about. Yep that “black community” with their one voice, and the “Jewish community” with their exact same views. That’s how it works......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:30:24 GMT
I'll try to simplify it for you a bit fella....Labour seem lost in the wilderness. The left are with them. Thats as simple as Corbyn's,( the ex great Labour leader's ) stance on Brexit and Starmer's Labour's policy on Brexit which helped to secure Boris a 80 seat majority. Or to simplify it a bit more.....the Left hate Labour, it's not looking good for either. I get your statement on your obsession Brexit. “The left hate Labour” is just fairly baffling, I’ve yet to see any evidence of Starmer being on “the left” for a start...... Exactly. Alongside Corbyn's leadership the stance on Brexit lost the election...and all credibility for the left and Labour in the electorate's eyes Its been the biggest political issue since the war.....pity that some of the Left/ Labour didn't become a bit more obsessed about it...even those paid to do so at MP level....have you heard Caroline Flint's explanation of why the election was lost? Anyway never mind, crack on , if the left and Labour can't see it I suppose they will get what they deserve.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 25, 2020 19:32:40 GMT
A lot of military and policing unarmed combat moves come from Krav Maga which is definitely Israeli. Ive Just started doing that as it goes.... Well intense and achting like a bastard but really enjoyable
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:32:57 GMT
Here he is he’s back. Still waiting for you to show me the evidence of my anti-Semitism or retract your libellous statement..... I have formed an opinion of you over a long a period of time (as I am sure you have of many posters) and I certainly don't feel the need to justify it! Feel free to attempt to sue me. You’re a coward is what you are fella. A faceless coward. You specifically called me antisemitic, and said I’d never experienced a moments racism in my life despite that not being true as half my family are Burmese and have suffered just that at times. You haven’t even got the bollocks to acknowledge you may have been off the mark with your assertion.......
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Post by chad on Jun 25, 2020 19:33:49 GMT
Starmers seen his chance to rid himself of an extreme left winger and he’s taken it Good on him Now let’s see him kick out all the momentum bunch and who knows Labour may well have a real chance of forming a Government one day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:39:02 GMT
I get your statement on your obsession Brexit. “The left hate Labour” is just fairly baffling, I’ve yet to see any evidence of Starmer being on “the left” for a start...... Exactly. Alongside Corbyn's leadership the stance on Brexit lost the election...and all credibility for the left and Labour in the electorate's eyes Its been the biggest political issue since the war.....pity that some of the Left/ Labour didn't become a bit more obsessed about it...even those paid to do so at MP level....have you heard Caroline Flint's explanation of why the election was lost? Anyway never mind, crack on , if the left and Labour can't see it I suppose they will get what they deserve. I know exactly why Labour lost over Brexit - I predicted the outcome as it unfolded it was fairly obvious, you appear to be asking me to reflect on it though for some bizarre reason?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:39:25 GMT
I’ve referred to the “black community” many times so I don’t know what you’re on about. Yep that “black community” with their one voice, and the “Jewish community” with their exact same views. That’s how it works...... Seems like Labour ( and the Left in the form.of McDonell ) are now drawing attention to their anti semitic problem....Good political astuteness, most of the electorate aren't interested, (but the media are).....but they are interested in Brecit....political naivety
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:43:00 GMT
Yep that “black community” with their one voice, and the “Jewish community” with their exact same views. That’s how it works...... Seems like Labour ( and the Left in the form.of McDonell ) are now drawing attention to their anti semitic problem....Good political astuteness, most of the electorate aren't interested, (but the media are).....but they are interested in Brecit....political naivety Actually most people are past caring about Brexit John, I know you’re obsessed with it but it’s hardly mentioned in most circles these days.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:43:16 GMT
Exactly. Alongside Corbyn's leadership the stance on Brexit lost the election...and all credibility for the left and Labour in the electorate's eyes Its been the biggest political issue since the war.....pity that some of the Left/ Labour didn't become a bit more obsessed about it...even those paid to do so at MP level....have you heard Caroline Flint's explanation of why the election was lost? Anyway never mind, crack on , if the left and Labour can't see it I suppose they will get what they deserve. I know exactly why Labour lost over Brexit - I predicted the outcome as it unfolded it was fairly obvious, you appear to be asking me to reflect on it though for some bizarre reason? I'm not asking you to reflect on anything, just responding to your comment about obsession with Brexit ( the obsession of politics for the past 5 years, not just mine)...totally relevant to the predicament that Labour and the Left have got themselves into now in terms of electability...as is the Long Bailey issue
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2020 19:44:46 GMT
Seems like Labour ( and the Left in the form.of McDonell ) are now drawing attention to their anti semitic problem....Good political astuteness, most of the electorate aren't interested, (but the media are).....but they are interested in Brecit....political naivety Actually most people are past caring about Brexit John, I know you’re obsessed with it but it’s hardly mentioned in most circles these days..... I think that you are wrong, but not recogniding its importance does illustrate why Labour have lost touch...crack.on.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jun 25, 2020 19:44:52 GMT
I have formed an opinion of you over a long a period of time (as I am sure you have of many posters) and I certainly don't feel the need to justify it! Feel free to attempt to sue me. You’re a coward is what you are fella. A faceless coward. You specifically called me antisemitic, and said I’d never experienced a moments racism in my life despite that not being true as half my family are Burmese and have suffered just that at times. You haven’t even got the bollocks to acknowledge you may have been off the mark with your assertion....... Oooh look at you giving it the big one on the internet. Can you quote me specifically calling you antisemitic? It's an internet forum, we are all faceless on here are we not or are you really Steve Coogan?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:45:00 GMT
PP has answered fully, it's simply not anti-Semitic and she didn't even say it anyway. She was the last remaining shadow cabinet member with any genuine left wing voice and this is not the way to tackle this heinous Government. What actually pisses me off most though is Starmer's tacit support for the Tory response to covid, his failure to back some his own black back benchers and this morning, he couldn't even bring himself to say the Jenrick should be sacked. Yet he's prepared to play Billy Big Balls over this? It's pathetic, it's not opposition and will change nothing I want to see changed.Fuck 'em. I thought you would have realised by now that you will never see the change you want to see. To be fair I suspect this applies to all but a fraction of a percent of the population.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:45:00 GMT
I know exactly why Labour lost over Brexit - I predicted the outcome as it unfolded it was fairly obvious, you appear to be asking me to reflect on it though for some bizarre reason? I'm not asking you to reflect on anything, just responding to your comment about obsession with Brexit ( the obsession of politics for the past 5 years, not just mine)...totally relevant to the predicament that Labour and the Left have got themselves into now in terms of electability...as is the Long Bailey issue You brought Brexit onto a RLB thread fella, but then I suspect you’d shoehorn Brexit into a chat about the weather......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 19:46:06 GMT
You’re a coward is what you are fella. A faceless coward. You specifically called me antisemitic, and said I’d never experienced a moments racism in my life despite that not being true as half my family are Burmese and have suffered just that at times. You haven’t even got the bollocks to acknowledge you may have been off the mark with your assertion....... Oooh look at you giving it the big one on the internet. Can you quote me specifically calling you antisemitic? It's an internet forum, we are all faceless on here are we not or are you really Steve Coogan? I’m not giving it the big one fella, I’m asking you to have the courage of your conviction and back up your claims or withdraw. It’s not difficult......
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