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Post by BristolMick on Mar 24, 2020 23:21:26 GMT
He's been extremely lucky considering how limited his talent is. His talent is effort. His limits are skills. He's found wanting in many respects; I've never really paid much attention to him before he joined us, but I can see in his 20 months for us that he can't defend, he can't tackle, he has zero positional sense when he strays from the wing, he struggles to find a team mate when he crosses. But he does run non stop and it would appear that even in the 21st century this more than satisfies managers and fans. Running just isn't a football skill... He may have won plenty of Irish caps but would he ever have gotten into an England team? (disregarding of course that that's the very last thing he would ever want to, but we could ask, would he ever have played for Germany, Spain, Italy, Norway, France, Portugal? There probably was a time when he could have gotten into Norway's team, but not now). Must have imagined him beating defenders, putting many excellent crosses in (literally more crosses than any other player in the division, yes some are shit but equally some are excellent), must have imagined him being an absolute menace to the opposition at times. He'd get in Norway's squad for sure, have you seen their side lately? One superstar aside they are really poor. If he just ran about (and nothing else) not one Stoke fan would accept him never mind consider him a key player. At this level he's perfectly decent. We've missed him when he's not played. This absolute refusal to see what's in front of your eyes is pitiful. Pitiful it certainly is and probably has more to do with Poppies than football. BM
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 16:33:39 GMT
He's been extremely lucky considering how limited his talent is. His talent is effort. His limits are skills. He's found wanting in many respects; I've never really paid much attention to him before he joined us, but I can see in his 20 months for us that he can't defend, he can't tackle, he has zero positional sense when he strays from the wing, he struggles to find a team mate when he crosses. But he does run non stop and it would appear that even in the 21st century this more than satisfies managers and fans. Running just isn't a football skill... He may have won plenty of Irish caps but would he ever have gotten into an England team? (disregarding of course that that's the very last thing he would ever want to, but we could ask, would he ever have played for Germany, Spain, Italy, Norway, France, Portugal? There probably was a time when he could have gotten into Norway's team, but not now). What do so many managers see in him that you don’t? He’s been pretty much universally praised by every manager he’s played under. That doesn’t suggest luck to me. It suggests a fella who’s made the very most of the ability he has by demonstrating outstanding commitment. Seems we agree. He's made the very most of his extremely limited ability.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 16:38:38 GMT
Must have imagined him beating defenders, putting many excellent crosses in (literally more crosses than any other player in the division, yes some are shit but equally some are excellent), must have imagined him being an absolute menace to the opposition at times. He'd get in Norway's squad for sure, have you seen their side lately? One superstar aside they are really poor. If he just ran about (and nothing else) not one Stoke fan would accept him never mind consider him a key player. At this level he's perfectly decent. We've missed him when he's not played. This absolute refusal to see what's in front of your eyes is pitiful. Pitiful it certainly is and probably has more to do with Poppies than football. BM Has nothing to do with Poppies. I care nothing about what went on in the bygone wars. So you're the "pitiful"... If anything I sympathise with the Irish, although not with the paramilitary units. Neither one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 16:44:48 GMT
He's been extremely lucky considering how limited his talent is. His talent is effort. His limits are skills. He's found wanting in many respects; I've never really paid much attention to him before he joined us, but I can see in his 20 months for us that he can't defend, he can't tackle, he has zero positional sense when he strays from the wing, he struggles to find a team mate when he crosses. But he does run non stop and it would appear that even in the 21st century this more than satisfies managers and fans. Running just isn't a football skill... He may have won plenty of Irish caps but would he ever have gotten into an England team? (disregarding of course that that's the very last thing he would ever want to, but we could ask, would he ever have played for Germany, Spain, Italy, Norway, France, Portugal? There probably was a time when he could have gotten into Norway's team, but not now). Must have imagined him beating defenders, putting many excellent crosses in (literally more crosses than any other player in the division, yes some are shit but equally some are excellent), must have imagined him being an absolute menace to the opposition at times. He'd get in Norway's squad for sure, have you seen their side lately? One superstar aside they are really poor. If he just ran about (and nothing else) not one Stoke fan would accept him never mind consider him a key player. At this level he's perfectly decent. We've missed him when he's not played. This absolute refusal to see what's in front of your eyes is pitiful. Sure we really, really missed him when we played Hull. Or maybe we played that much better because so much didnt get wasted. Unlike most I haven't forgotten his early season performances or last season when he was dire. He played out of position? So what, many other wingers have been able to tackle and cover at the back, but not McClean.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 25, 2020 19:31:24 GMT
After O'Neill came in he has been a different player in my opinion! Under Jones I couldn't wait to get rid!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 19:37:51 GMT
After O'Neill came in he has been a different player in my opinion! Under Jones I couldn't wait to get rid! Could say re any player under Jones. McClean been tremendous since MON came in but some with their blinkered views will never admit it but so what? Just makes them look foolish
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2020 20:55:01 GMT
Must have imagined him beating defenders, putting many excellent crosses in (literally more crosses than any other player in the division, yes some are shit but equally some are excellent), must have imagined him being an absolute menace to the opposition at times. He'd get in Norway's squad for sure, have you seen their side lately? One superstar aside they are really poor. If he just ran about (and nothing else) not one Stoke fan would accept him never mind consider him a key player. At this level he's perfectly decent. We've missed him when he's not played. This absolute refusal to see what's in front of your eyes is pitiful. Sure we really, really missed him when we played Hull. Or maybe we played that much better because so much didnt get wasted. Unlike most I haven't forgotten his early season performances or last season when he was dire. He played out of position? So what, many other wingers have been able to tackle and cover at the back, but not McClean. He can definitely tackle. His awareness was the key element lacking which was so damaging. Him being no good at fullback is a rubbish argument. Matthews, Conroy, Chamberlain,Etherington,Hoekstra, Arnoutivic, all would have been shit at full back. He's a good,at this level,winger.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 25, 2020 22:44:03 GMT
Must have imagined him beating defenders, putting many excellent crosses in (literally more crosses than any other player in the division, yes some are shit but equally some are excellent), must have imagined him being an absolute menace to the opposition at times. He'd get in Norway's squad for sure, have you seen their side lately? One superstar aside they are really poor. If he just ran about (and nothing else) not one Stoke fan would accept him never mind consider him a key player. At this level he's perfectly decent. We've missed him when he's not played. This absolute refusal to see what's in front of your eyes is pitiful. Sure we really, really missed him when we played Hull. Or maybe we played that much better because so much didnt get wasted. Unlike most I haven't forgotten his early season performances or last season when he was dire. He played out of position? So what, many other wingers have been able to tackle and cover at the back, but not McClean. He got more shit than he deserved when he was playing wing back, not because he was out of position but because he wasn't as bad as most made out but for reason some were hell bent on blaming him for every goal we conceded. But as you say he's made the most out of limited ability but thats far from luck, John Walters did the same and was loved for it.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 26, 2020 0:41:28 GMT
What do so many managers see in him that you don’t? He’s been pretty much universally praised by every manager he’s played under. That doesn’t suggest luck to me. It suggests a fella who’s made the very most of the ability he has by demonstrating outstanding commitment. Seems we agree. He's made the very most of his extremely limited ability. No we don’t agree. A player of limited ability does not play as consistently at the top level as McLean has.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 26, 2020 12:44:51 GMT
After O'Neill came in he has been a different player in my opinion! Under Jones I couldn't wait to get rid! Could say re any player under Jones. McClean been tremendous since MON came in but some with their blinkered views will never admit it but so what? Just makes them look foolish I think he was one of the worst under Jones, never suited for the wing back at all!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 14:28:24 GMT
Sure we really, really missed him when we played Hull. Or maybe we played that much better because so much didnt get wasted. Unlike most I haven't forgotten his early season performances or last season when he was dire. He played out of position? So what, many other wingers have been able to tackle and cover at the back, but not McClean. He's a good,at this level,winger. That's exactly what I said above. Good enough for bottom third. His level precisely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 14:33:07 GMT
Seems we agree. He's made the very most of his extremely limited ability. No we don’t agree. A player of limited ability does not play as consistently at the top level as McLean has. He's never played at top level.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 26, 2020 16:12:57 GMT
Huh?
International and Premier League.
What’s that?
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 26, 2020 16:27:26 GMT
No we don’t agree. A player of limited ability does not play as consistently at the top level as McLean has. He's never played at top level. Huh? International and Premier League. What’s that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 17:08:00 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2020 17:56:54 GMT
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Post by wrightspies on Mar 26, 2020 18:09:59 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The blokes scum.
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Post by daz2631 on Mar 26, 2020 18:49:15 GMT
This is really going help with every other set of fans in the country hating him anyway and I can see where they are coming from
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 26, 2020 19:01:27 GMT
Notice they have only posted the top half the picture, there is more to it before people jump up and down and start crying again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 19:03:00 GMT
He’s always said judge him by his performances on the pitch. And fair dos the lad has played well and up there for player of the season. However these are the exact reasons I absolutely detest him. I can never take to him because of this. I’m embarrassed he’s part of this club
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Post by stantheman on Mar 26, 2020 19:10:45 GMT
The photo is likely to have been taken by his wife, which makes the whole thing even more stupid and baffling. Apparently the photograph was only in the public domain for a very short period of time.
I hope MON and the club take some serious action against him, as he is is a paid employee of a company which he is bringing into disrepute - not for the first time.
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Post by RAF on Mar 26, 2020 19:18:16 GMT
Huh? International and Premier League. What’s that? So did Carlton Palmer and a whole raft of extremely limited players. H
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 26, 2020 20:48:11 GMT
Huh? International and Premier League. What’s that? So did Carlton Palmer and a whole raft of extremely limited players. H It doesn’t change the fact that it’s top level. Which was the point I was making.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 21:11:15 GMT
Notice they have only posted the top half the picture, there is more to it before people jump up and down and start crying again You'll have to explain that one to me mate. All you have to do is click on the photo and it opens up, and you then see that it is even worse than it appears at first glance.
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Post by samba :) on Mar 26, 2020 21:11:44 GMT
Horrible little british bitch
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Post by samba :) on Mar 26, 2020 21:13:54 GMT
Im sure hes got some sort of mental disorder
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Post by RAF on Mar 26, 2020 21:46:42 GMT
So did Carlton Palmer and a whole raft of extremely limited players. H It doesn’t change the fact that it’s top level. Which was the point I was making. No but you did say ' A player of limited ability does not play as consistently at the top level as McLean has.' Which isn't actually the case in fact it's quite common. H
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Mar 26, 2020 21:51:19 GMT
"Finally kids,we'll conclude today's history lesson by administering what's known as a punishment kneecapping to your father,as you watch on absolutely horrified..."
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 26, 2020 22:04:34 GMT
Meh.
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Post by neckender78 on Mar 26, 2020 22:17:40 GMT
Absolute idiot, sooner we can be rid of him the better. Firstly quoting a convicted terrorist while posting a picture of himself in our clubs shirt and now this... Am sure he finds this amusing well myself and many many Stoke fans do not find it so. He asks for respect for his beliefs and then does things like this. Well James I hope you can now respect the beliefs of many British football fans including many of your own
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