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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 14:25:13 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 6, 2023 14:46:34 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 6, 2023 14:50:04 GMT
I'm not a Tory and I'm not Labour but I don't feel the need to denigrate either of them them on everything they do just to prove my credentials. That's a pretty poor comment from you, I actually thought you were better than that, absolutely no need to start with the (unfounded) personal jibes, I wouldn't do it to you. I (and millions of other people) have strong, passionate views on what has taken place here, you have an alternative view, which is absolutely fine but please don't attempt to belittle OUR views with such mocking remarks. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 15:01:28 GMT
That's a pretty poor comment from you, I actually thought you were better than that, absolutely no need to start with the (unfounded) personal jibes, I wouldn't do it to you. I (and millions of other people) have strong, passionate views on what has taken place here, you have an alternative view, which is absolutely fine but please don't attempt to belittle OUR views with such mocking remarks. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. Absolutely pathetic.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2023 15:03:02 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away And its a 30 min drive 😆
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2023 15:27:52 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away In fact I bet a decent cyclist could better 1 hour 10 mins wonder 🤔
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Post by Northy on Oct 6, 2023 15:35:34 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away In fact I bet a decent cyclist could better 1 hour 10 mins wonder 🤔 Probably. This happened to the station in April 2021, the roof and ticket office collapsed during the daytime, they are now finally rebuilding it to how it was previously, no upgrades, the Chester direction platform has no lift or disabled platform, you have to go to the end of the platform and push them across the tracks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-57472416
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
What am I missing here .. just how can the Hs2 line between London and Brum knock off 30 mins of the journey time from Manchester to London?
Or is this just more Tory gaslighting?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 6, 2023 15:58:40 GMT
In fairness the UK will have plenty of pointy trains as the HS2 fleet remains on order AFAIK, but they will spend a lot of their time trundling at much lower speeds. A bit like a Ferrari around Hanley.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 6, 2023 20:00:34 GMT
In fairness the UK will have plenty of pointy trains as the HS2 fleet remains on order AFAIK, but they will spend a lot of their time trundling at much lower speeds. A bit like a Ferrari around Hanley. Unfortunately those new trains won't run on our old network unless they're re engineered.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 7, 2023 7:16:54 GMT
In fairness the UK will have plenty of pointy trains as the HS2 fleet remains on order AFAIK, but they will spend a lot of their time trundling at much lower speeds. A bit like a Ferrari around Hanley. Unfortunately those new trains won't run on our old network unless they're re engineered. Certainly the first batch should be compatible with the classic network. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HS2_rolling_stock#:~:text=The%20trains%20will%20be%20based,1%2C312%20ft%204%20in)%20train. I understand the DFT is now trying to renegotiate the contract with Alstom for fewer trains.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 7, 2023 7:26:54 GMT
Two different types, that's covered it. Ta. I remember travelling on the HS1 in the new stock being bounced all over the place on the old track, terrible experience but as soon as it got into the tunnel and out the other side it was stunning. Even did the stand a coin on it's edge thing on the table going full tilt.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 7, 2023 9:05:56 GMT
Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. Absolutely pathetic. Are you saying you didn't selectively quote me to misrepresent my views to another poster? Because that is exactly what you did - and then you took the hump because I pointed out what you did. Pathetic indeed.
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 7, 2023 10:32:08 GMT
What am I missing here .. just how can the Hs2 line between London and Brum knock off 30 mins of the journey time from Manchester to London? Or is this just more Tory gaslighting? The Manchester to London train doesn’t go through Birmingham- unless it means trains on the current line can travel faster after hs2. Like most things politicians say it’s just a pointless soundbite
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 7, 2023 13:06:32 GMT
Are you saying you didn't selectively quote me to misrepresent my views to another poster? Because that is exactly what you did - and then you took the hump because I pointed out what you did. Pathetic indeed. I'm not going to accuse you of blatantly lying, I'm just going to assume that you have an extremely poor memory ... 1. Here is the quote of yours that I highlighted, one that you actually replied to, without any histrionics from you about me quoting you out of context or attempting to wrongfully portray you as pro Tory or anti Labour. The reason that you didn't, was because it was a perfectly legitimate quote for me to highlight and question to ask about it.
They are putting the money directly into the hoped for spin offs because they will generate more value per pound invested. Hmmm ... you genuinely believe that's going to happen then? I can't believe just how easily some people can be placated, after everything that's taken place. Hmmm ... you genuinely believe that's going to happen then? I can't believe just how easily some people can be placated, after everything that's taken place. It may or may not happen. The point is at least it might happen whereas carry on with HS2 it definitely won't happen. At least a Labour government will have some money to use once the Tories are ousted and, despite my reservations about Starmer's Labour, there's a good chance they will do something constructive with it. Scrapping HS2 is the least crap of 2 crap options. And fair play to Sunak for making the call. 2. You later said that the Tories were never going to level up the North, which I agreed with and I said that I then found it strange that you were extolling the virtues of putting money directly into the hoped spin offs, to me, it seemed a contradiction to what you had said earlier. The Tories were never going to level up the North - that's a given. Sunak is just the fall guy finally admitting that yet another Boris Johnson lie was in fact another Boris Johnson lie. After Johnson and Truss the Tories actually have a couple of adults in charge in Sunak and Hunt making sound financial decisions after years of mismanagement. I want the Tories out but you are just political point scoring here - the pair of them are making the right decision for the right reason and credit to them. Political point scoring? Jesus wept, this is about as political a discussion as you can get. And yes you're right, the Tories were never going to level up the North, that's why it makes it so surprising that you were exalting plans for a redistribution of funds to other infracturce plans for the North, yesterday.They've already started rowing back on promises they announced just 24 hours ago FFS. They don't deserve any credit whatsoever. 3. Micky Maestro (who later admitted he hadn't read the thread) in reply to my post above, said that he thought we were talking about something else, I merely replied to him by posting the exact same (this is very important) quote that we had been discussing (the one that previously, you had had absolutely no issue with). I think he means if Labour get in they will spend some money in the North. How I read it anyway. They are putting the money directly into the hoped for spin offs because they will generate more value per pound invested. 4. You then accused me of selectively quoting you, when we had already had been discussing your quote without any issues from you. You then went on to suggest that the only reason I held my views about HS2 was because I felt the need to denigrate the Tory's in order to prove my credentials. Which I thought was an extremely poor comment from you, indeed I had come to expect better from you as a poster and didn't expect you to make personal jibes that were untrue. Nice bit of selective quoting - you've missed out all the stuff I said about Labour having money to spend now that Tories have stopped draining the public coffers on a white elephant. I'm not a Tory and I'm not Labour but I don't feel the need to denigrate either of them them on everything they do just to prove my credentials. That's a pretty poor comment from you, I actually thought you were better than that, absolutely no need to start with the (unfounded) personal jibes, I wouldn't do it to you. I (and millions of other people) have strong, passionate views on what has taken place here, you have an alternative view, which is absolutely fine but please don't attempt to belittle OUR views with such mocking remarks. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. 5. You then suggested I had implied that you were pro Tory and anti Labour, which was completely untrue and that I was upset for you claiming that I was point scoring, which was again untrue, I had taken offense to you suggesting that the only reason I held my views on HS2 was because I needed to 'prove my credentials'. And quite frankly, I found your post, pathetic. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. Absolutely pathetic. And that's where we are, that's what actually happened (it's all there in black and white, I've missed nothing out).
I hope the above clears everything up but please, if there is anything else you are still unsure about, just give me a shout.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 7, 2023 13:11:48 GMT
What am I missing here .. just how can the Hs2 line between London and Brum knock off 30 mins of the journey time from Manchester to London? Or is this just more Tory gaslighting? The Manchester to London train doesn’t go through Birmingham- unless it means trains on the current line can travel faster after hs2. Like most things politicians say it’s just a pointless soundbite
Exactly mate.
Either he doesn't realise that the Manchester to London line doesn't go through Birmingham (which would be extremely worrying in itself) or he's flat out lying because he assumes that his target audience doesn't know that either.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 7, 2023 17:57:52 GMT
The Manchester to London train doesn’t go through Birmingham- unless it means trains on the current line can travel faster after hs2. Like most things politicians say it’s just a pointless soundbite
Exactly mate.
Either he doesn't realise that the Manchester to London line doesn't go through Birmingham (which would be extremely worrying in itself) or he's flat out lying because he assumes that his target audience doesn't know that either.
The Manchester trains will run on HS2 , avoiding Birmingham and joining the old route at Handsacre. Even so the claim of London_Manchester timings being cut by 30 mins is a lie. If HS2 had continued to Crewe (Phase 2A), it was only going to cut 24 mins to Manchester. With Phase 1 (London-Handsacre) the expectation was about 15 mins reduction. Someone should ask the liar how he expects to cut 30 mins in an interview. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_2#To_other_stationsAnd his Manchester to Bradford timing promise is nonsense as well....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2023 18:44:07 GMT
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 9, 2023 19:39:36 GMT
So the section of his speech where he said multiple times "will" in relation to the delivery of the HS2 replacement projects , and the pathetic Tory membership swooned and cheered, was a string of lies which has been trashed after 5 days. What a patronising piece of shit the Tories have inflicted on us as PM this time.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 9, 2023 20:40:53 GMT
He genuinely thinks we're all just straw munching yokels who take our ferrets for a walk and don't have the actual brain capacity to remember what he promised us just last week!
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