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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2020 12:24:45 GMT
Just giving my opinion on the issue. It's more important that " we" decide than taking our " fair share". Whi decides the " fair share"? What do you do with those who have been rejected for asylum, say, and still try to come in illegally either across the Channel, through the Tunnel or otherwise? You don't always get the type of answer that you want. The German's have agreed to take 1,500 so that's a decent starting point. With that in mind what would you deem to be "our fair share?" As I've said, I would not deem to say. What about the rest who want to come illegally?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:29:31 GMT
The German's have agreed to take 1,500 so that's a decent starting point. With that in mind what would you deem to be "our fair share?" As I've said, I would not deem to say. What about the rest who want to come illegally? I'm not talking about them John. I'm talking specifically about the 12,000 refugees who have been made homeless after their camp was destroyed by a fire. The rest is for another debate. So bearing in mind this tragedy - and the fact that for many people it's the "illegal crossing" by dinghy that is the issue - I'm simply asking should we follow the German lead and take our share (whatever that may be) through the proper, humanitarian channels. It's a fairly simple question John.........
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2020 13:04:12 GMT
As I've said, I would not deem to say. What about the rest who want to come illegally? I'm not talking about them John. I'm talking specifically about the 12,000 refugees who have been made homeless after their camp was destroyed by a fire. The rest is for another debate. So bearing in mind this tragedy - and the fact that for many people it's the "illegal crossing" by dinghy that is the issue - I'm simply asking should we follow the German lead and take our share (whatever that may be) through the proper, humanitarian channels. It's a fairly simple question John......... I misunderstand you then Prestwich. My fault. My specific answer is...I don't know. I don't know a lot about the fire, how it started, who is in the camp, how they got there and why. We need to be careful not to encourage more fires. I don't know what the answer is to the refugee/ immigration crisis.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2020 7:11:50 GMT
I'm not talking about them John. I'm talking specifically about the 12,000 refugees who have been made homeless after their camp was destroyed by a fire. The rest is for another debate. So bearing in mind this tragedy - and the fact that for many people it's the "illegal crossing" by dinghy that is the issue - I'm simply asking should we follow the German lead and take our share (whatever that may be) through the proper, humanitarian channels. It's a fairly simple question John......... I misunderstand you then Prestwich. My fault. My specific answer is...I don't know. I don't know a lot about the fire, how it started, who is in the camp, how they got there and why. We need to be careful not to encourage more fires. I don't know what the answer is to the refugee/ immigration crisis. I wonder if they all had their id paperwork destroyed in this unfortunate fire
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 16, 2020 16:54:16 GMT
I misunderstand you then Prestwich. My fault. My specific answer is...I don't know. I don't know a lot about the fire, how it started, who is in the camp, how they got there and why. We need to be careful not to encourage more fires. I don't know what the answer is to the refugee/ immigration crisis. I wonder if they all had their id paperwork destroyed in this unfortunate fire Probably. What with it being PAPERwork. I'm reliably informed by experts that fire beats paper.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 17:58:48 GMT
I wonder if they all had their id paperwork destroyed in this unfortunate fire Probably. What with it being PAPERwork. I'm reliably informed by experts that fire beats paper. I can confirm that. My kids are often playing fire, paper, scissors....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 18:00:10 GMT
I'm not talking about them John. I'm talking specifically about the 12,000 refugees who have been made homeless after their camp was destroyed by a fire. The rest is for another debate. So bearing in mind this tragedy - and the fact that for many people it's the "illegal crossing" by dinghy that is the issue - I'm simply asking should we follow the German lead and take our share (whatever that may be) through the proper, humanitarian channels. It's a fairly simple question John......... I misunderstand you then Prestwich. My fault. My specific answer is...I don't know. I don't know a lot about the fire, how it started, who is in the camp, how they got there and why. We need to be careful not to encourage more fires. I don't know what the answer is to the refugee/ immigration crisis. “We need to be careful not to encourage more fires” I’m sure the 12,000 will take solace from that John. But thanks for the honest answer......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 16, 2020 18:03:39 GMT
I misunderstand you then Prestwich. My fault. My specific answer is...I don't know. I don't know a lot about the fire, how it started, who is in the camp, how they got there and why. We need to be careful not to encourage more fires. I don't know what the answer is to the refugee/ immigration crisis. “We need to be careful not to encourage more fires” I’m sure the 12,000 will take solace from that John. But thanks for the honest answer...... I don't think that they will read my post on a Football messageboard and I would not have thought that they would particularly care about it , one way or another. Its not about me....or you
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2020 19:34:16 GMT
I wonder if they all had their id paperwork destroyed in this unfortunate fire Probably. What with it being PAPERwork. I'm reliably informed by experts that fire beats paper. Do you not think there is anything even slightly suspect that these poor oppressed people all loose their id before entering the UK illegally or do you think it's a coincidence
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 16, 2020 20:36:49 GMT
Probably. What with it being PAPERwork. I'm reliably informed by experts that fire beats paper. Do you not think there is anything even slightly suspect that these poor oppressed people all loose their id before entering the UK illegally or do you think it's a coincidence No, it's probably not a coincidence. If I was attempting to get into another country as a refugee I probably wouldn't carry papers with me - that's common sense. However, it wouldn't be a coincidence for the 12,000 people that were living in that camp - as if they did have papers I don't believe they would be fire-resistant.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 16, 2020 21:01:41 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2020 21:16:59 GMT
Do you not think there is anything even slightly suspect that these poor oppressed people all loose their id before entering the UK illegally or do you think it's a coincidence No, it's probably not a coincidence. If I was attempting to get into another country as a refugee I probably wouldn't carry papers with me - that's common sense. However, it wouldn't be a coincidence for the 12,000 people that were living in that camp - as if they did have papers I don't believe they would be fire-resistant. "No, it's probably not a coincidence" no fcuking shit Sherlock these poor downtrodden single males who somehow manage to raise £5k to enter the UK illegally are obviously coming to the UK as the benefits to them far outweigh any they can get in any other "safe" country in Europe, no papers no entry no asylum claims immediate deportation without any right to appeal no id no history simple.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 16, 2020 21:20:57 GMT
No, it's probably not a coincidence. If I was attempting to get into another country as a refugee I probably wouldn't carry papers with me - that's common sense. However, it wouldn't be a coincidence for the 12,000 people that were living in that camp - as if they did have papers I don't believe they would be fire-resistant. "No, it's probably not a coincidence" no fcuking shit Sherlock these poor downtrodden single males who somehow manage to raise £5k to enter the UK illegally are obviously coming to the UK as the benefits to them far outweigh any they can get in any other "safe" country in Europe, no papers no entry no asylum claims immediate deportation without any right to appeal no id no history simple. Where would you deport them to?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2020 21:33:51 GMT
"No, it's probably not a coincidence" no fcuking shit Sherlock these poor downtrodden single males who somehow manage to raise £5k to enter the UK illegally are obviously coming to the UK as the benefits to them far outweigh any they can get in any other "safe" country in Europe, no papers no entry no asylum claims immediate deportation without any right to appeal no id no history simple. Where would you deport them to? The last "safe" country they departed from preferably the same way they arrived no id no entry what are they trying to hide ? they are a potential threat to our national security they should be treated as such, charity begins at home I am sure you would agree
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 16, 2020 21:50:02 GMT
Where would you deport them to? The last "safe" country they departed from preferably the same way they arrived no id no entry what are they trying to hide ? they are a potential threat to our national security they should be treated as such, charity begins at home I am sure you would agree How do you know where they arrived from?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2020 21:58:27 GMT
The last "safe" country they departed from preferably the same way they arrived no id no entry what are they trying to hide ? they are a potential threat to our national security they should be treated as such, charity begins at home I am sure you would agree How do you know where they arrived from? I don't but I would imagine if they are arriving on inflatables it won't be from Somalia, Pakistan, any other third World Country or the middle east at a guess I would say France possibly where would you assume they departed from ?
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 16, 2020 22:06:26 GMT
The last "safe" country they departed from preferably the same way they arrived no id no entry what are they trying to hide ? they are a potential threat to our national security they should be treated as such, charity begins at home I am sure you would agree How do you know where they arrived from? If you lived in a war torn country would you not stop at the first safe country and claim asylum, why would you travel across the rest of the world passing numerous safe countries to then arrive in France which when I looked last was a very safe European country to then risk your life and that of your children to cross the channel to arrive in a country with a high Covid death rate oh and yes one of the best benefit systems in the world , maybe they are coming here for the Great British Weather
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 16, 2020 22:11:26 GMT
Where would you deport them to? The last "safe" country they departed from preferably the same way they arrived no id no entry what are they trying to hide ? they are a potential threat to our national security they should be treated as such, charity begins at home I am sure you would agree It obvious that the tories have done a deal to let these people in
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 16, 2020 22:12:30 GMT
How do you know where they arrived from? If you lived in a war torn country would you not stop at the first safe country and claim asylum, why would you travel across the rest of the world passing numerous safe countries to then arrive in France which when I looked last was a very safe European country to then risk your life and that of your children to cross the channel to arrive in a country with a high Covid death rate oh and yes one of the best benefit systems in the world , maybe they are coming here for the Great British Weather If I spoke English, I would head to the UK. If I was from a French-speaking, Northern-African country I would stay in France. Hasn't it been found that most of these people know fuck all about the benefits system when they arrive?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 16, 2020 22:12:53 GMT
How do you know where they arrived from? I don't but I would imagine if they are arriving on inflatables it won't be from Somalia, Pakistan, any other third World Country or the middle east at a guess I would say France possibly where would you assume they departed from ? And the ones arriving in the back of trucks?
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 16, 2020 22:16:52 GMT
If you lived in a war torn country would you not stop at the first safe country and claim asylum, why would you travel across the rest of the world passing numerous safe countries to then arrive in France which when I looked last was a very safe European country to then risk your life and that of your children to cross the channel to arrive in a country with a high Covid death rate oh and yes one of the best benefit systems in the world , maybe they are coming here for the Great British Weather If I spoke English, I would head to the UK. If I was from a French-speaking, Northern-African country I would stay in France. Hasn't it been found that most of these people know fuck all about the benefits system when they arrive? Come on you can’t be that naive surely
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 16, 2020 22:23:12 GMT
If I spoke English, I would head to the UK. If I was from a French-speaking, Northern-African country I would stay in France. Hasn't it been found that most of these people know fuck all about the benefits system when they arrive? Come on you can’t be that naive surely You don't think French-speaking refugees might be more likely to stop in France?
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 16, 2020 22:37:34 GMT
Come on you can’t be that naive surely You don't think French-speaking refugees might be more likely to stop in France? So the 6000 plus that’s already crossed don’t speak any french , don’t you watch the news when they all get here and go straight on there mobile phones , don’t you think they already have ppl here they know telling them what a wonderful country this is , free housing , NHS , schools , benefits etc , I’d want to come here to
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2020 6:34:25 GMT
I don't but I would imagine if they are arriving on inflatables it won't be from Somalia, Pakistan, any other third World Country or the middle east at a guess I would say France possibly where would you assume they departed from ? And the ones arriving in the back of trucks? Errmmm, from the country where the truck departed the port from
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2020 6:36:50 GMT
If you lived in a war torn country would you not stop at the first safe country and claim asylum, why would you travel across the rest of the world passing numerous safe countries to then arrive in France which when I looked last was a very safe European country to then risk your life and that of your children to cross the channel to arrive in a country with a high Covid death rate oh and yes one of the best benefit systems in the world , maybe they are coming here for the Great British Weather If I spoke English, I would head to the UK. If I was from a French-speaking, Northern-African country I would stay in France. Hasn't it been found that most of these people know fuck all about the benefits system when they arrive? oh dear
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Post by discodave on Sept 20, 2020 12:55:39 GMT
I say we take as many as Gary can house OR as many as some other EU states like Poland and Hungary.
Let's also ask why they feel the need to flee France and also why the French seem to operate on migrant camps with these all facing our coastline....Why don't they have some of these camps near St Tropez?
Asylum seekers /invaders in a pandemic...or something in the middle?
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Post by discodave on Sept 20, 2020 13:00:36 GMT
If I spoke English, I would head to the UK. If I was from a French-speaking, Northern-African country I would stay in France. Hasn't it been found that most of these people know fuck all about the benefits system when they arrive? Come on you can’t be that naive surely And the 300000 illegals in London who comrade Lammy wants amnesty for....and the 1.2 million estimated across the Country....Let's see what next Year's census reveals....oh I forgot ...illegal immigrants don't count
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 20, 2020 13:32:26 GMT
Come on you can’t be that naive surely And the 300000 illegals in London who comrade Lammy wants amnesty for....and the 1.2 million estimated across the Country....Let's see what next Year's census reveals....oh I forgot ...illegal immigrants don't count Ye round m up and fuck them off
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Post by discodave on Sept 20, 2020 13:35:29 GMT
And the 300000 illegals in London who comrade Lammy wants amnesty for....and the 1.2 million estimated across the Country....Let's see what next Year's census reveals....oh I forgot ...illegal immigrants don't count Ye round m up and fuck them off Planes need something to do
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2020 10:23:07 GMT
Another script idea that would have been rejected by The Day Today.
This inhumane, brutal, bunch of right wing bastards have gone way beyond parody
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