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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 7:48:13 GMT
If I’m right this isn’t about numbers but UEFA believe that their sponsorship deal is purely backed by their owner. As this is pushed through his company I really can’t see how UEFA can prove this unless there’s a clear UEFA rule that says the amount must be relative to a competing offer, even so the mega rich will get round it. From my ill informed view it looks like a silly move by UEFA, it looks very difficult to prove and I’d guess they’re going to have to climb down eventually. Allegedly 60 million pounds has been paid by the Abu Dhabi group who own Man City rather than Etihad out of the 67.5 million sponsorship deal. The Etihad deal was the biggest in sporting history by quite a way despite Etihad Airlines not posting profits for several years. There are rules regarding owners sponsoring shirts/stadia etc and limits and it seems Man City have allegedly been funding the club illegally.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 15, 2020 8:02:33 GMT
FFP was brought in by the big clubs to stop the smaller clubs coming up and entering their dance floor.
Now its biting the big clubs back. Pisser. But please fuck it off so we can spend again.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 15, 2020 8:06:34 GMT
Grest fun while it lasts but I can't see it being upheld on appeal, they will surely have smart and unscrupulous lawyers. Most lawyers are that God's.
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Post by colnepotter on Feb 15, 2020 8:55:33 GMT
Fair enough but look at our own FA and their different treatment of clubs depending on how big they are and the number of glory hunting parasites that cram the pubs when they are playing (that’s not Man City BTW). But I remember when Swindon got relegated two divisions and for the same offence Spurs were deducted 12 points. BM Hardly on the same scale . Swindon had been making irregular payments over several seasons, defrauding the Inland Revenue and of course Macari and co and their betting offences. Spurs had declared all and had their point deduction over-turned and rightly so. Was a time when the Inland Revenue went for the big clubs due to what was going on elsewhere. Spurs' debts to the Inland Revenue were clear at the time of the investigation and irregularities which I think numbered 4 were due to previous owners. Swindon had 40 odd and their chairman prosecuted as was on'going at the time of the investigation. Vastly different cases It’s people like you who are ruining this forum. Please keep your facts and evidence to yourself. Stick to ill-informed bigoted nonsense like most of the regulars on here and you will be fine. Many thanks.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 15, 2020 9:11:23 GMT
I don’t think Tottenham were deducted points mate, I’m sure they were kicked out of the FA cup then reinstated on appeal wasn't it Vale who got relegated for an offence that Surs got off virtually scot free? Vale were kicked out of the football league in late 60s for illegal payments to youngsters and amateurs, illegal bonus payments and playing illegible players.It was in the days when teams relegated from the old div 4 could apply for and almost always got re-elected back in. This happened to Vale and, ironically, think it was when Sir Stan was their manager.
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 15, 2020 9:12:04 GMT
could not give a fuck about man city they deserve all they get. but i wonder if real madrid or barcelona would be treated the same way. it seems now the english clubs are back on top in europe they r trying there best to stop them.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 15, 2020 9:22:04 GMT
wasn't it Vale who got relegated for an offence that Surs got off virtually scot free? Vale were kicked out of the football league in late 60s for illegal payments to youngsters and amateurs, illegal bonus payments and playing illegible players.It was in the days when teams relegated from the old div 4 could apply for and almost always got re-elected back in. This happened to Vale and, ironically, think it was when Sir Stan was their manager. What's an illegible player? Is it one whose name cannot be read if it is written down on a piece of paper?
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Post by cousindupree on Feb 15, 2020 9:53:11 GMT
After appeal as in many sporting bans the punishment will get reduced. UEFA doubled the ban to 2 years based on Man City perceived lack of co-operation. That charge will be impossible to uphold. The fudge will be a one season ban at most. It will be more interesting to see how the Premier League react with a possible points reduction. My cynical view us that they will be lenient and impose just a fine. It's one of the so called big 6 remember🤔
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Feb 15, 2020 9:53:38 GMT
Vale were kicked out of the football league in late 60s for illegal payments to youngsters and amateurs, illegal bonus payments and playing illegible players.It was in the days when teams relegated from the old div 4 could apply for and almost always got re-elected back in. This happened to Vale and, ironically, think it was when Sir Stan was their manager. What's an illegible player? Is it one whose name cannot be read if it is written down on a piece of paper? You’re just being silly now! Quite obviously it’s a player with no known father.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 10:14:44 GMT
could not give a fuck about man city they deserve all they get. but i wonder if real madrid or barcelona would be treated the same way. it seems now the english clubs are back on top in europe they r trying there best to stop them. Man City have won nothing in Europe and AC Milan got banned also
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 10:20:02 GMT
Ah well, it'll stop them making a disappointing quarter final exit again, and their fans aren't bothered about the European cup anyway or so they keep saying.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 15, 2020 11:07:56 GMT
Genuinely think this will be a seismic moment in European football, remember, UEFA are essentially now in a legal battle with an actual Nation State. Emails from the Spiegel Leaks imply the owners are more than willing to completely annihilate UEFA in the courts and they have the financial clout to do so. This will go on for years and could change football as much as something like the Bosman did.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 15, 2020 11:10:26 GMT
FFP was brought in by the big clubs to stop the smaller clubs coming up and entering their dance floor. Now its biting the big clubs back. Pisser. But please fuck it off so we can spend again. It was brought in to combat the noveau riche clubs like PSG and Man City, the clubs at the top table (your historic and more prestigious clubs) are untouched. Man City have constantly been against it and constantly been fighting it.
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 15, 2020 11:15:51 GMT
could not give a fuck about man city they deserve all they get. but i wonder if real madrid or barcelona would be treated the same way. it seems now the english clubs are back on top in europe they r trying there best to stop them. Man City have won nothing in Europe and AC Milan got banned also never said they had speaking about english clubs in general.
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Post by hchpotter on Feb 15, 2020 11:40:10 GMT
Strip them of all titles over the last decade and give us our FA Cup back😉
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 15, 2020 12:01:48 GMT
If I’m right this isn’t about numbers but UEFA believe that their sponsorship deal is purely backed by their owner. As this is pushed through his company I really can’t see how UEFA can prove this unless there’s a clear UEFA rule that says the amount must be relative to a competing offer, even so the mega rich will get round it. From my ill informed view it looks like a silly move by UEFA, it looks very difficult to prove and I’d guess they’re going to have to climb down eventually. Allegedly 60 million pounds has been paid by the Abu Dhabi group who own Man City rather than Etihad out of the 67.5 million sponsorship deal. The Etihad deal was the biggest in sporting history by quite a way despite Etihad Airlines not posting profits for several years. There are rules regarding owners sponsoring shirts/stadia etc and limits and it seems Man City have allegedly been funding the club illegally. Thank you for this update. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. If it’s come from a different company I still can’t see how UEFA will argue the funding is technically illegal. If it came straight from his bank account I get it but he’s not that stupid. Re posting profits I don’t see how UEFA can argue this as an issue. Some of the biggest tech companies operate on massive losses but still gain funding and no doubt spend obscene amounts on marketing. Would UEFA intervene if Uber sponsored a club as they continue to make huge losses? I understand this is slightly different but UEFA will really struggle because you can’t assert all companies are setup to make a profit year on year or even over 5 years. I’m not saying this is right and the morals of it are correct I’m just unsure how UEFA will prove the funds are illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 12:10:48 GMT
Man City have won nothing in Europe and AC Milan got banned also never said they had speaking about english clubs in general. Example then. Who have they tried to stop ?
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Post by RF10 on Feb 15, 2020 12:20:02 GMT
It's nothing to do with any loss made by Man City which they have been punished before and agreed a fine as punishment. This is all to do with Man City allegedly trying to deceive UEFA by falsifying accounts regarding where the income has come from.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 12:24:34 GMT
Allegedly 60 million pounds has been paid by the Abu Dhabi group who own Man City rather than Etihad out of the 67.5 million sponsorship deal. The Etihad deal was the biggest in sporting history by quite a way despite Etihad Airlines not posting profits for several years. There are rules regarding owners sponsoring shirts/stadia etc and limits and it seems Man City have allegedly been funding the club illegally. Thank you for this update. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. If it’s come from a different company I still can’t see how UEFA will argue the funding is technically illegal. If it came straight from his bank account I get it but he’s not that stupid. Re posting profits I don’t see how UEFA can argue this as an issue. Some of the biggest tech companies operate on massive losses but still gain funding and no doubt spend obscene amounts on marketing. Would UEFA intervene if Uber sponsored a club as they continue to make huge losses? I understand this is slightly different but UEFA will really struggle because you can’t assert all companies are setup to make a profit year on year or even over 5 years. I’m not saying this is right and the morals of it are correct I’m just unsure how UEFA will prove the funds are illegal. For sure, Northern Rock were a great example and of course Thomas Cook. Both companies were sponsoring clubs with money that they clearly shouldn't have been at the time. Man City found some loophole with the sponsorship money at one stage where they could spend money on academy buildings or similar which didn't come under FFP rules so they were free to expand around the stadium but were reported as it was creating income which was unfair other teams claimed. Not sure of the full facts but apparently it brought millions more into the club.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 15, 2020 12:27:59 GMT
Vale were kicked out of the football league in late 60s for illegal payments to youngsters and amateurs, illegal bonus payments and playing illegible players.It was in the days when teams relegated from the old div 4 could apply for and almost always got re-elected back in. This happened to Vale and, ironically, think it was when Sir Stan was their manager. What's an illegible player? Is it one whose name cannot be read if it is written down on a piece of paper? Shit.....I was a teacher as well. ........Good job it was maths as I was illegible to teach literacy due to no quals in that subject.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Feb 15, 2020 13:18:26 GMT
For clubs at this level and size, this is all water off a duck's back. The right palms are made non-empty...nothing to see here. Surprise me.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 15, 2020 13:22:32 GMT
Pisser Anything that pisses the wankers off is good day all round Indeed. I despise everything they stand for and their horrid thuggish mancunian fans.
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Post by chad on Feb 15, 2020 13:26:18 GMT
Am I missing something Does UEFA have different FFP rules than the FA If they’ve fallen foul of FFP why aren’t the Premier League looking at points deductions ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 13:47:07 GMT
Am I missing something Does UEFA have different FFP rules than the FA If they’ve fallen foul of FFP why aren’t the Premier League looking at points deductions ? The Premier League FFP play rules are far more relaxed. I think the figure is nearly double that of UEFA .
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Post by salopstick on Feb 15, 2020 14:32:44 GMT
In a massive display of Manc unity, Manchester United have just announced that they too will not play in the next 2 years champions leagues
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 15, 2020 14:35:31 GMT
Am I missing something Does UEFA have different FFP rules than the FA If they’ve fallen foul of FFP why aren’t the Premier League looking at points deductions ? Different FFP rules, there are 3 that can affect English clubs. UEFA FFP Premier League FFP EFL Profit and Sustainability Villa’s stadium sale despite being carried out when they were still in the EFL was passed onto the Premier League for investigation as they were no longer under the Jurisdiction of the EFL. Premier League rules are way more lenient than UEFA’s.
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 15, 2020 14:47:12 GMT
never said they had speaking about english clubs in general. Example then. Who have they tried to stop ? man city as i said i dont give a fuck about but you are not telling me they dont have a very good chance of winning it. it does not matter if they have won anything in europe in the past we are talking about now. there is my Example.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 14:52:09 GMT
Example then. Who have they tried to stop ? man city as i said i dont give a fuck about but you are not telling me they dont have a very good chance of winning it. it does not matter if they have won anything in europe in the past we are talking about now. there is my Example. Like I said, not the only club to be banned so your singling out English clubs makes no sense.
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 15, 2020 17:14:15 GMT
Like I said, not the only club to be banned so your singling out English clubs makes no sense. not on here to argue with you mate you have you opinions i have mine.
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Post by liam007 on Feb 16, 2020 7:17:26 GMT
could not give a fuck about man city they deserve all they get. but i wonder if real madrid or barcelona would be treated the same way. it seems now the english clubs are back on top in europe they r trying there best to stop them. Man City have won nothing in Europe and AC Milan got banned also You sure Man City have won nothing in Europe,you might want to check who won the 1970 Cup Winners Cup.
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