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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2020 11:25:48 GMT
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Post by Goonie on Feb 8, 2020 12:37:21 GMT
There is a growing movement to change the diagnosis of personality disorder as it can be a pejorative term and often fails to take into account the reasons for the development of said disorders. Many people who fall into the diagnostic catergories do so due to early childhood experiences of trauma, with a large 'T' sexual, physical abuse, neglect, loss and accident. Those with a small 't' traumas are those experienced on a daily basis: criticism, rejection, abandonment, control. These build to shape and contort the child's schematic view of the world and leads to core beliefs based on these experiences about themselves, others and the world in general. Rules for living are devised to protect them from the beliefs coming true: 'I must always please people or they will abandon me' Distress arises when rules are broken. This distress can be exhibited through anxiety, depression, violence, high risk behaviours, addiction, self-harm to name a few. Psychiatry uses diagnostic labels to treat the individual though very few psychotropic medications actually resolve the problems. Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), Dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) and psychotherapy have proven effective in helping many with the diagnosis lead normal lives www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19187711/Not funny but may add to a debate
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Post by Goonie on Feb 8, 2020 12:39:42 GMT
For balance (humour)
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2020 12:47:39 GMT
There is a growing movement to change the diagnosis of personality disorder as it can be a pejorative term and often fails to take into account the reasons for the development of said disorders. Many people who fall into the diagnostic catergories do so due to early childhood experiences of trauma, with a large 'T' sexual, physical abuse, neglect, loss and accident. Those with a small 't' traumas are those experienced on a daily basis: criticism, rejection, abandonment, control. These build to shape and contort the child's schematic view of the world and leads to core beliefs based on these experiences about themselves, others and the world in general. Rules for living are devised to protect them from the beliefs coming true: 'I must always please people or they will abandon me' Distress arises when rules are broken. This distress can be exhibited through anxiety, depression, violence, high risk behaviours, addiction, self-harm to name a few. Psychiatry uses diagnostic labels to treat the individual though very few psychotropic medications actually resolve the problems. Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), Dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) and psychotherapy have proven effective in helping many with the diagnosis lead normal lives www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19187711/Not funny but may add to a debate Oh duck, they’re alive & well & living among us. The prison system is nothing but a modern day Bedlam. I’ve said before that we need to take good hard look in the mirror of truth. 1st step of change is wanting to change...
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 8, 2020 13:41:24 GMT
I was going to pick one for you bath mate but I noticed it said PERSONALITY disorder so you don't qualify (joke emoji)
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2020 14:13:24 GMT
I was going to pick one for you bath mate but I noticed it said PERSONALITY disorder so you don't qualify (joke emoji) Antisocial Behavioural Disorder for youXx
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2020 17:50:59 GMT
Zeusy's shopping list.
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 8, 2020 19:03:53 GMT
Sent bath a message earlier predicting this. I also told him that you are doing (and will continue to do) exactly what I want 😊 I'm sure he'll be happy to confirm my Nostradamus like skills in due course
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2020 19:39:13 GMT
Sent bath a message earlier predicting this. I also told him that you are doing (and will continue to do) exactly what I want 😊 I'm sure he'll be happy to confirm my Nostradamus like skills in due course Ooooh some subterfuge going on. Sexy 😂 I'm not sure what you think you're achieving fella, but enjoy your blossoming symbiotic relationship with Bathy. At least you're finally forging alliances with people who actually exist rather than alternate accounts, so I'm happy for you mate. Good on you 😊 I was at the match with real mates when you were thinking this up, just for perspective 😉
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 8, 2020 20:04:24 GMT
Sent bath a message earlier predicting this. I also told him that you are doing (and will continue to do) exactly what I want 😊 I'm sure he'll be happy to confirm my Nostradamus like skills in due course Ooooh some subterfuge going on. Sexy 😂 I'm not sure what you think you're achieving fella, but enjoy your blossoming symbiotic relationship with Bathy. At least you're finally forging alliances with people who actually exist rather than alternate accounts, so I'm happy for you mate. Good on you 😊 I was at the match with real mates when you were thinking this up, just for perspective 😉 "Just for perspective"..."real mates"...15,273 posts...😂
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2020 20:10:55 GMT
Sent bath a message earlier predicting this. I also told him that you are doing (and will continue to do) exactly what I want 😊 I'm sure he'll be happy to confirm my Nostradamus like skills in due course Ooooh some subterfuge going on. Sexy 😂 I'm not sure what you think you're achieving fella, but enjoy your blossoming symbiotic relationship with Bathy. At least you're finally forging alliances with people who actually exist rather than alternate accounts, so I'm happy for you mate. Good on you 😊 I was at the match with real mates when you were thinking this up, just for perspective 😉 I’m not sure Hey Zeus is who you think he is. I think he may be telling the truth... Anyways, you two have definitely got Dependant Personality DisordersXx
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 8, 2020 20:24:58 GMT
Ooooh some subterfuge going on. Sexy 😂 I'm not sure what you think you're achieving fella, but enjoy your blossoming symbiotic relationship with Bathy. At least you're finally forging alliances with people who actually exist rather than alternate accounts, so I'm happy for you mate. Good on you 😊 I was at the match with real mates when you were thinking this up, just for perspective 😉 I’m not sure Hey Zeus is who you think he is. I think he may be telling the truth... Anyways, you two have definitely got Dependant Personality DisordersXx I definitely am a Christian who is keen to share the word
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2020 21:36:34 GMT
Ooooh some subterfuge going on. Sexy 😂 I'm not sure what you think you're achieving fella, but enjoy your blossoming symbiotic relationship with Bathy. At least you're finally forging alliances with people who actually exist rather than alternate accounts, so I'm happy for you mate. Good on you 😊 I was at the match with real mates when you were thinking this up, just for perspective 😉 "Just for perspective"..."real mates"...15,273 posts...😂 15,000 posts spread over about nine years and one account rather than multiple ones. Plus, what with this being predominantly a Stoke City forum I actually pass comment on that side of the board too, unlike you. And it takes literally seconds to tap an icon to load this site up, again unlike you and your saliva-soaked keyboard 😂 So yes barkers, I was at the match with friends, although I can see that this is a difficult concept for a sad, lonely loser such as yourself to comprehend 😎 Now.... how come you don't post as manmarking anymore mate? And how come, on a Stoke messageboard, you never actually post about Stoke? 😊
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2020 21:38:54 GMT
I’m not sure Hey Zeus is who you think he is. I think he may be telling the truth... Anyways, you two have definitely got Dependant Personality DisordersXx I definitely am a Christian who is keen to share the word I see you've reverted back to the pseudo-religious act now that Vokesy's here. What a shocker 😊
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 8, 2020 21:59:06 GMT
I definitely am a Christian who is keen to share the word I see you've reverted back to the pseudo-religious act now that Vokesy's here. What a shocker 😊 Vokesy was in the countryside with a girl this afternoon I hope they didn't sin I was at the game with a friend from church Meanwhile you were making lots of posts on here
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2020 22:08:20 GMT
I see you've reverted back to the pseudo-religious act now that Vokesy's here. What a shocker 😊 Vokesy was in the countryside with a girl this afternoon I hope they didn't sin I was at the game with a friend from church Meanwhile you were making lots of posts on here Quite correct mate, after the match on the football side of the board. I think you'll find a lot of people do so, what with it being predominantly a football forum 😊 Glad to see that I've gotten under your skin to the extent that you're tracking my posting history though. That's not weird at all 🤔
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2020 22:22:26 GMT
Vokesy was in the countryside with a girl this afternoon I hope they didn't sin I was at the game with a friend from church Meanwhile you were making lots of posts on here Quite correct mate, after the match on the football side of the board. I think you'll find a lot of people do so, what with it being predominantly a football forum 😊 Glad to see that I've gotten under your skin to the extent that you're tracking my posting history though. That's not weird at all 🤔 You’re both doing it. I’m going, I feel like a gooseberry.
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 9, 2020 9:40:11 GMT
Vokesy was in the countryside with a girl this afternoon I hope they didn't sin I was at the game with a friend from church Meanwhile you were making lots of posts on here Quite correct mate, after the match on the football side of the board. I think you'll find a lot of people do so, what with it being predominantly a football forum 😊 Glad to see that I've gotten under your skin to the extent that you're tracking my posting history though. That's not weird at all 🤔 I didn't check to be honest. You're just predictable.
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Post by RF10 on Feb 9, 2020 10:24:46 GMT
There is a growing movement to change the diagnosis of personality disorder as it can be a pejorative term and often fails to take into account the reasons for the development of said disorders. Many people who fall into the diagnostic catergories do so due to early childhood experiences of trauma, with a large 'T' sexual, physical abuse, neglect, loss and accident. Those with a small 't' traumas are those experienced on a daily basis: criticism, rejection, abandonment, control. These build to shape and contort the child's schematic view of the world and leads to core beliefs based on these experiences about themselves, others and the world in general. Rules for living are devised to protect them from the beliefs coming true: 'I must always please people or they will abandon me' Distress arises when rules are broken. This distress can be exhibited through anxiety, depression, violence, high risk behaviours, addiction, self-harm to name a few. Psychiatry uses diagnostic labels to treat the individual though very few psychotropic medications actually resolve the problems. Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), Dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) and psychotherapy have proven effective in helping many with the diagnosis lead normal lives www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19187711/Not funny but may add to a debate Speaking from a personal situation regarding personality disorder. The state of the mental health service in Stoke is completely on it's knees. It wouldn't be fair for me to comment on the country as a whole as only know this area. The NHS support to patients to almost non existent and CBT being offered, they will do anything they can to not offer you this, instead look at throwing any medications at you, whilst working to a degree, as you pointed out CBT gets to route problems. The centres are understaffed and under funded, staff working are put under enormous amount of pressure leading to them going on sick which then adds to the problem, from the horses mouth. The funding is appaling.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 9, 2020 10:58:59 GMT
There is a growing movement to change the diagnosis of personality disorder as it can be a pejorative term and often fails to take into account the reasons for the development of said disorders. Many people who fall into the diagnostic catergories do so due to early childhood experiences of trauma, with a large 'T' sexual, physical abuse, neglect, loss and accident. Those with a small 't' traumas are those experienced on a daily basis: criticism, rejection, abandonment, control. These build to shape and contort the child's schematic view of the world and leads to core beliefs based on these experiences about themselves, others and the world in general. Rules for living are devised to protect them from the beliefs coming true: 'I must always please people or they will abandon me' Distress arises when rules are broken. This distress can be exhibited through anxiety, depression, violence, high risk behaviours, addiction, self-harm to name a few. Psychiatry uses diagnostic labels to treat the individual though very few psychotropic medications actually resolve the problems. Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), Dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) and psychotherapy have proven effective in helping many with the diagnosis lead normal lives www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19187711/Not funny but may add to a debate Speaking from a personal situation regarding personality disorder. The state of the mental health service in Stoke is completely on it's knees. It wouldn't be fair for me to comment on the country as a whole as only know this area. The NHS support to patients to almost non existent and CBT being offered, they will do anything they can to not offer you this, instead look at throwing any medications at you, whilst working to a degree, as you pointed out CBT gets to route problems. The centres are understaffed and under funded, staff working are put under enormous amount of pressure leading to them going on sick which then adds to the problem, from the horses mouth. The funding is appaling. The money spent on drugs and Psychiatry has always been misplaced, particularly when dealing with mental health problems with a psychological cause - my experience suggests it does not resolve these problems but rather maintains them. How can a drug resolve a person's trauma history? An abusive family background or the death of a loved one? The good news there is a sea change coming with psychology gaining dominance based on scientific evidence. The only problem will be that it will be a slow process over decades. My advice to anyone who needs psychological therapy and struggling to get it free on the NHS: if you can, go private. It will be an investment in wellbeing. Just research what is proven to be effective and only see BABCP approved members or similar national governing bodies.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 9, 2020 11:44:04 GMT
Quite correct mate, after the match on the football side of the board. I think you'll find a lot of people do so, what with it being predominantly a football forum 😊 Glad to see that I've gotten under your skin to the extent that you're tracking my posting history though. That's not weird at all 🤔 I didn't check to be honest. You're just predictable. So we're agreed you were talking bollocks then 😊
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Post by RF10 on Feb 9, 2020 11:52:30 GMT
Speaking from a personal situation regarding personality disorder. The state of the mental health service in Stoke is completely on it's knees. It wouldn't be fair for me to comment on the country as a whole as only know this area. The NHS support to patients to almost non existent and CBT being offered, they will do anything they can to not offer you this, instead look at throwing any medications at you, whilst working to a degree, as you pointed out CBT gets to route problems. The centres are understaffed and under funded, staff working are put under enormous amount of pressure leading to them going on sick which then adds to the problem, from the horses mouth. The funding is appaling. The money spent on drugs and Psychiatry has always been misplaced, particularly when dealing with mental health problems with a psychological cause - my experience suggests it does not resolve these problems but rather maintains them. How can a drug resolve a person's trauma history? An abusive family background or the death of a loved one? The good news there is a sea change coming with psychology gaining dominance based on scientific evidence. The only problem will be that it will be a slow process over decades. My advice to anyone who needs psychological therapy and struggling to get it free on the NHS: if you can, go private. It will be an investment in wellbeing. Just research what is proven to be effective and only see BABCP approved members or similar national governing bodies. I agree regarding the private aspect, however this is also minefield plus unaffordable costings. We have been advised against going private in this area due to the same results e.g. drugs being thrown at you in a attempt to maintain rather than resolve, this is from someone within the system and to quote "make you feel zombified". Hoping the time is near for free NHS help but the length of time to get to a possibility is staggeringly unacceptable. I believe for future generations the system will be better and will equipt to help, this will also come with the current generation of current practice Drs and duty care professions moving on, no offence meant to anyone in this field just my own experience.
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Post by RF10 on Feb 9, 2020 11:54:43 GMT
I didn't check to be honest. You're just predictable. So we're agreed you were talking bollocks then 😊 Can I please ask not to turn this topic into a full on bickering session.
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 9, 2020 12:38:45 GMT
So we're agreed you were talking bollocks then 😊 Can I please ask not to turn this topic into a full on bickering session. Hear hear. He disrupts so many threads with this weird obsession doesn't he?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 10, 2020 23:21:33 GMT
1 vankswagen 2 Heyjuice 3 madnmanBarking 4 Deanos sisters pissy pants 5 Brilittle 6 Rat 7 Tea Bag 8 Clitty 9 barthhhh 10 wankmonkey
In no particular order mad as fcuk sad act.
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 11, 2020 2:51:18 GMT
1 vankswagen 2 Heyjuice 3 madnmanBarking 4 Deanos sisters pissy pants 5 Brilittle 6 Rat 7 Tea Bag 8 Clitty 9 barthhhh 10 wankmonkey
In no particular order mad as fcuk sad act.
You ok mate?
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 11, 2020 7:12:29 GMT
1 vankswagen 2 Heyjuice 3 madnmanBarking 4 Deanos sisters pissy pants 5 Brilittle 6 Rat 7 Tea Bag 8 Clitty 9 barthhhh 10 wankmonkey
In no particular order mad as fcuk sad act.
How's Franklin mate? Will he be contributing or is he focusing on the main board for now?
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 11, 2020 7:19:32 GMT
Can I please ask not to turn this topic into a full on bickering session. Hear hear. He disrupts so many threads with this weird obsession doesn't he? Carps is at it too now (and by extension Franklin) What is it about making unintelligent right wing arguments badly that makes this "everyone is *********" thing such a comfort blanket to so many I wonder......
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 11, 2020 7:45:22 GMT
1 vankswagen 2 Heyjuice 3 madnmanBarking 4 Deanos sisters pissy pants 5 Brilittle 6 Rat 7 Tea Bag 8 Clitty 9 barthhhh 10 wankmonkey
In no particular order mad as fcuk sad act.
I’ll wear it like a badge of honour. Whatever is the opposite to you Craps is fine by me...
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Post by felonious on Feb 11, 2020 7:53:45 GMT
1 vankswagen 2 Heyjuice 3 madnmanBarking 4 Deanos sisters pissy pants 5 Brilittle 6 Rat 7 Tea Bag 8 Clitty 9 barthhhh 10 wankmonkey
In no particular order mad as fcuk sad act.
I've always wondered who the "sleeper" was At least Tea Bag was useful with that delightful Cardiacs thread
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