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Post by pottersrule on Feb 4, 2020 9:39:10 GMT
From the remaining games🤔 Home Charlton Preston Cardiff Hull Middlesboro Barnsley Birmingham Brentford Away QPR Blackburn Luton Reading Wigan Leeds Bristol City Forest Looking at the fixtures left I’d suggest we need points sooner rather than later because the final home game and the last 3 away games look difficult on paper. The last two fixtures might not be too bad if they are already in the play offs,as they normally play weakened teams in preparation for the finals.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 4, 2020 10:07:32 GMT
Wigan, in the Prem. Had a decent record of avoiding the drop on the final day.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 4, 2020 10:42:51 GMT
The fact there's 4 six pointers in there probably means we won't need 19. Assuming we win them, that is. Which is a big assumption.
Winning against Charlton, Wigan, Barnsley and Luton would give us 12 points and double in differential. They'd have to do some serious work to then overturn that deficit, but it's not impossible. I reckon we need those 4 games, I can see us beating Hull and Birmingham and then a point at QPR or Blackburn which would be enough.
If we manage to avoid more results like Friday, our goal difference comes into play too. You'd much rather be in our position than the team's below us at this juncture. It's in our hands, if we go down at least we'll have fucked it up.
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Post by robstokie on Feb 4, 2020 16:50:31 GMT
Think we need to stop looking at the fixtures as a whole and scale it down to per month (I predicted we could get 8 points from January, we end up with 10 from the 5 games, yet are only one point further ahead of the bottom 3 than we were coming into the new year, it really is a mad league this season - West Brom and Leeds have both only won 2 in 10, yet they are still the top 2!
This month I will go for...
Charlton H - 3 points. Got the feeling we will grind it out.
Preston H - 1 point. Don't think we will lose, doubtful if we'll beat them - could be a bit of a thriller.
QPR A - 0 points. We don't do London do we? Reckon they might turn it on against us.
Cardiff H - 3 points. It won't be pretty, they are hot and cold, whereas we are slowly turning it around. Reckon we will edge it though.
Blackburn A - 0 points. This is the kind of game we have struggled in, both under MON and before.
Luton A - 3 points. They will come at us, but they are so open and they will shoot themselves in the foot.
So - 10 points for me from the 6 games, putting us on 41 from 36 games and closer to potential safety, and hopefully, with the way things are going, maybe up to 19th with a 5-7 point gap to the bottom 3. Let's hope anyway.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 4, 2020 17:35:04 GMT
From the remaining games🤔 Home Charlton Preston Cardiff Hull Middlesboro Barnsley Birmingham Brentford Away QPR Blackburn Luton Reading Wigan Leeds Bristol City Forest Looking at the fixtures left I’d suggest we need points sooner rather than later because the final home game and the last 3 away games look difficult on paper. If we can't win 6 and draw 1 game from those 16 fixtures then we deserve to go down. On our current form (Derby was an aberration as far as I'm concerned), we should do it with points to spare. OS.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 4, 2020 18:49:03 GMT
Everybody above us is averaging a lot more than a point a game and on current form Wigan may have a strong end to the season. All of them may smash the 50pt mark and some - which will make our job a lot harder. It really does depend what Stoke team turns up. We are capable of beating the likes of WBA on their own patch, but also capable of getting spanked by an average Derby team. The performance against Derby really did not resemble any of the performances that went before it in terms of quality and effort, so you would hope that nothing has gone awry within the club and that we have not upset any of the egos during the last few days of the transfer window - wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't be the first time that our form takes a strange dip after the January transfer window. The last game against Derby was about as bad a performance we have seen in some time even including the NJ era, 7 days before that was about as good as it gets against the Swans - such a massive swing in one week is a bit worrying. Interesting to see what reaction we get against Charlton - which on paper is probably our biggest game in recent history - a damp squid and a defeat in that game won't leave any of us with much confidence. I short - does anybody have a feckin clue what we will do next
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Post by Ron on Feb 4, 2020 18:54:33 GMT
1 sound beating under MON and suddenly it’s all doom and gloom. We will be ok... and I’m the biggest pessimist going
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 5, 2020 0:10:51 GMT
Question: Do you think that MON has helped with the psych? I mean, it’s a sitar not a 3 string cigar box git but he seems to be a calming influence. Football play good Stoke yes?... Coming.... What? Maybe it was Lost in Translation?
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Post by markby on Feb 5, 2020 0:13:24 GMT
The stattos at FiveThirtyEight reckon you'll be fine - another 24 points to come (55 in total), leaving you in 19th: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/championship/Relegation predictions are: Wigan (22nd, 49 pts), Barnsley (23rd, 42 pts) and Luton (24th, 39 pts). Meanwhile, looking up, Play-off places are Bristol C (6th, 71 pts), Forest (5th, 73 pts), Fulham (4th, 76 pts) and WBA (3rd, 81 pts). And predicted to win Automatic Promotion are (Drum Roll!) Brentford, 2nd on 81 pts! There's somebody else in there, but fuck 'em, they're not worth mentioning.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 1:44:17 GMT
Everybody above us is averaging a lot more than a point a game and on current form Wigan may have a strong end to the season. All of them may smash the 50pt mark and some - which will make our job a lot harder. It really does depend what Stoke team turns up. We are capable of beating the likes of WBA on their own patch, but also capable of getting spanked by an average Derby team. The performance against Derby really did not resemble any of the performances that went before it in terms of quality and effort, so you would hope that nothing has gone awry within the club and that we have not upset any of the egos during the last few days of the transfer window - wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't be the first time that our form takes a strange dip after the January transfer window. The last game against Derby was about as bad a performance we have seen in some time even including the NJ era, 7 days before that was about as good as it gets against the Swans - such a massive swing in one week is a bit worrying. Interesting to see what reaction we get against Charlton - which on paper is probably our biggest game in recent history - a damp squid and a defeat in that game won't leave any of us with much confidence. I short - does anybody have a feckin clue what we will do next A 'Damp Squid' ? believe most are due to their habitat I agree with the last line. Can guess all we want. Have gone from bottom to a decent position and one game doesn't change that.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 5, 2020 7:49:34 GMT
From the remaining games🤔 Home Charlton Preston Cardiff Hull Middlesboro Barnsley Birmingham Brentford Away QPR Blackburn Luton Reading Wigan Leeds Bristol City Forest Looking at the fixtures left I’d suggest we need points sooner rather than later because the final home game and the last 3 away games look difficult on paper. If we get them they'll probably come from where you expect them the least.
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Post by musik on Feb 5, 2020 22:47:44 GMT
Nah ... 19 points won't be enough
to reach the Play Offs.
Even if Brentford and Bristol City have 50 points atm, both will probably get some points.
🤡
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Post by Stoke711 on Feb 5, 2020 23:08:45 GMT
Home Charlton - 3 Preston - 3 Cardiff - 1 Hull - 3 Middlesboro - 3 Barnsley - 3 Birmingham - 1 Brentford - 1
Away QPR - 0 Blackburn -0 Luton - 3 Reading - 0 Wigan - 1 Leeds - 1 Bristol City - 0 Forest - 3
I think we will be fine.
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Post by musik on Feb 5, 2020 23:40:51 GMT
Home Charlton - 3 Preston - 1 Cardiff - 3 Hull - 0 Middlesboro - 1 Barnsley - 3 Birmingham - 3 Brentford - 1
Away QPR - 3 Blackburn -1 Luton - 3 Reading - 3 Wigan - 3 Leeds - 0 Bristol City - 0 Forest - 1
But will it be enough to be 12th club in the division in May?
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Post by stokecitytalke on Feb 6, 2020 10:25:57 GMT
Home Charlton - 3 Preston - 1 Cardiff - 3 Hull - 0 Middlesboro - 1 Barnsley - 3 Birmingham - 3 Brentford - 1 Away QPR - 3 Blackburn -1 Luton - 3 Reading - 3 Wigan - 3 Leeds - 0 Bristol City - 0 Forest - 1 But will it be enough to be 12th club in the division in May? Does it matter, as long as we aren't the 22nd, 23rd or 24th?
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Post by Davef on Feb 6, 2020 12:42:27 GMT
Everybody above us is averaging a lot more than a point a game and on current form Wigan may have a strong end to the season. All of them may smash the 50pt mark and some - which will make our job a lot harder. We've averaged 1.53 per game since Michael O'Neill took charge. What makes you think we won't be able to maintain that average but all our rivals will?
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 6, 2020 19:25:00 GMT
Everybody above us is averaging a lot more than a point a game and on current form Wigan may have a strong end to the season. All of them may smash the 50pt mark and some - which will make our job a lot harder. We've averaged 1.53 per game since Michael O'Neill took charge. What makes you think we won't be able to maintain that average but all our rivals will? I said if our rivals beat 50pts then that will make our job harder - than say if all we have to get is 44pts for survival. I did not say we would not be able to achieve it should we need to
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Post by stokecity4life on Feb 7, 2020 7:59:40 GMT
From the remaining games🤔 Home Charlton Preston Cardiff Hull Middlesboro Barnsley Birmingham Brentford Away QPR Blackburn Luton Reading Wigan Leeds Bristol City Forest Looking at the fixtures left I’d suggest we need points sooner rather than later because the final home game and the last 3 away games look difficult on paper. If we can't win 6 and draw 1 game from those 16 fixtures then we deserve to go down. On our current form (Derby was an aberration as far as I'm concerned), we should do it with points to spare. OS. This is spot on and always the right way to assess things. If we can`t achieve that, we deserve to go down - we have put ourselves in a position where its all in our hands - whereas under NJ it wouldn`t have been.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Feb 7, 2020 8:51:36 GMT
We're gonna win the league.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 7, 2020 12:29:49 GMT
We're gonna win the league. Is now the time to crack out the classic E-I-E-I-E-I-O? Always loved that song.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 7, 2020 21:31:59 GMT
Think we need to stop looking at the fixtures as a whole and scale it down to per month (I predicted we could get 8 points from January, we end up with 10 from the 5 games, yet are only one point further ahead of the bottom 3 than we were coming into the new year, it really is a mad league this season - West Brom and Leeds have both only won 2 in 10, yet they are still the top 2! This month I will go for... Charlton H - 3 points. Got the feeling we will grind it out. Preston H - 1 point. Don't think we will lose, doubtful if we'll beat them - could be a bit of a thriller. QPR A - 0 points. We don't do London do we? Reckon they might turn it on against us. Cardiff H - 3 points. It won't be pretty, they are hot and cold, whereas we are slowly turning it around. Reckon we will edge it though. Blackburn A - 0 points. This is the kind of game we have struggled in, both under MON and before. Luton A - 3 points. They will come at us, but they are so open and they will shoot themselves in the foot. So - 10 points for me from the 6 games, putting us on 41 from 36 games and closer to potential safety, and hopefully, with the way things are going, maybe up to 19th with a 5-7 point gap to the bottom 3. Let's hope anyway. Like that mate very fair assessment and pretty much how I see it, fingers crossed anyway.
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Post by musik on Feb 8, 2020 1:15:36 GMT
Home Charlton - 3 Preston - 1 Cardiff - 3 Hull - 0 Middlesboro - 1 Barnsley - 3 Birmingham - 3 Brentford - 1 Away QPR - 3 Blackburn -1 Luton - 3 Reading - 3 Wigan - 3 Leeds - 0 Bristol City - 0 Forest - 1 But will it be enough to be 12th club in the division in May? Does it matter, as long as we aren't the 22nd, 23rd or 24th? I predicted 12th, and there's still a minor chance.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Feb 8, 2020 10:41:41 GMT
Does it matter, as long as we aren't the 22nd, 23rd or 24th? I predicted 12th, and there's still a minor chance. Fair enough, I'd settle for 21st now!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 8, 2020 11:56:43 GMT
i'm sure that Luton, Wigan and Barnsley fans will be saying the same. Up till a couple of months ago we were massively underperforming. Up until our last game we were looking a lot better and with the addition of Chester and Campbell returning we are a lot better side. I think if we perform to the level we can we'll stay up. Our biggest problem will be complacency.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 8, 2020 17:11:44 GMT
Where are those 16 points coming from 🤣
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Post by nonameface on Feb 8, 2020 17:48:27 GMT
i'm sure that Luton, Wigan and Barnsley fans will be saying the same. Up till a couple of months ago we were massively underperforming. Up until our last game we were looking a lot better and with the addition of Chester and Campbell returning we are a lot better side. I think if we perform to the level we can we'll stay up. Our biggest problem will be complacency. This. Hopefully the present form stays until the end of the season, it would go along way to keeping any players we want or getting decent new ones in.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 8, 2020 18:25:50 GMT
The same place 3 points today came from...
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Feb 8, 2020 19:43:29 GMT
Calm down Oatcakes! Look at the teams around and below SCFC and compare the points that they have garnered in the time since MON had been with you, and you'll see that you will be OK. I've consistently said that you will stay up, and I've seen nothing in the last few round of games to cause me any concern. The 3 points you nicked at the Hawthorns may be instrumental in your survival (and cost WBA automatic promotion).
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 8, 2020 19:49:41 GMT
Stoke have been in play off form under O'Neill and Chester coming in to the side is a big improvement at the back. We will finish mid table no problems
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 8, 2020 19:58:51 GMT
I think 4 more wins should/will probably be enough.
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