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Post by thicknthin on Jan 20, 2020 23:10:13 GMT
Won away to the league leaders and only 1 player gets over 8 and 2 over 7, phhhwaaaaaaahh What the fuck should they get. We had 4 shots, with only one shot on target after Campbell scored. We were good defensively but WBA were poor. It's a great result but I think the marks are accurate and fair. I pretty much agree with you, but I thought Nick Powell was worth an extra point
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 23:10:40 GMT
Smith was very poor again. Offers zilch going forward and is a very average defender. Our worst player by a mile tonight. You and Bayern love banging this drum. He offered little going forward, alongside the rest of the team, that’s true. His ‘average’ defending helped to limit any real chances from a very good winger tonight though, and how many clean sheets has he now been part of since returning?
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 20, 2020 23:13:42 GMT
you guys are right, everyone deserves a 9 and has rainbows coming out of their arse stick to your guns mate....some people need to start accepting that other's opinions may be different from their own and that it is ok!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2020 23:16:48 GMT
Smith was very poor again. Offers zilch going forward and is a very average defender. Our worst player by a mile tonight. You and Bayern love banging this drum. He offered little going forward, alongside the rest of the team, that’s true. His ‘average’ defending helped to limit any real chances from a very good winger tonight though, and how many clean sheets has he now been part of since returning? A few. Also cost us points at 'Boro and Fulham. Like all of them he put himself on the line on occasion tonight but he's a total coward in possession and not a brilliant defender.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jan 20, 2020 23:20:17 GMT
In fairness to Gregory he got absolutely no service so he did all he could do and ran like the rest of them He had a great chance from Allen that he passed wide. His hold up play was woeful though, even though isolated he just kept losing the ball. Ok the chance he should’ve done better with and I’ll give you that But won a couple of free kicks and he kept running he’s done a dent job there in difficult circumstances
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 23:22:36 GMT
Butland - 9 Smith - 7 Batth - 9 Lindsay - 7 BMI - 7 Clucas - 6 Allen - 7.5 Powell - 7 Ince - 7 (6 if not for the assist) McClean - 6 Gregory - 5 Campbell - 9 Cousins - 6 Collins - 6
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 20, 2020 23:27:22 GMT
Great Team Effort!!!
Jack B - 8 great to see him getting back to his best. Loses a mark for ridiculous long high balls to Gregory that invariably put us under pressure. Why???? T Smith - 7 terrible going forward, but ok defensively for the most part. Bruno MI - 7 ok but some aimless punts out give me the creeps, thought his distribution was improving.... but slowly eh! Danny B - 9 commanding 2nd half especially, like having a tank at the back L Lindsay - 8 good defensively, can someone tell him he's not Franz Beckenbaeur though! Sam C - 6 poor first half when midfield was overrun.... better second half, bit lightweight and not very productive Joe A - 6 that first half was one his very worst ever, he was always wrong side of his man, and the free kick he gave away could have been very costly on the stroke of half time, much, much improved second half 4 for 1st half; 8 for 2nd half!!! TI - 7 great skill and determination for the goal worked really hard throughout J McClean - 6 - didn't get many crosses in, alot of hard work again Nick P - 8 he's classy there is no doubt great ball for the goal, always a threat when he's on the ball, could improve too! T Campbell - 8 - deserves 8 for the goal that won us the game, job done!!!....their defenders looked scared stiff of him before he went off......and he will be a massive loss
Gregory - 5 - crikey he's poor, worked hard ok, that's it, I wouldn't be surprised if I die before he scores another goal Collins n/a - well done lad though, solid when he came on, seemed very commanding Cousins n/a - did his job well.
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Post by harlequin on Jan 20, 2020 23:38:48 GMT
*6 is an average game with no errors *Anything over 8 is reserved for taking the game by the scruff of the neck
Campbell – 7.5 Well taken goal, others would have missed it Ince – 7 McClean – 6 closed down well Powell – 7 the curvature on that ball to Ince was a thing of beauty Allen – 7.5 consistent positive contributions, errors were made attempting risky passes Clucas – 6 didn’t impact the game but didn’t make any obvious errors. Smith – 6 Baath – 8.5 Imperious Lindsay – 6.5 weird rugby tackle that was unnecessary, but made up for it with a stalwart performance at the end BMI – 7 Butland – 7.5 several good saves
Gregory – 5.5 slightly reduced score because he didn’t hit the target when he was through on goal Cousins - 6 Collins – 6
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 21, 2020 9:00:23 GMT
Butland 7
Smith 6 Batth 8 Lindsay 6 Indi 6
Allen 6.5 Clucas 5
Ince 7 Powell 7 McClean 5
Campbell 8
Gregory 5 Cousins 6 Collins n/a due to the time he was on but he was awesome.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 21, 2020 9:02:34 GMT
Butland 9 Smith 7 Bruno 7 Batth 9 Lyndsey 8 Allen 8 Clucas 7 Powell 7 Ince 7 Campbell 8 McClean 8
Gregory 6 Cousins 7 Collins 7
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Post by RAF on Jan 21, 2020 9:33:35 GMT
Butland - 8 Smith - 6 Baath - 9 Lindsay - 7 BMI - 7 Allen - 6 Clucas - 5 Powell - 7 McLean - 5 Ince - 6 Campbell - 7
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Post by werrington on Jan 21, 2020 9:45:00 GMT
you guys are right, everyone deserves a 9 and has rainbows coming out of their arse stick to your guns mate....some people need to start accepting that other's opinions may be different from their own and that it is ok! That’s all fine and I agree with you but cmon eh We’ve just won away at top of the table West Brom and he marks half the team below 5 with some 2s and 3s in there You don’t win away with a superb spirited performance with half the team being accused of basically being shite
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 10:01:06 GMT
I don't know how anyone can say WBA were shit and then in the next breath say we were magnificent keeping them out. If they were shit we wouldn't have had to be magnificent. It was a backs to the wall team performance against a very good team for 70 minutes....we were the better team for the 1st 20. I mostly agree with Bayern's marks, although I feel ill agreeing with anything Bayern says 😁
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Post by redstriper on Jan 21, 2020 10:17:00 GMT
I'd give batth and allen 9, and the rest 8 - including gregory - he struggled to hold the ball up, but so did their guys against our defenders, he never stopped running and forced them into poor passes on a number of occasions. It was a huge team effort which started from the front, and deserves marking as such.
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Post by noustie on Jan 21, 2020 10:22:15 GMT
I think Smith gets a bit of a rough ride as very little came down their left last night and he has Ince in front of him who, although put a shift in last night, isn’t as good defensively as McClean on the other side.
On the other side McClean was almost playing wingback with Clucas sometimes even tracking their fullback and still more came down that side than Smith’s.
We pretty comfortably hung on last night which would have been unheard of two months ago. It seems harsh but the only player I would criticise would be Gregory because although he put a shift in everything he did with the ball just seemed to be absolutely pish.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jan 21, 2020 11:06:24 GMT
A few excellent individual performances - Baath, Butland, Lindsay) and a terrific team effort. Everybody happy with us winning away with 27% possession. Plenty of battling and scrapping and not a lot of good football. Seems to ring a bell
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 11:14:00 GMT
A few excellent individual performances - Baath, Butland, Lindsay) and a terrific team effort. Everybody happy with us winning away with 27% possession. Plenty of battling and scrapping and not a lot of good football. Seems to ring a bell If you're comparing last night to Pulis, how often did we win away at the league leaders ? Don't worry I know the answer ☺️
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Post by pavel on Jan 21, 2020 12:18:41 GMT
Butland - 9 commanding, safe hands and improved distribution. Back on track Smith - 7 didn’t do much wrong in a team which didn’t concede, some poor passing much like the rest of the team Baath - 9 commanding display Lindsay - 8 best I’ve seen him play, no don’t panic moments. Still played a couple of those flat header to opponents which he need to cut out but much improved BMI - 7 not a full back but steady, positioning still veers to centre back at times Allen - 9 much maligned, a captains performance, improved 2nd half and broke up play time and time again Clucas - 6 quiet game and anonymous at times but stuck at it, put himself about and made himself available McClean - 6 quiet game by his standards recently but put everything into it, not so much of an attacking threat but did everything else as part of the team Ince- 6 nice and perceptive pass for the goal, talent is there but still a little afraid of the ball, needs to be more positive. Yes he put a shift in and helped out defensively but rarely actually challenged his man. It looks better but he waits to challenge often rather than anticipating which generally mean he doesn’t get an actual tackle or header in, a bit passive but an improvement on his recent form Powell - 8 his pass made the goal in releasing Ince, getting better and better which each game, puts himself about and does the different. Quality player who is so important to us offensively. Campbell - 8 a natural finisher who scares defenders with pace and movement, his all round game is improving all the time, lays it off well and aware of his team mates around him
Subs Gregory - 7 did what he was asked to do and harried from the front and never stopped running. He’s not a lone striker. Collins - 7 cool headed when he came on, won important headers. I suspect the mark would be higher if he had played longer Cousins - 7 great block and did what he was asked to do but still worries me with his passing at times. Needs to keep it very simple.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 21, 2020 12:31:06 GMT
Butland - 9 Smith - 8 Batth - 8.5 Lindsay - 8.5 Indi - 8 Allen 8.5 Clucas - 7.5 Ince - 7.5 Powell 7.5 Mcclean - 7.5 Campbell 7/ Gregory - 7
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 21, 2020 12:38:18 GMT
Yeah Lindsay was the one for me that I'm singling out for praise. I've absolutely slaughtered him this season and compared him to Steven Tweed but last night he stood strong and did a very good job. He's never going to be a cultured centre half but hopefully some confidence is coming into his game and he can build on this. I'm really wanting to eat some humble pie with him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 21, 2020 13:03:55 GMT
Yeah Lindsay was the one for me that I'm singling out for praise. I've absolutely slaughtered him this season and compared him to Steven Tweed but last night he stood strong and did a very good job. He's never going to be a cultured centre half but hopefully some confidence is coming into his game and he can build on this. I'm really wanting to eat some humble pie with him. I didn’t think he was anything but ok last night tbh but since MON has come in he has looked a different player on the whole.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 21, 2020 13:10:54 GMT
Butland - 9 a couple poor clearances were his only blemish Smith - 5 defended well, was terrible on the front foot Batth - 9 MOTM, a few too many hoofballs early on but near-perfect outside of that Lindsay - 8 was much more physical in the box than usual, good on him BMI - 3 this dude is killin me with the backpasses and headers to no one Allen - 5 gave the ball away a ton, made an awful foul right outside the box, was looking the other way on crosses and then corrected most of it in the 2nd half Clucas - 3 outside of giving away possession I barely noticed him Ince - 8 thought he worked hard at both ends Powell - 8 showed some good skill and was hungry McClean - 8 a model of consistency Campbell - 9 I didn't really appreciate his value until Gregory came on Gregory - 2 only had a few chances and botched them all didn't really pay attention to Cousins or Collins This is a joke yeh, or maybe you've never seen a game before.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 13:12:25 GMT
A few excellent individual performances - Baath, Butland, Lindsay) and a terrific team effort. Everybody happy with us winning away with 27% possession. Plenty of battling and scrapping and not a lot of good football. Seems to ring a bell Certainly doesn't with Pulis, winning away? Don't remember him being too interested in that.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jan 21, 2020 17:55:56 GMT
Butland - 9 a couple poor clearances were his only blemish Smith - 5 defended well, was terrible on the front foot Batth - 9 MOTM, a few too many hoofballs early on but near-perfect outside of that Lindsay - 8 was much more physical in the box than usual, good on him BMI - 3 this dude is killin me with the backpasses and headers to no one Allen - 5 gave the ball away a ton, made an awful foul right outside the box, was looking the other way on crosses and then corrected most of it in the 2nd half Clucas - 3 outside of giving away possession I barely noticed him Ince - 8 thought he worked hard at both ends Powell - 8 showed some good skill and was hungry McClean - 8 a model of consistency Campbell - 9 I didn't really appreciate his value until Gregory came on Gregory - 2 only had a few chances and botched them all didn't really pay attention to Cousins or Collins This is a joke yeh, or maybe you've never seen a game before. You do realize you can get 3 points despite some individual bad performances within the squad, yes? Smith gave the ball away in the midfield and final third numerous times, but he defended well so he gets a right down the middle 5. BMI headed and hoofed the ball to no one instead of controlling possession throughout the entire game, so he gets a 3 despite also defending well. Allen had a shite 1st half and a good 2nd half so he gets a 5. Clucas was invisible the entire game, don't see why he deserves anything but a low score. Gregory got the ball in a good position to score 3x and wasn't close with any of them. Everyone else I gave great marks, sorry I didn't lick every single player's arse.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 22, 2020 1:05:54 GMT
This is a joke yeh, or maybe you've never seen a game before. You do realize you can get 3 points despite some individual bad performances within the squad, yes? Smith gave the ball away in the midfield and final third numerous times, but he defended well so he gets a right down the middle 5. BMI headed and hoofed the ball to no one instead of controlling possession throughout the entire game, so he gets a 3 despite also defending well. Allen had a shite 1st half and a good 2nd half so he gets a 5. Clucas was invisible the entire game, don't see why he deserves anything but a low score. Gregory got the ball in a good position to score 3x and wasn't close with any of them. Everyone else I gave great marks, sorry I didn't lick every single player's arse. Ha, ha, ha, silly arse. Were you actually there?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 22, 2020 6:09:30 GMT
Butland 8 Smith 7 Indi 7 Lindsay 7 Batth 8.5 Clucas 7 Allen 8.5 Powell 7 McClean 6 Ince 7 Campbell 8
Subs: Gregory 5 Cousins 7 Collins 7
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Post by britvic72 on Jan 22, 2020 6:28:41 GMT
Butland 8 Smith 7 Indi 6 poor positioning forced McClean to virtually play WB Lindsay 6 got caught out a couple of times Batth 9 immense Clucas 7 Allen 8 better 2nd half than 1st Powell 7 good reading of the game and great pass to Ince for our goal McClean 7 less effective going forward as had to track back so much to cover Indi Ince 7 mainly for the assist & a couple of robbing the ball off their attack moments when they looked dangerous Campbell 8 did what good strikers do
Subs:- all did their jobs in limited time Gregory 6 Cousins 6 Collins 6
Fans 10 - immense and never stopped getting behind the team 👏👏
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Jan 22, 2020 9:15:36 GMT
This is a joke yeh, or maybe you've never seen a game before. You do realize you can get 3 points despite some individual bad performances within the squad, yes? Smith gave the ball away in the midfield and final third numerous times, but he defended well so he gets a right down the middle 5. BMI headed and hoofed the ball to no one instead of controlling possession throughout the entire game, so he gets a 3 despite also defending well. Allen had a shite 1st half and a good 2nd half so he gets a 5. Clucas was invisible the entire game, don't see why he deserves anything but a low score. Gregory got the ball in a good position to score 3x and wasn't close with any of them. Everyone else I gave great marks, sorry I didn't lick every single player's arse. There’s a real lack of understanding on some players roles in what they are asked to do for the team, Clucas was obviously asked to sit in, cover space, break up play, pick up players, nearly all of which can be done without the ball and the fact you didn’t notice him doesn’t mean he had a bad game, he did what the team needed. (Hate to have seen your ratings for earlier games this season...)
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 23, 2020 3:06:56 GMT
This is a joke yeh, or maybe you've never seen a game before. You do realize you can get 3 points despite some individual bad performances within the squad, yes? Smith gave the ball away in the midfield and final third numerous times, but he defended well so he gets a right down the middle 5. BMI headed and hoofed the ball to no one instead of controlling possession throughout the entire game, so he gets a 3 despite also defending well. Allen had a shite 1st half and a good 2nd half so he gets a 5. Clucas was invisible the entire game, don't see why he deserves anything but a low score. Gregory got the ball in a good position to score 3x and wasn't close with any of them. Everyone else I gave great marks, sorry I didn't lick every single player's arse. Having asked if you were at the game and not receiving a reply, I'm guessing you were not.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jan 23, 2020 17:15:10 GMT
It’s about a 12 hour flight from San Francisco, so no I didn’t make it.
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