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Post by lordb on May 4, 2024 20:13:25 GMT
If Labour had a hugely popular leader how many more seats would they win?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 20:13:53 GMT
It would take the biggest swing of all time for Labour to win any majority, let alone a massive one. I predict a small majority which would be a monumental win for Labour given where we were the days after the 2019 election. Completely unforeseeable. Everyone was saying a a decade of Johnson government! Labour and Starmer may not be super popular, but they are obviously doing something right. They won’t win a majority if they only get the same voters as at the last election. Yes they will if they get the same voters as last time. Tories will stay away or vote Reform. I predict min 80 seat majority, and some huge Tory casualties, even Rishi is not safe If that happens it will be the most impressive general election win of all time.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on May 4, 2024 20:45:16 GMT
Yes they will if they get the same voters as last time. Tories will stay away or vote Reform. I predict min 80 seat majority, and some huge Tory casualties, even Rishi is not safe If that happens it will be the most impressive general election win of all time. Or least impressive, depending how you view it.
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Post by gawa on May 4, 2024 20:48:07 GMT
Gaza has sent some of the traditional Labour vote to the green party of all places, my favourite response to the original tweet is this one about 'Melissa': I'm loving the idea that Palestine will finally taste freedom through a series of council meetings held across West Yorkshire. "First issue on the agenda is the potholes on King Street. Second is to address the rumoured shortage of flat caps, whippets and themed tea pots. After that, if there's time and enough broken biscuits left, then we'll eradicate the Zionists" /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1786706524095520877¤tTweetUser=RadioGenoa Can the same not be said about Ukraine? Only difference is we've also taken in a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian refugees and spent billions of our tax payers money on it. We've had 2.5x more Ukranian refugees come over our border these last 2 years than we've had asylum seekers. And fuck knows how many billions are being spent in Israel as well as how many of those refugees Will end up here too. So personally I think our foreign policy is rather important and I'd rather spend the money on people in this country than spend it blowing up other countries and eventually then having the people we are blowing up rocking up on these shores too.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 4, 2024 20:55:53 GMT
I'm loving the idea that Palestine will finally taste freedom through a series of council meetings held across West Yorkshire. "First issue on the agenda is the potholes on King Street. Second is to address the rumoured shortage of flat caps, whippets and themed tea pots. After that, if there's time and enough broken biscuits left, then we'll eradicate the Zionists" /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1786706524095520877¤tTweetUser=RadioGenoa Can the same not be said about Ukraine? Only difference is we've also taken in a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian refugees and spent billions of our tax payers money on it. We've had 2.5x more Ukranian refugees come over our border these last 2 years than we've had asylum seekers. And fuck knows how many billions are being spent in Israel as well as how many of those refugees Will end up here too. So personally I think our foreign policy is rather important and I'd rather spend the money on people in this country than spend it blowing up other countries and eventually then having the people we are blowing up rocking up on these shores too. Presumably, neither “illegal immigrants” or Ukrainian refugees have voted in any election either 😂
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Post by mrnovember on May 4, 2024 21:05:51 GMT
I'm loving the idea that Palestine will finally taste freedom through a series of council meetings held across West Yorkshire. "First issue on the agenda is the potholes on King Street. Second is to address the rumoured shortage of flat caps, whippets and themed tea pots. After that, if there's time and enough broken biscuits left, then we'll eradicate the Zionists" /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1786706524095520877¤tTweetUser=RadioGenoa Can the same not be said about Ukraine? Only difference is we've also taken in a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian refugees and spent billions of our tax payers money on it. We've had 2.5x more Ukranian refugees come over our border these last 2 years than we've had asylum seekers. And fuck knows how many billions are being spent in Israel as well as how many of those refugees Will end up here too. So personally I think our foreign policy is rather important and I'd rather spend the money on people in this country than spend it blowing up other countries and eventually then having the people we are blowing up rocking up on these shores too. I'm not sure I follow sorry. Ignore the tweet itself, it was the video I was posting, I just couldn't be arsed to find it anywhere else. The point I was making was related to voting local councillors in on thier foreign policies. It's not really in thier remit is it.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 4, 2024 21:09:18 GMT
If that happens it will be the most impressive general election win of all time. Or least impressive, depending how you view it. Achieving a record breaking swing would be the least impressive election win of all time? Please explain why.
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Post by gawa on May 4, 2024 21:39:56 GMT
Can the same not be said about Ukraine? Only difference is we've also taken in a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian refugees and spent billions of our tax payers money on it. We've had 2.5x more Ukranian refugees come over our border these last 2 years than we've had asylum seekers. And fuck knows how many billions are being spent in Israel as well as how many of those refugees Will end up here too. So personally I think our foreign policy is rather important and I'd rather spend the money on people in this country than spend it blowing up other countries and eventually then having the people we are blowing up rocking up on these shores too. I'm not sure I follow sorry. Ignore the tweet itself, it was the video I was posting, I just couldn't be arsed to find it anywhere else. The point I was making was related to voting local councillors in on thier foreign policies. It's not really in thier remit is it. I was referring to your comment about gaza being sorted because of council elections. I just don't really get the point. Pretty sure a labour source was also quoted implying they didn't win as many seats due to gaza too. The reason I don't get it is the same outlets which blame labour maybe not winning as many seats due to their gaza position are the same outlets which predict the snp to lose alot of their votes - and they've been the most vocal gaza supporters. The media also keeps telling us that Galloway only won because of Gaza. If that was all about Gaza then why did only 4 council seats go to workers party? Surely they should have got more. People aren't voting for labour and Conservative for many reasons - economy, inequality, housing, health etc.. it's not just about gaza. Plus in 2017 and 2019 the general election was based on our foreign relations with the EU and also Corbyns foreign policies... And then again Russia. What fucking good has that done us? Impacting food prices and gas/oil prices. Costing billions. And resulting in a couple hundred thousand refugees. And those ukranian refugees have us paying £500 A MONTH to people hosting them. Plus immediately they were all entitled to housing benefit, pip, universal credit - the full shabang. Other asylum seekers aren't getting that or costing anywhere near as much. Foreign policy impacts us all and it should play a part in our decision making. It's only an issue when people don't agree with the establishments position. And why it would affect me when it comes to local elections. Local elections are for local issues. If I lived in a ward where the majority of us want Israel condemned. And if the MP elected to represent us doesn't condemn them because their party says not to. Then they're putting their parties interests before their voters. So how can I trust them to fight for us on other issues? If labour national exec say no then they'll say no. Party before constituents. I'd want a representative who I can trust to back those who voted them in and their interests. Not a representative who will only back us when leadership 100s of miles away allows - they're not local. That's my take and that's why I think independants made some of the biggest gains because what you see is what you get.
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Post by mrnovember on May 4, 2024 21:43:37 GMT
I'm not sure I follow sorry. Ignore the tweet itself, it was the video I was posting, I just couldn't be arsed to find it anywhere else. The point I was making was related to voting local councillors in on thier foreign policies. It's not really in thier remit is it. I was referring to your comment about gaza being sorted because of council elections. I just don't really get the point. Pretty sure a labour source was also quoted implying they didn't win as many seats due to gaza too. The reason I don't get it is the same outlets which blame labour maybe not winning as many seats due to their gaza position are the same outlets which predict the snp to lose alot of their votes - and they've been the most vocal gaza supporters. The media also keeps telling us that Galloway only won because of Gaza. If that was all about Gaza then why did only 4 council seats go to workers party? Surely they should have got more. People aren't voting for labour and Conservative for many reasons - economy, inequality, housing, health etc.. it's not just about gaza. Plus in 2017 and 2019 the general election was based on our foreign relations with the EU and also Corbyns foreign policies... And then again Russia. What fucking good has that done us? Impacting food prices and gas/oil prices. Costing billions. And resulting in a couple hundred thousand refugees. And those ukranian refugees have us paying £500 A MONTH to people hosting them. Plus immediately they were all entitled to housing benefit, pip, universal credit - the full shabang. Other asylum seekers aren't getting that or costing anywhere near as much. Foreign policy impacts us all and it should play a part in our decision making. It's only an issue when people don't agree with the establishments position. And why it would affect me when it comes to local elections. Local elections are for local issues. If I lived in a ward where the majority of us want Israel condemned. And if the MP elected to represent us doesn't condemn them because their party says not to. Then they're putting their parties interests before their voters. So how can I trust them to fight for us on other issues? If labour national exec say no then they'll say no. Party before constituents. That's my take. For fucks sake, I just thought it was amusing to be honest.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on May 5, 2024 7:47:23 GMT
Or least impressive, depending how you view it. Achieving a record breaking swing would be the least impressive election win of all time? Please explain why. Its probably going to be the lowest turnout in living memory. Traditional Tory voters, like myself, feel so disappointed with our party that we cant vote for them, but could never do the unthinkable and vote Labour. Whereas traditional Labour voters will vote for their party, not because of Wishy Washy, or because of their policies ( if they actually announce any...) but because they are desperate to get rid of the Tories. The Labour vote will grow Percenrage wise, but in terms of actual ticks in boxes will be pretty much the same as last time.. I am seriously considering voting Reform, but it depends on who stands here in Mid Staffs, and if others do the same this will hand power to Captain Indecisive..
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 8:03:41 GMT
Achieving a record breaking swing would be the least impressive election win of all time? Please explain why. Its probably going to be the lowest turnout in living memory. Traditional Tory voters, like myself, feel so disappointed with our party that we cant vote for them, but could never do the unthinkable and vote Labour. Whereas traditional Labour voters will vote for their party, not because of Wishy Washy, or because of their policies ( if they actually announce any...) but because they are desperate to get rid of the Tories. The Labour vote will grow Percenrage wise, but in terms of actual ticks in boxes will be pretty much the same as last time.. I am seriously considering voting Reform, but it depends on who stands here in Mid Staffs, and if others do the same this will hand power to Captain Indecisive.. I guess we will have to see.
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Post by gawa on May 5, 2024 10:14:22 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 5, 2024 10:47:46 GMT
Gaza has sent some of the traditional Labour vote to the green party of all places, my favourite response to the original tweet is this one about 'Melissa': I'm loving the idea that Palestine will finally taste freedom through a series of council meetings held across West Yorkshire. "First issue on the agenda is the potholes on King Street. Second is to address the rumoured shortage of flat caps, whippets and themed tea pots. After that, if there's time and enough broken biscuits left, then we'll eradicate the Zionists" /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1786706524095520877¤tTweetUser=RadioGenoa He sounds a delightful character:
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Post by knype on May 5, 2024 11:09:53 GMT
I'm loving the idea that Palestine will finally taste freedom through a series of council meetings held across West Yorkshire. "First issue on the agenda is the potholes on King Street. Second is to address the rumoured shortage of flat caps, whippets and themed tea pots. After that, if there's time and enough broken biscuits left, then we'll eradicate the Zionists" /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1786706524095520877¤tTweetUser=RadioGenoa He sounds a delightful character: Yep, obviously has mental health issues
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Post by gawa on May 5, 2024 18:26:35 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on May 5, 2024 20:07:28 GMT
Sad state of affairs is that Captain Wishy Washy will win not because of his policies, or his appeal to the electorate, but because it is very much an anti Tory election. And rank and file Tories wont necessarily vote for Labour, but will stay away. Couple that with a diluted Tory vote due to reform and there is only one outcome. HUGE...And I mean fookin mahooooosive Labour majority, and history has told us a huge majority is never a good thing. It would take the biggest swing of all time for Labour to win any majority, let alone a massive one. I predict a small majority which would be a monumental win for Labour given where we were the days after the 2019 election. Completely unforeseeable. Everyone was saying a a decade of Johnson government! Labour and Starmer may not be super popular, but they are obviously doing something right. They won’t win a majority if they only get the same voters as at the last election. The downfall of the SNP, the way the Lib-Dems are performing, and the Reform Party will be the only reasons Labour get a majority. Many traditional Labour members (me included) resigned from the party after Starmer & Co stabbed Corbyn in the back. The way Starmer is going and the way he's defaulted on most of his election promises, including not raising taxes for the rich, plus the fact that the Tories will leave Labour footing the bill for billions over the blood scandal could mean 5 more years of austerity and massive cuts to public services. The only thing he's got going for him is that his Labour party isn't a right-wing Tory one. OS.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 20:11:08 GMT
It would take the biggest swing of all time for Labour to win any majority, let alone a massive one. I predict a small majority which would be a monumental win for Labour given where we were the days after the 2019 election. Completely unforeseeable. Everyone was saying a a decade of Johnson government! Labour and Starmer may not be super popular, but they are obviously doing something right. They won’t win a majority if they only get the same voters as at the last election. The downfall of the SNP, the way the Lib-Dems are performing, and the Reform Party will be the only reasons Labour get a majority. Many traditional Labour members (me included) resigned from the party after Starmer & Co stabbed Corbyn in the back. The way Starmer is going and the way he's defaulted on most of his election promises, including not raising taxes for the rich, plus the fact that the Tories will leave Labour footing the bill for billions over the blood scandal could mean 5 more years of austerity and massive cuts to public services. The only thing he's got going for him is that his Labour party isn't a right-wing Tory one. OS. He is yet to make an election promise. His manifesto isn’t out yet. No party will have ever achieved anything close to what labour will have done if they win a majority, and that is under Starmer’s leadership.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 5, 2024 20:56:32 GMT
The downfall of the SNP, the way the Lib-Dems are performing, and the Reform Party will be the only reasons Labour get a majority. Many traditional Labour members (me included) resigned from the party after Starmer & Co stabbed Corbyn in the back. The way Starmer is going and the way he's defaulted on most of his election promises, including not raising taxes for the rich, plus the fact that the Tories will leave Labour footing the bill for billions over the blood scandal could mean 5 more years of austerity and massive cuts to public services. The only thing he's got going for him is that his Labour party isn't a right-wing Tory one. OS. He is yet to make an election promise. His manifesto isn’t out yet. No party will have ever achieved anything close to what labour will have done if they win a majority, and that is under Starmer’s leadership. Binface could be in charge and they would win. All Starmer has to do is not implode. No sex offences against children and he is set. Labour winning has very little to do with Labour being good enough.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 5, 2024 21:32:57 GMT
He is yet to make an election promise. His manifesto isn’t out yet. No party will have ever achieved anything close to what labour will have done if they win a majority, and that is under Starmer’s leadership. Binface could be in charge and they would win. All Starmer has to do is not implode. No sex offences against children and he is set. Labour winning has very little to do with Labour being good enough. And it will set a record.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 6, 2024 11:10:22 GMT
Binface could be in charge and they would win. All Starmer has to do is not implode. No sex offences against children and he is set. Labour winning has very little to do with Labour being good enough. And it will set a record. Records without context are not that impressive. If the Tories were somewhat competent and Starmer were to win big based on his ability to engage with the public, then fair enough. If people are simply voting Labour through lack of choice while Tory voters stay home, then that’s not really anything to brag about. Biden received a record voter turnout. It had little to do with him though.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 11:31:09 GMT
And it will set a record. Records without context are not that impressive. If the Tories were somewhat competent and Starmer were to win big based on his ability to engage with the public, then fair enough. If people are simply voting Labour through lack of choice while Tory voters stay home, then that’s not really anything to brag about. Biden received a record voter turnout. It had little to do with him though. I agree. The context was that on 13 December 2019 we were facing a decade or so of Tory governance with Johnson in power with a big majority. I agree Starmer isn’t hugely popular or doing an awful lot, but he doesn’t have to. Play the hand you are dealt. And he has done so well so far. He has skilfully turned the Labour party into something inoffensive and no longer devisive. That is despite endless attacks by the press and tories to undermine him. Obvious Corbyn fans will be unhappy about that but that’s what it took. Labour isn’t popular, but it is electable. Corbyn wasn’t electable but had very loyal followers who loved him, but not enough to win, and general elections are entirely about winning. With first past the post, you need to be electable, not necessarily popular. Like Blair, not like Miliband, like Cameron, not like corbyn.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 6, 2024 13:04:41 GMT
How can the BBC go into a General Election with a Political Editor that blatantly displays such bias?
If you didn't know who she was, you'd think she was a spokesperson for the Tory party, she doesn't even try to hide it anymore ...
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 6, 2024 14:18:58 GMT
The downfall of the SNP, the way the Lib-Dems are performing, and the Reform Party will be the only reasons Labour get a majority. Many traditional Labour members (me included) resigned from the party after Starmer & Co stabbed Corbyn in the back. The way Starmer is going and the way he's defaulted on most of his election promises, including not raising taxes for the rich, plus the fact that the Tories will leave Labour footing the bill for billions over the blood scandal could mean 5 more years of austerity and massive cuts to public services. The only thing he's got going for him is that his Labour party isn't a right-wing Tory one. OS. He is yet to make an election promise. His manifesto isn’t out yet. No party will have ever achieved anything close to what labour will have done if they win a majority, and that is under Starmer’s leadership. He's waiting for his orders www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13386393/Muslim-vote-list-demands-Keir-Starmer-Labour-Gaza-Palestine.html
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Post by cvillestokie on May 6, 2024 15:45:42 GMT
😂 doubtful. Starmer has been pathetically weak when it comes to Gaza.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 17:09:54 GMT
😂 doubtful. Starmer has been pathetically weak when it comes to Gaza. No more so than most.
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2024 17:35:58 GMT
😂 doubtful. Starmer has been pathetically weak when it comes to Gaza. No more so than most. It's true to say he's the same as nearly all UK politicians re Gaza but it's fair to criticise him for the one eyed stance
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Post by andystokey on May 6, 2024 18:31:33 GMT
How can the BBC go into a General Election with a Political Editor that blatantly displays such bias? If you didn't know who she was, you'd think she was a spokesperson for the Tory party, she doesn't even try to hide it anymore ... I'm still trying to fathom why she invited the irrelevant Cruella onto Sunday's show just to launch into an insane tirade.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 18:35:24 GMT
How can the BBC go into a General Election with a Political Editor that blatantly displays such bias? If you didn't know who she was, you'd think she was a spokesperson for the Tory party, she doesn't even try to hide it anymore ... I'm still trying to fathom why she invited the irrelevant Cruella onto Sunday's show just to launch into an insane tirade. Nobody watching that can have possibly thought anything other than Braverman is an absolute lunatic though.
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Post by andystokey on May 6, 2024 18:39:24 GMT
I'm still trying to fathom why she invited the irrelevant Cruella onto Sunday's show just to launch into an insane tirade. Nobody watching that can have possibly thought anything other than Braverman is an absolute lunatic though. I don't disagree but why did she choose her to come on and then let her spout?. Tommy Robinson, Nick Griffin or Jeremy Corbyn can't get a gig.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 6, 2024 18:44:00 GMT
Nobody watching that can have possibly thought anything other than Braverman is an absolute lunatic though. I don't disagree but why did she choose her to come on and then let her spout?. Tommy Robinson, Nick Griffin or Jeremy Corbyn can't get a gig. Braverman is one of the group of plotters trying to overthrow the PM. I’d rather never hear from her or the likes of her again. But she could have made headlines.
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