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Post by thicknthin on Feb 9, 2020 0:27:59 GMT
Still don’t understand why he is being hounded for Derby more than any other. Allen has been phenomenal since O’Neill has come in but him and Clucas were fucking shit scared of Rooney all game, why aren’t they being hounded to the degree Powell is? Derby was a collectively bad performance, it’s unfair to single someone out. The games where we’ve played well however, Powell has directly influenced with a goal, a pre assist or an assist. He’s a creative outlet in a squad full of workmanlike midfielders. If he can stay injury free, there is a quality player in there. He’s only 25 remember. Spot on!
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 9, 2020 0:33:38 GMT
It would seem that Powell is our new Ince or Allen. Pathetic, if you ask me.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Feb 9, 2020 3:02:22 GMT
If Powell played great every game he would be a prem player since Mon come in he's been excellent and oh yh injury free
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Post by rawli on Feb 9, 2020 6:47:14 GMT
Still don’t understand why he is being hounded for Derby more than any other. Because some people have already made their minds up so anything that can back up their failing argument will be jumped on. Just wait until he's injured again. They'll be back on say 'I told you he was a sicknote'
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 9, 2020 8:10:21 GMT
Absolutely non plussed by the negative opinions of Powell on this thread. How anyone can watch how he's played since Xmas and not be impressed is beyond me. He's a quality footballer. Keep him fit and he's easily one of the best players in the league. Imagine if we go up how good he’d be with better players too. A few times yesterday Ince didn’t read what he was trying to do.
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 9, 2020 8:12:23 GMT
Utter bollocks. Lightweight? Really? Far from lightweight think he as probably shocked us all with how much he is willing put himself about, better work rate than i expected as well always been class love how he just dont really give a shit for the opposition not afraid to wind anybody up the kind of player that makes heads go like said by a few on here one of the most talented players in the whole division His shithousery is the thing I like most about him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 8:19:50 GMT
Still don’t understand why he is being hounded for Derby more than any other. Because some people have already made their minds up so anything that can back up their failing argument will be jumped on. Just wait until he's injured again. They'll be back on say 'I told you he was a sicknote' He's actually been fit most of the season, did get a knock on day one, but was soon fit, but had a run in with Jones who then refused to play him.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 9, 2020 8:28:02 GMT
Because some people have already made their minds up so anything that can back up their failing argument will be jumped on. Just wait until he's injured again. They'll be back on say 'I told you he was a sicknote' He's actually been fit most of the season, did get a knock on day one, but was soon fit, but had a run in with Jones who then refused to play him. What happened with this run in? Absolutely shows that Jones ego was that big he was willing to leave out arguably our best player because of a clash. Talk about cutting your own throat.
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Post by rawli on Feb 9, 2020 8:30:12 GMT
Because some people have already made their minds up so anything that can back up their failing argument will be jumped on. Just wait until he's injured again. They'll be back on say 'I told you he was a sicknote' He's actually been fit most of the season, did get a knock on day one, but was soon fit, but had a run in with Jones who then refused to play him. Brilliant. Didn't know that. Proving what a cretin the previous manager was.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 9, 2020 9:25:59 GMT
Made a lot of runs yesterday trying to get things going. He needs Campbell to play with him and he gets the best out of Ince and McLean when they play as a four.
It was a good header for the opener yesterday.
He's going to have bad games in the future or games where it doesn't happen for him, as they all do. Just hope he doesn't get the same nonsense about him being weak and lazy.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 9, 2020 10:32:56 GMT
Nice solid 8/10 today, good goal, an assist and worked hard. Has some way to go to make up for his appalling languid, disinterested display against Derby, though. Don't really get the love-in with this guy, has done little to convince me. If he was really 'Premier League level' then he wouldn't have played all of his career for the likes of Crewe and Wigan. The reality is that performances like today have not been the norm. If he can find consistency then he might be the answer. Jury firmly out. Oh, for the record, I was a great fan of Arnautovic, Bojan and Bjarni. All of these players regularly influenced games, and rarely did a game pass them by. Arnie 1 good game in 4 and Bojan and Bjarni were the epitomy of decent once in a while players at different levels for us. Powell is our best footballer (not our best player) but the best footballer we have. So much of our support laud average ability players cus they work hard, which is what every fuckin player should do anyway!!!. Everything powell does wont come off but at least he is always trying to create rather than sidewards back, sideways, back. He has got quality let MON use him as he sees fits and get the best out of the lad. We have got a quality player here Are we seriously going to rewrite history about Bojan and Arnautovic again? I won’t argue, but you are just plain wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 10:38:25 GMT
He's a class player. He's got good movement, and an excellent football brain. The back-post header yesterday for McClean's goal was better than he's been given credit for.
Yesterday he won more than his share of headers, which his height allows him to do.
He was poor at Derby, yes, so were several others.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 9, 2020 10:43:16 GMT
He's a class player. He's got good movement, and an excellent football brain. The back-post header yesterday for McClean's goal was better than he's been given credit for. Yesterday he won more than his share of headers, which his height allows him to do. He was poor at Derby, yes, so were several others. That back post header was an impressive combination of movement, skill and bravery. He’s a class player.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2020 10:51:16 GMT
He's a class player. He's got good movement, and an excellent football brain. The back-post header yesterday for McClean's goal was better than he's been given credit for. Yesterday he won more than his share of headers, which his height allows him to do. He was poor at Derby, yes, so were several others. That back post header was an impressive combination of movement, skill and bravery. He’s a class player. And it was a pass. Superb.
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Post by AlliG on Feb 9, 2020 11:02:59 GMT
He's a class player. He's got good movement, and an excellent football brain. The back-post header yesterday for McClean's goal was better than he's been given credit for. Yesterday he won more than his share of headers, which his height allows him to do. He was poor at Derby, yes, so were several others. That back post header was an impressive combination of movement, skill and bravery. He’s a class player. Any other Stoke player in that position and the ball goes out for a goal kick (either because they don't get there or it just bounces off their head). Was impressed by his strength and determination to both get to the ball and steer it across the face of goal. There were also a couple of occasions out on the touchline where he showed a little bit of acceleration to make himself a bit of space and he also makes us a much better counter-attacking team with his eye for a pass (as in the one yesterday where he ended up getting clattered on the halfway line).
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 9, 2020 11:17:47 GMT
His flick for Allen before Ince scored was brilliant.
Casual, simple but it takes a player of vision and technique to see and execute.
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Post by march4 on Feb 9, 2020 11:20:50 GMT
His flick for Allen before Ince scored was brilliant. Casual, simple but it takes a player of vision and technique to see and execute. Involved in all three goals yesterday. Set up the opener vs Swansea with a clever back flick. He is the reason we are suddenly scoring plenty of goals.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 9, 2020 11:21:32 GMT
Most chances created for us today - Powell Most attacking aerial duels won today - Powell Most attacking third passes today - Powell He was dispossessed once today, I appreciate you might not think he’s the best player ever but it just seems a very odd thing to say when he practically ran the game today and has been pretty brilliant since O’Neill has come in and he’s started playing regularly. Our form puts us in a playoff place since he came and Powell has been behind so much of it. he was but on Monday against Derby he was almost anonymous. Im not a fan and i think that for the 40k wages he is on we can do better, much better. They were all anonymous on Monday night in fact I'd go so far to say that not one player turned up!
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 9, 2020 11:22:25 GMT
It was noticeably how we had obviously pushed Powell further up to challenge for long balls whilst Campbell dropped deeper. I think Campbell although still developing offers way more than Vokes etc in link up play and movement. He will have good and bad days but is certainly worth persevering with centrally for the remaining games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 11:45:09 GMT
Powell is awesome but I believe is a confidence player. His goal and assist will do him no harm at all.
I think he can 100% be a crowd favourite, he makes things happen and will be our talisman - I’m a massive fan, I think he’s the difference. Our midfield 3 (Allen, Clucas and Powell) is the best in the league (in my opinion).
If only we’d had MON from day one, playing this way. I think my mental health would’ve been much better since August.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Feb 9, 2020 11:45:56 GMT
Looking at the player ratings thread I see Powell gets mostly 6s, 7s and 8s for yesterday's performance. My 8/10 was at the upper end of the ratings I see.
There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about criticising Powell's dreadful performance against Derby. He gets judged harshly because he was a total passenger in that game, who strolled around like Rooney with absolutely none of Rooney's end product. You can never say that the likes of Allen lacks effort, work-rate or determination even if he plays poorly; the same cannot be said of Powell. If Powell has a poor game and doesn't break a sweat then he is open to criticism. Not sure why that is so controversial.
In my opinion he did not have good games against Swansea and Millwall, and had limited influence. Thankfully Powell had a good game yesterday, as he did against Huddersfield. Not spectacularly good, but good, as I said earlier. I hope he builds on yesterday's performance and consistently influences games rather than blowing hot and cold. He is in a critical position in the formation and the team relies on him for creativity. I think this is still an area of his game that he needs to work on, as he does not get on the ball in dangerous positions often enough. Let's see which Powell turns up against Preston.
Obviously the die is cast for some people, and Powell is 'one of the best players in the division' and 'Premier League level' despite his career not having been played at either the top of the Championship or anywhere in the Premier League (cameos at Man Utd do not count). So there is obviously not much point in having a sensible objective discussion on this thread without the usual internet hyperbole taking over. For that reason, I will bow out.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 9, 2020 13:50:38 GMT
Looking at the player ratings thread I see Powell gets mostly 6s, 7s and 8s for yesterday's performance. My 8/10 was at the upper end of the ratings I see. There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about criticising Powell's dreadful performance against Derby. He gets judged harshly because he was a total passenger in that game, who strolled around like Rooney with absolutely none of Rooney's end product. You can never say that the likes of Allen lacks effort, work-rate or determination even if he plays poorly; the same cannot be said of Powell. If Powell has a poor game and doesn't break a sweat then he is open to criticism. Not sure why that is so controversial. In my opinion he did not have good games against Swansea and Millwall, and had limited influence. Thankfully Powell had a good game yesterday, as he did against Huddersfield. Not spectacularly good, but good, as I said earlier. I hope he builds on yesterday's performance and consistently influences games rather than blowing hot and cold. He is in a critical position in the formation and the team relies on him for creativity. I think this is still an area of his game that he needs to work on, as he does not get on the ball in dangerous positions often enough. Let's see which Powell turns up against Preston. Obviously the die is cast for some people, and Powell is 'one of the best players in the division' and 'Premier League level' despite his career not having been played at either the top of the Championship or anywhere in the Premier League (cameos at Man Utd do not count). So there is obviously not much point in having a sensible objective discussion on this thread without the usual internet hyperbole taking over. For that reason, I will bow out. I’ve said neither of those things, just that I think he’s been terrific during O’Neill’s tenure which is entirely grounded in fact and measurable criteria. Against Swansea, he wasn’t at the top of his game but still made a meaningful contribution with a great bit of a skill and was involved in both goals. That’s his job. Allen and Clucas’ refusal to even try and close down Rooney is just as bad in my eyes. Running around to little effect or following the ball around isn’t effort IMO but I respect not everyone views it that way. He’s worth having in the squad because even when he’s not at his best he can still positively influence the game with a touch of class. If he can do that consistently, and stay injury free then he has the chance to become one of the better players in the division. That’s the IF though.
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 12, 2020 21:51:02 GMT
Well every time I see this guy play I think wtf are folk on about. Dross
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 21:52:13 GMT
Well every time I see this guy play I think wtf are folk on about. Dross Fucking hell classic oatcake, certain posters can't wait for a chance to be absolute weapons. Embarrassing.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 12, 2020 21:54:42 GMT
Well every time I see this guy play I think wtf are folk on about. Dross What were you up to on Saturday, anything nice?
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 12, 2020 21:58:25 GMT
Well every time I see this guy play I think wtf are folk on about. Dross What were you up to on Saturday, anything nice? So he has one good game in 5 n he’s fucking great. One word overfuckingrated
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 12, 2020 21:58:36 GMT
Well every time I see this guy play I think wtf are folk on about. Dross I got slaughtered on saturday for saying the same thing but we won then. Completely useless
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 12, 2020 21:59:10 GMT
Well every time I see this guy play I think wtf are folk on about. Dross Fucking hell classic oatcake, certain posters can't wait for a chance to be absolute weapons. Embarrassing. If I wa a bigger weapon than you I’d worry pal
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 12, 2020 22:01:22 GMT
What were you up to on Saturday, anything nice? So he has one good game in 5 n he’s fucking great. One word overfuckingrated Oh right, so he wasn't dross though?
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Post by jarhead on Feb 12, 2020 22:02:20 GMT
Said it before does nothing for me. Weak as piss.
Abysmal
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