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Post by Timmypotter on Jun 20, 2020 7:53:57 GMT
Is there any point in this thread anymore? Literally none. There's no nuanced debate to be had on political threads recently. My favourite thread from the last few weeks was about hoovers - there seemed little chance of being accused of being a racist apologist on there (although I have seen Henry the Hoover throwing his arm in the air in a very questionable manner a few times). Admittedly on this thread there have been a few posts which I think contain pre-conceptions based on race. However, nothing for which I'd condemn a poster as being overtly and wilfully racist. The problem is it's impossible to challenge these posts properly as by the time you'd have put a response together that poster would already have been accused of being a racist or a nazi. You don't win arguments or change minds that way. Or maybe I'm the worst example of silence is violence. Either way, I await in anticipation my point being proved in response to this post.
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Post by dexta on Jun 20, 2020 8:01:10 GMT
Your right wing racism is extremely 'on trend' right now. Ok So your not willing to bring it back on topic then..... Right you are kiddy fiddler.... see this insult chucking is easy innit you and momo having a spat is all well and good but to say are you a kiddy fiddler... Is out of order no matter what each other as said
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 20, 2020 8:10:50 GMT
You are losing again Mo. have you considered why you are always in the minority ? I ask again have you been subjected to racism in the past ?, your anger is consuming you seek help mate before it ruins your life The minority Have you seen the extremely small group of vile racists who like your posts and those who you like. It's like clockwork. An attempted cloak of decency, masking the utter rotten filth inside.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 20, 2020 8:20:32 GMT
Join the club Dutch I’ve had the same and I find it incredibly insulting. Like your good self I only put my opinions on board and don’t expect everyone to agree with them but I’d challenge anyone to find one racist comment that I’ve made. Momo I’m not for a minute asking for an apology but you really need to think about what your accusing people of. I can honestly say that all I’ve seen on this thread is opinion. I’ve not seen one racist comment. Some of the stuff you post is highly insulting. For someone who clearly thinks a great deal about human rights it doesn’t seem to be in your mind when your throwing around accusations and insulting opinions of various posters. Load of balls. This thread is littered with subtle and literal racism and black racist tropes have been used in the last few pages. If you can't see it, that really is not my fault. All this whilst clinging to divisive whataboutery to lamely justify itself I'm glad you're not asking for an apology because you're certainly not getting one. There is a lot of sly racism on many threads. A good tell tale sign is when an incident like what happened to George Floyd, the thread gets littered with posts from people looking for as many videos of Black people beating up a white person as they can. What about what this black person did to a white person? or this one? It seems to become a mad scramble to play down what happened. 'I'm just putting this up to see what your thoughts are of this or that'. I find a lot of messages have racist intent. You can see it straight from the angle people post their views. Although they try to hide it the best they can you can definitely see it. They are not as good as think they are. I don't personally go around calling people racists but I do see them. When people come up against someone as passionate as you they take a more hardened stance. The measures they take to try and prove you wrong does make them easier to spot.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 20, 2020 8:28:46 GMT
Load of balls. This thread is littered with subtle and literal racism and black racist tropes have been used in the last few pages. If you can't see it, that really is not my fault. All this whilst clinging to divisive whataboutery to lamely justify itself I'm glad you're not asking for an apology because you're certainly not getting one. There is a lot of sly racism on many threads. A good tell tale sign is when an incident like what happened to George Floyd, the thread gets littered with posts from people looking for as many videos of Black people beating up a white person as they can. What about what this black person did to a white person? or this one? It seems to become a mad scramble to play down what happened. 'I'm just putting this up to see what your thoughts are of this or that'. I find a lot of messages have racist intent. You can see it straight from the angle people post their views. Although they try to hide it the best they can you can definitely see it. They are not as good as think they are. I don't personally go around calling people racists but I do see them. When people come up against someone as passionate as you they take a more hardened stance. The measures they take to try and prove you wrong does make them easier to spot. Excellent post and good summary. This board has always been prone to threads which sail very close to the wind on race issues. They come and they go, but they're always there, more or less. The one that sticks in my mind recently is the Cultural Enrichment thread (aka the I Hate Muslims thread) which was basically just a place for posters who you've described carefully and accurately above to practise exactly what you've highlighted above. It was a cesspit and the place is all the better for its disappearance. It's telling that many of the regulars on that thread are also on the same 'side' of the 'debate' (the word used in its loosest possible way!) on here, minimising the legitimacy of the black community's concerns, maximising and supporting the 'cause' of those arguing against any action the black community takes to promote their concerns.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 20, 2020 8:35:43 GMT
Load of balls. This thread is littered with subtle and literal racism and black racist tropes have been used in the last few pages. If you can't see it, that really is not my fault. All this whilst clinging to divisive whataboutery to lamely justify itself I'm glad you're not asking for an apology because you're certainly not getting one. There is a lot of sly racism on many threads. A good tell tale sign is when an incident like what happened to George Floyd, the thread gets littered with posts from people looking for as many videos of Black people beating up a white person as they can. What about what this black person did to a white person? or this one? It seems to become a mad scramble to play down what happened. 'I'm just putting this up to see what your thoughts are of this or that'. I find a lot of messages have racist intent. You can see it straight from the angle people post their views. Although they try to hide it the best they can you can definitely see it. They are not as good as think they are. I don't personally go around calling people racists but I do see them. When people come up against someone as passionate as you they take a more hardened stance. The measures they take to try and prove you wrong does make them easier to spot. There is nothing wrong with being passionate about a subject the world is better for it There is nothing wrong with holding different opinions There is often more than one way to approach a problem There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with people's views That is a basic right What is wrong is to resort to insults and accusations It cheapens the argument and is unnecessary
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 20, 2020 8:43:00 GMT
There is a lot of sly racism on many threads. A good tell tale sign is when an incident like what happened to George Floyd, the thread gets littered with posts from people looking for as many videos of Black people beating up a white person as they can. What about what this black person did to a white person? or this one? It seems to become a mad scramble to play down what happened. 'I'm just putting this up to see what your thoughts are of this or that'. I find a lot of messages have racist intent. You can see it straight from the angle people post their views. Although they try to hide it the best they can you can definitely see it. They are not as good as think they are. I don't personally go around calling people racists but I do see them. When people come up against someone as passionate as you they take a more hardened stance. The measures they take to try and prove you wrong does make them easier to spot. There is nothing wrong with being passionate about a subject the world is better for it There is nothing wrong with holding different opinions There is often more than one way to approach a problem There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with people's views That is a basic right What is wrong is to resort to insults and accusations It cheapens the argument and is unnecessary Correct and the more accusation are thrown about the more people respond in kind which is exactly what's going on check to see who throws the most insults and abuse about and theres the problem some might not like it but its true, its constant and based on opinion not fact. You reap what you sow... Edit: a classic example 1 poster throwing accusations about was publically asked by admin to show evidence of the accusation and he dissapeard immediately. Then when he thinks people have forgot comes back with "I cant be bothered to look for the evidence" even though he said it was all the time so it should be easy to find. But shock horror it's all been deleted and gone😂 now if I'd been humiliated in public and exposed as a liar I'd spend all day to prove my point. That's the issue it's made up accusations and if its said enough its believed (by some) and it just goes full circle back to where we started.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Jun 20, 2020 9:08:28 GMT
Ok So your not willing to bring it back on topic then..... Right you are kiddy fiddler.... see this insult chucking is easy innit you and momo having a spat is all well and good but to say are you a kiddy fiddler... Is out of order no matter what each other as said It shut the fucker up though, might make him think twice before throwing his accusations towards those that dare to challenge his one sided vision of the world. He’ll retreat to his James O’Brien autobiography, change his tampon and come back as narcissistic as he was before.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 20, 2020 9:09:48 GMT
you and momo having a spat is all well and good but to say are you a kiddy fiddler... Is out of order no matter what each other as said It shut the fucker up though, might make him think twice before throwing his accusations towards those that dare to challenge his one sided vision of the world. He’ll retreat to his James O’Brien autobiography, change his tampon and come back as narcissistic as he was before. Spot on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2020 9:20:19 GMT
you and momo having a spat is all well and good but to say are you a kiddy fiddler... Is out of order no matter what each other as said It shut the fucker up though, might make him think twice before throwing his accusations towards those that dare to challenge his one sided vision of the world. He’ll retreat to his James O’Brien autobiography, change his tampon and come back as narcissistic as he was before. Another fucking idiot trivialising child abuse. Liked by ex copper Franklin as well. Interesting
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 20, 2020 9:27:24 GMT
It shut the fucker up though, might make him think twice before throwing his accusations towards those that dare to challenge his one sided vision of the world. He’ll retreat to his James O’Brien autobiography, change his tampon and come back as narcissistic as he was before. Another fucking idiot trivialising child abuse. Liked by ex copper Franklin as well. Interesting Who's trivialising another unfounded accusation I'm agreeing with the shuting you up throwing accusations about. Where have I done any such thing I'll make you a deal prove your point and I'll delete my account in return you do the same if you cant. So show everyone where I've trivialsied child abuse and I'll gladly delete my account today.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 20, 2020 9:32:43 GMT
Who's trivialising another unfounded accusation I'm agreeing with the shuting you up throwing accusations about. Where have I done any such thing I'll make you a deal prove your point and I'll delete my account in return you do the same if you cant. So show everyone where I've trivialsied child abuse and I'll gladly delete my account today. Your filthy right wing mates called me a kiddy fiddler, his filthy right wing mate just doubled up, you supported him. You trivialise child abuse, you sad, pathetic piece of shit. Clear enough? Boom gone.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 20, 2020 9:32:47 GMT
Your right wing racism is extremely 'on trend' right now. Ok So your not willing to bring it back on topic then..... Right you are kiddy fiddler.... see this insult chucking is easy innit Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2020 9:33:45 GMT
Your filthy right wing mates called me a kiddy fiddler, his filthy right wing mate just doubled up, you supported him. You trivialise child abuse, you sad, pathetic piece of shit. Clear enough? Boom gone. Boom trivialising child abuse. Ex plod as well. Truly startling.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 20, 2020 9:37:38 GMT
Is there any point in this thread anymore? Literally none. There's no nuanced debate to be had on political threads recently. My favourite thread from the last few weeks was about hoovers - there seemed little chance of being accused of being a racist apologist on there (although I have seen Henry the Hoover throwing his arm in the air in a very questionable manner a few times). Admittedly on this thread there have been a few posts which I think contain pre-conceptions based on race. However, nothing for which I'd condemn a poster as being overtly and wilfully racist. The problem is it's impossible to challenge these posts properly as by the time you'd have put a response together that poster would already have been accused of being a racist or a nazi. You don't win arguments or change minds that way. Or maybe I'm the worst example of silence is violence. Either way, I await in anticipation my point being proved in response to this post. Spot on
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 20, 2020 9:38:18 GMT
There is a lot of sly racism on many threads. A good tell tale sign is when an incident like what happened to George Floyd, the thread gets littered with posts from people looking for as many videos of Black people beating up a white person as they can. What about what this black person did to a white person? or this one? It seems to become a mad scramble to play down what happened. 'I'm just putting this up to see what your thoughts are of this or that'. I find a lot of messages have racist intent. You can see it straight from the angle people post their views. Although they try to hide it the best they can you can definitely see it. They are not as good as think they are. I don't personally go around calling people racists but I do see them. When people come up against someone as passionate as you they take a more hardened stance. The measures they take to try and prove you wrong does make them easier to spot. There is nothing wrong with being passionate about a subject the world is better for it There is nothing wrong with holding different opinions There is often more than one way to approach a problem There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with people's views That is a basic right What is wrong is to resort to insults and accusations It cheapens the argument and is unnecessary I completely agree about abuse. Not necessary and counter effective anyway. Yes, its obviously ok having opinions and expressing however there is absolutely no chance of any kind of progressive debate on racism on this forum The bog standards to any debate on racism are predominantly based on 3 responses a) Fuck off, who are you calling a racist?...complete denial...as soon as someone starts a sentence with I'm not a racist......you just know where it is going, seems to be a complete open license to express anything however prejudiced and it usually is, followed by a demand for an apology for anyone who then suggests it is racist. Mock morality!! b) Post a picture of black person doing something bad, as if that disqualifies and makes redundant any basis for a discussion on any misjustices or inequalities and this bizarre idea that black people, or those pointing out incidents of racist behaviour are hypocritical in asking for equality because some blacks do 'bad' things! c) only loony lefties and communists are interested in anti-racism. Well I can bring in my BAME family in on that one if anyone is interested. Not that any BAME person in their right mind would want to be part of this forum!!!
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 20, 2020 9:38:19 GMT
Boom trivialising child abuse. Ex plod as well. Truly startling. You really are the most abusive idiot accusation throwing troll on this board and you 100% deserve to be banned permanently. You abuse more people than all the rest put together, you're nasty,personal and have zero credibility. Delete your account before you implode literally nobody wants you around here.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Jun 20, 2020 9:40:32 GMT
Who's trivialising another unfounded accusation I'm agreeing with the shuting you up throwing accusations about. Where have I done any such thing I'll make you a deal prove your point and I'll delete my account in return you do the same if you cant. So show everyone where I've trivialsied child abuse and I'll gladly delete my account today. Your filthy right wing mates called me a kiddy fiddler, his filthy right wing mate just doubled up, you supported him. You trivialise child abuse, you sad, pathetic piece of shit. Clear enough? Maybe it’s time you fucked off to your Twitter echo chamber if you can’t play nicely. The only fucking idiot trivialising anything is yourself by accusing anybody and everybody of being a racist who opposes your dogshit ideology.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2020 9:40:41 GMT
Boom trivialising child abuse. Ex plod as well. Truly startling. You really are the most abusive idiot accusation throwing troll on this board and you 100% deserve to be banned permanently. You abuse more people than all the rest put together, you're nasty,personal and have zero credibility. Delete your account before you implode literally nobody wants you around here. Ex plod using paedophilia as a weapon on a messageboard and then trying to take the moral high ground. You are disgusting.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2020 9:42:10 GMT
Your filthy right wing mates called me a kiddy fiddler, his filthy right wing mate just doubled up, you supported him. You trivialise child abuse, you sad, pathetic piece of shit. Clear enough? Maybe it’s time you fucked off to your Twitter echo chamber if you can’t play nicely. The only fucking idiot trivialising anything is yourself by accusing anybody and everybody of being a racist who opposes your dogshit ideology. Another right wing goon using paedophilia as an insult because they've lost an argument. Lovely people.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 20, 2020 9:43:16 GMT
Who's trivialising another unfounded accusation I'm agreeing with the shuting you up throwing accusations about. Where have I done any such thing I'll make you a deal prove your point and I'll delete my account in return you do the same if you cant. So show everyone where I've trivialsied child abuse and I'll gladly delete my account today. Your filthy right wing mates called me a kiddy fiddler, his filthy right wing mate just doubled up, you supported him. You trivialise child abuse, you sad, pathetic piece of shit. Clear enough? More personal abuse of another poster pretty sure the message board rules don't allow that, just how do you keep getting away with it ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2020 9:45:44 GMT
Your filthy right wing mates called me a kiddy fiddler, his filthy right wing mate just doubled up, you supported him. You trivialise child abuse, you sad, pathetic piece of shit. Clear enough? More personal abuse of another poster pretty sure the message board rules don't allow that, just how do you keep getting away with it ? That's cute from a racist lost cause like you who trivialises paedophilia.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Jun 20, 2020 9:45:59 GMT
Maybe it’s time you fucked off to your Twitter echo chamber if you can’t play nicely. The only fucking idiot trivialising anything is yourself by accusing anybody and everybody of being a racist who opposes your dogshit ideology. Another right wing goon using paedophilia as an insult because they've lost an argument. Lovely people. The ironic thing is the left wing establishment that you have pledged your life to have been trivialising and covering up child abuse for decades. Maybe Dutch has hit a bit of raw nerve there.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 20, 2020 9:46:40 GMT
There is nothing wrong with being passionate about a subject the world is better for it There is nothing wrong with holding different opinions There is often more than one way to approach a problem There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with people's views That is a basic right What is wrong is to resort to insults and accusations It cheapens the argument and is unnecessary I completely agree about abuse. Not necessary and counter effective anyway. Yes, its obviously ok having opinions and expressing however there is absolutely no chance of any kind of progressive debate on racism on this forum The bog standards to any debate on racism are predominantly based on 3 responses a) Fuck off, who are you calling a racist?...complete denial...as soon as someone starts a sentence with I'm not a racist......you just know where it is going, seems to be a complete open license to express anything however prejudiced and it usually is, followed by a demand for an apology for anyone who then suggests it is racist. Mock morality!! b) Post a picture of black person doing something bad, as if that disqualifies and makes redundant any basis for a discussion on any misjustices or inequalities and this bizarre idea that black people, or those pointing out incidents of racist behaviour are hypocritical in asking for equality because some blacks do 'bad' things! c) only loony lefties and communists are interested in anti-racism. Well I can bring in my BAME family in on that one if anyone is interested. Not that any BAME person in their right mind would want to be part of this forum!!! Well number three is counter productive is it not No BAME person in there right mind Are you accusing any bame person who posts on this forum of not being of sound mind I personally don't know the colour or nationality or gender of anyone who posts on this forum and don't need to know Or want to know as all people are equal Even if I on the odd (often) occasion I disagree with them
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 20, 2020 9:46:59 GMT
You really are the most abusive idiot accusation throwing troll on this board and you 100% deserve to be banned permanently. You abuse more people than all the rest put together, you're nasty,personal and have zero credibility. Delete your account before you implode literally nobody wants you around here. Ex plod using paedophilia as a weapon on a messageboard and then trying to take the moral high ground. You are disgusting. I'm using nothing but your own abuse to expose why you should be deleted from this board. You pulled me into this by name should I just ignore you or should I fight my corner. All civil, all reasoned even offered you a delete deal. Abusive, nasty, negative thug.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 9:47:18 GMT
There is a lot of sly racism on many threads. A good tell tale sign is when an incident like what happened to George Floyd, the thread gets littered with posts from people looking for as many videos of Black people beating up a white person as they can. What about what this black person did to a white person? or this one? It seems to become a mad scramble to play down what happened. 'I'm just putting this up to see what your thoughts are of this or that'. I find a lot of messages have racist intent. You can see it straight from the angle people post their views. Although they try to hide it the best they can you can definitely see it. They are not as good as think they are. I don't personally go around calling people racists but I do see them. When people come up against someone as passionate as you they take a more hardened stance. The measures they take to try and prove you wrong does make them easier to spot. There is nothing wrong with being passionate about a subject the world is better for it There is nothing wrong with holding different opinions There is often more than one way to approach a problem There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with people's views That is a basic right What is wrong is to resort to insults and accusations It cheapens the argument and is unnecessary Correct. What I will say though is the “Cultural Enrichment” thread absolutely became an anti-Muslim thread. 100%. It became a dumping ground for certain individuals prejudices. I’ve been openly called an antisemite by at least 3 regular posters now with zero evidence to back it up, one just a couple of nights ago by some coward who logged straight off when I asked him to put up or shut up. It was reported to admin, I’ve heard nothing......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2020 9:48:04 GMT
Another right wing goon using paedophilia as an insult because they've lost an argument. Lovely people. The ironic thing is the left wing establishment that you have pledged your life to have been trivialising and covering up child abuse for decades. Maybe Dutch has hit a bit of raw nerve there. You are right wing filth. Trivialising child abuse. Congratulations.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 20, 2020 9:48:43 GMT
Ex plod using paedophilia as a weapon on a messageboard and then trying to take the moral high ground. You are disgusting. I'm using nothing but your own abuse to expose why you should be deleted from this board. You pulled me into this by name should I just ignore you or should I fight my corner. All civil, all reasoned even offered you a delete deal. Abusive, nasty, negative thug. Ex plod trivialising child abuse. Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 9:50:05 GMT
Another right wing goon using paedophilia as an insult because they've lost an argument. Lovely people. The ironic thing is the left wing establishment that you have pledged your life to have been trivialising and covering up child abuse for decades. Maybe Dutch has hit a bit of raw nerve there. It’s a total crock of shit to suggest someone that identifies as being on the left, the right, in the centre or wherever would condone child abuse or anything as abhorrent as that.....
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 20, 2020 9:50:50 GMT
I'm using nothing but your own abuse to expose why you should be deleted from this board. You pulled me into this by name should I just ignore you or should I fight my corner. All civil, all reasoned even offered you a delete deal. Abusive, nasty, negative thug. Ex plod trivialising child abuse. Disgusting. Press ctl alt del you're stuck again.
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