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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:01:22 GMT
He passed to Allen. Allen then set up the goal. First half he was garbage. Second half marginally better than garbage. It was a bit more than “a pass”, it was a lovely flick round the corner with a backheel completely taking his man out of the game and giving Allen yards of space. But ok. The kind of deft touch and creativity we’ve not shown in years. When you say "we've not shown in years", how many years are you talking about?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 31, 2020 23:01:55 GMT
Are we saying tonight cancels out his recent good form then, when he’s basically been the difference between us being potent and watchable and Rowettball Mark 2? I'm certainly not saying that. It is the second game running where hes been infuriatingly poor and lazy, though. I don’t agree he was that against Swansea, I thought he had a good game and was intelligent and incisive. Without him the move for the first goal ends up being passed back towards Batth and Lindsay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:10:06 GMT
I'm certainly not saying that. It is the second game running where hes been infuriatingly poor and lazy, though. I don’t agree he was that against Swansea, I thought he had a good game and was intelligent and incisive. Without him the move for the first goal ends up being passed back towards Batth and Lindsay. It was one flick. Yes, it was clever and intelligent. I'm not accepting that as a trade off for the rest of the shit he produced though. And tonight he took it to all new levels of shitness. Very frustrating because he is clearly an extremely talented footballer. If only he had the application to go with it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 31, 2020 23:13:27 GMT
I don’t agree he was that against Swansea, I thought he had a good game and was intelligent and incisive. Without him the move for the first goal ends up being passed back towards Batth and Lindsay. It was one flick. Yes, it was clever and intelligent. I'm not accepting that as a trade off for the rest of the shit he produced though. And tonight he took it to all new levels of shitness. Very frustrating because he is clearly an extremely talented footballer. If only he had the application to go with it. ‘One flick’ that created a goal. Have you forgotten the last four years? I really wouldn’t undersell that, nobody else in the team would’ve come up with that ‘one flick’. His overall performance was good that game as well. Shit tonight but flair players tend to be hit and miss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:17:32 GMT
It was one flick. Yes, it was clever and intelligent. I'm not accepting that as a trade off for the rest of the shit he produced though. And tonight he took it to all new levels of shitness. Very frustrating because he is clearly an extremely talented footballer. If only he had the application to go with it. ‘One flick’ that created a goal. Have you forgotten the last four years? I really wouldn’t undersell that, nobody else in the team would’ve come up with that ‘one flick’. His overall performance was good that game as well. Shit tonight but flair players tend to be hit and miss. It didnt make a goal. It was a clever flick into another player a yard away. You can't make that moment the major contributing factor to the goal. Unless Clucas finds the back of the net from 20 yards with his weak foot, there is no goal. And unless Allen spots him and plays him in, theres no goal. How far back do you take it? It was a decent ball infield to Powell for the flick too.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 31, 2020 23:18:44 GMT
As poor as he was that run he went on was probably our beat moment of the night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:21:53 GMT
As poor as he was that run he went on was probably our beat moment of the night. It was great first half when he got the ball in acres of space. Ince overlapped in a great position. Powell completely missed it and cut back. He then cut back a couple of times more, and just turned aimlessly in circles. And then half arsedly kicked it straight to one of their players. A move which should have produced a goal or a great chance. Broken down into complete shit. And he didnt look remotely arsed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 31, 2020 23:22:21 GMT
‘One flick’ that created a goal. Have you forgotten the last four years? I really wouldn’t undersell that, nobody else in the team would’ve come up with that ‘one flick’. His overall performance was good that game as well. Shit tonight but flair players tend to be hit and miss. It didnt make a goal. It was a clever flick into another player a yard away. You can't make that moment the major contributing factor to the goal. Unless Clucas finds the back of the net from 20 yards with his weak foot, there is no goal. And unless Allen spots him and plays him in, theres no goal. How far back do you take it? It was a decent ball infield to Powell for the flick too..... I don’t see why not, it was the key moment to the move, one that completely took the nearest defender out of the game and created the space for Clucas to strike it. It’s something nobody else in the side would’ve done and I’ve watched us enough over the last few years to see us being all fart and no shit with nobody capable of making that final key pass to set up the chance.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 31, 2020 23:23:25 GMT
As poor as he was that run he went on was probably our beat moment of the night. It was great first half when he got the ball in acres of space. Ince overlapped in a great position. Powell completely missed it and cut back. He then cut back a couple of times more, and just turned aimlessly in circles. And then half arsedly kicked it straight to one of their players. A move which should have produced a goal or a great chance. Broken down into complete shit. And he didnt look remotely arsed. I didn't have him in our top 5 worst players. That's how fucking awful we were.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:25:20 GMT
It didnt make a goal. It was a clever flick into another player a yard away. You can't make that moment the major contributing factor to the goal. Unless Clucas finds the back of the net from 20 yards with his weak foot, there is no goal. And unless Allen spots him and plays him in, theres no goal. How far back do you take it? It was a decent ball infield to Powell for the flick too..... I don’t see why not, it was the key moment to the move, one that completely took the nearest defender out of the game and created the space for Clucas to strike it. It’s something nobody else in the side would’ve done and I’ve watched us enough over the last few years to see us being all fart and no shit with nobody capable of making that final key pass to set up the chance. What if Allen passes it back to him? Plays a one two? Or knocks it back out wide? Maybe we should start adding "assists for assists" to the stats columns. Or maybe we should start prioritising things that happened a couple of moves before, instead of praising a brilliant individual strike from distance. Powell was poor last game and pathetic tonight. Let's hope he actually tries next game, and gets back to somewhere near his best
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:25:42 GMT
What is he meant to do with Vokes infront of him to be fair. Can't wait for Campbell to return.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:26:02 GMT
It was great first half when he got the ball in acres of space. Ince overlapped in a great position. Powell completely missed it and cut back. He then cut back a couple of times more, and just turned aimlessly in circles. And then half arsedly kicked it straight to one of their players. A move which should have produced a goal or a great chance. Broken down into complete shit. And he didnt look remotely arsed. I didn't have him in our top 5 worst players. That's how fucking awful we were. He was literally our worst player. By a country mile.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 31, 2020 23:28:21 GMT
I didn't have him in our top 5 worst players. That's how fucking awful we were. He was literally our worst player. By a country mile. The defence Geriatric Rooney making absolute mugs out of Allen and Clucas. MCclean had two right boots on Ince. Well he was Ince. And Vokes. Fucking Sam Fucking Vokes! Jesus
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 31, 2020 23:28:27 GMT
I don’t see why not, it was the key moment to the move, one that completely took the nearest defender out of the game and created the space for Clucas to strike it. It’s something nobody else in the side would’ve done and I’ve watched us enough over the last few years to see us being all fart and no shit with nobody capable of making that final key pass to set up the chance. What if Allen passes it back to him? Plays a one two? Or knocks it back out wide? Maybe we should start adding "assists for assists" to the stats columns. Or maybe we should start prioritising things that happened a couple of moves before, instead of praising a brilliant individual strike from distance. Powell was poor last game and pathetic tonight. Let's hope he actually tries next game, and gets back to somewhere near his best So presumably you give him no credit for the ball he played to Ince at West Brom because that wasn’t a direct assist either? Come on mate, you watched enough football - and enough Stoke- to know better. Numerous times under numerous managers over the last few years we’ve huffed and puffed in the final third with no inspiration and created shit all. Just because it was one flick of the boot doesn’t make it less significant, nobody else in the side would’ve opened things up in an instant like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:33:16 GMT
What if Allen passes it back to him? Plays a one two? Or knocks it back out wide? Maybe we should start adding "assists for assists" to the stats columns. Or maybe we should start prioritising things that happened a couple of moves before, instead of praising a brilliant individual strike from distance. Powell was poor last game and pathetic tonight. Let's hope he actually tries next game, and gets back to somewhere near his best So presumably you give him no credit for the ball he played to Ince at West Brom because that wasn’t a direct assist either? Come on mate, you watched enough football - and enough Stoke- to know better. Numerous times under numerous managers over the last few years we’ve huffed and puffed in the final third with no inspiration and created shit all. Just because it was one flick of the boot doesn’t make it less significant, nobody else in the side would’ve opened things up in an instant like that. I've given him credit when due. Hes clearly a very talented footballer, and has plenty in the locker to make the difference. I genuinely believe he was garbage last time out. The flick was very clever, and hes clearly capable of those little fancy touches and moments of flare. I was very disappointed with him otherwise. And tonight was an extreme continuation of that. I accept the whole team was poor tonight, but he seemed to be the epitome of "dont care, not my shift" whilst the fans were shouting "THERES BEEN A RAPE OUT THERE!"
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 31, 2020 23:38:30 GMT
So presumably you give him no credit for the ball he played to Ince at West Brom because that wasn’t a direct assist either? Come on mate, you watched enough football - and enough Stoke- to know better. Numerous times under numerous managers over the last few years we’ve huffed and puffed in the final third with no inspiration and created shit all. Just because it was one flick of the boot doesn’t make it less significant, nobody else in the side would’ve opened things up in an instant like that. I've given him credit when due. Hes clearly a very talented footballer, and has plenty in the locker to make the difference. I genuinely believe he was garbage last time out. The flick was very clever, and hes clearly capable of those little fancy touches and moments of flare. I was very disappointed with him otherwise. And tonight was an extreme continuation of that. I accept the whole team was poor tonight, but he seemed to be the epitome of "dont care, not my shift" whilst the fans were shouting "THERES BEEN A RAPE OUT THERE!" He was poor tonight but I don’t understand these fans giving it the “he’s a Crewe wanker” shit as if tonight cancels out all the good games he’s had recently. Can’t agree about the last game, I thought his movement and use of the ball was very good. Overall, he’s the difference between this team being watchable and having a goal threat and being Rowettball 2.0.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 23:41:00 GMT
I've given him credit when due. Hes clearly a very talented footballer, and has plenty in the locker to make the difference. I genuinely believe he was garbage last time out. The flick was very clever, and hes clearly capable of those little fancy touches and moments of flare. I was very disappointed with him otherwise. And tonight was an extreme continuation of that. I accept the whole team was poor tonight, but he seemed to be the epitome of "dont care, not my shift" whilst the fans were shouting "THERES BEEN A RAPE OUT THERE!" He was poor tonight but I don’t understand these fans giving it the “he’s a Crewe wanker” shit as if tonight cancels out all the good games he’s had recently. Can’t agree about the last game, I thought his movement and use of the ball was very good. Overall, he’s the difference between this team being watchable and having a goal threat and being Rowettball 2.0. I'd still start him next game. Just because he is capable of being the difference. If hes as poor after 60 minutes though, I wouldn't hesitate to pull him. He seems the kind of player who is "on it", or completely garbage. Little inbetween.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 31, 2020 23:41:09 GMT
It was a bit more than “a pass”, it was a lovely flick round the corner with a backheel completely taking his man out of the game and giving Allen yards of space. But ok. The kind of deft touch and creativity we’ve not shown in years. When you say "we've not shown in years", how many years are you talking about? The last creative midfielder we had was probably Bojan? Powell’s obviously nowhere near that level but no one fits that mould other than him. Clucas, Fletcher, Allen, Etebo, N’Diaye, Cousins were/are all grafting types in the middle who aren’t really creative, focus on winning the ball back, don’t look to float into space, keep it simple. Woods was a deep lying CM who recycled the ball and due to our system and his confidence couldn’t get his passing game going that he had at Brentford. Adam barely featured towards the end of his career here, and relied entirely on his set piece delivery, he stopped making those drifting runs to the edge of the box like he did at his best. Stephen Ireland’s injuries took him out of contention, same with Afellay. Ireland in particular reminds me of Powell, again Ireland at his best for us (however brief) was better than Powell. Shaqiri was used outwide way more than he was centrally. So I’d say we’ve not consistently had a creative force in central midfield or central attacking midfield since late 2016?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 31, 2020 23:42:25 GMT
He was poor tonight but I don’t understand these fans giving it the “he’s a Crewe wanker” shit as if tonight cancels out all the good games he’s had recently. Can’t agree about the last game, I thought his movement and use of the ball was very good. Overall, he’s the difference between this team being watchable and having a goal threat and being Rowettball 2.0. I'd still start him next game. Just because he is capable of being the difference. If hes as poor after 60 minutes though, I wouldn't hesitate to pull him. He seems the kind of player who is "on it", or completely garbage. Little inbetween. Like most players of his type.
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Post by tomcmod on Feb 1, 2020 0:03:52 GMT
Powell was poor tonight but given his recent performances, as long as it is just tonight then can let it go. He was the only player to get close to Rooney, managed to get blocks and tackles in on him. Maybe it was because he is the only one with a football brain but he was the only player to get near him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 1, 2020 0:07:22 GMT
I think on song he is by far our most creative player, even tonight when he didn't seem up for it he showed our only real creativity and imagination. But it was obvious by half time that he wasn't interested and should have been given five minutes maximum of the second half to show improvement or be hauled off. And who goes down as if injured to say they need to change their boots? I thought at the time here we go, muscle injury, out for a month but no, he wanted to swap boots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 0:13:20 GMT
Absolutely woeful tonight however when he’s got vokes in front of him what do you expect. Powell and vokes should never ever start together up front. Or off each other. It was painful to watch. Powell needs a player who can make a clever run to pick out.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2020 0:17:26 GMT
Absolutely woeful tonight however when he’s got vokes in front of him what do you expect. Powell and vokes should never ever start together up front. Or off each other. It was painful to watch. Powell needs a player who can make a clever run to pick out. Without Campbell the whole Vokes up front thing depends on Powell being close to him when he can. Its genuinely a Nath like fish on a bicycle thing. Surprisingly poor from O'Neil thinking it could work away from home.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 1, 2020 0:22:30 GMT
I don't think Vokes works away from home but there was little choice today with Campbell injured and Gregory allegedly subject to a Cardiff offer. You could hardly expect O'Neil to plan playing a player who could possibly be in Cardiff rather than Derby by 8pm. Stupid to make teams play on transfer deadline day.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 1, 2020 0:51:58 GMT
Woeful tonight. Not sure if he was trying to be nonchalant but he looked disinterested and lazy. Not helped by having to play behind the human wardrobe and two utterly crap wingers either side.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 1, 2020 1:26:34 GMT
It was one flick. Yes, it was clever and intelligent. I'm not accepting that as a trade off for the rest of the shit he produced though. And tonight he took it to all new levels of shitness. Very frustrating because he is clearly an extremely talented footballer. If only he had the application to go with it. ‘One flick’ that created a goal. Have you forgotten the last four years? I really wouldn’t undersell that, nobody else in the team would’ve come up with that ‘one flick’. His overall performance was good that game as well. Shit tonight but flair players tend to be hit and miss. Indeed Rob. Tuncay was the last player we had who mastered "the flick".
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Feb 1, 2020 2:22:29 GMT
Woeful tonight. Not sure if he was trying to be nonchalant but he looked disinterested and lazy. Not helped by having to play behind the human wardrobe and two utterly crap wingers either side. This.
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Post by stokey spoon on Feb 1, 2020 3:05:44 GMT
He was literally our worst player. By a country mile. The defence Geriatric Rooney making absolute mugs out of Allen and Clucas. MCclean had two right boots on Ince. Well he was Ince. And Vokes. Fucking Sam Fucking Vokes! Jesus Hate Rooney, he’s old, he was class from start until subbed tonight! No denying he’s a massive asset to derby! Joe Allen was in his pocket
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 1, 2020 9:23:45 GMT
The defence Geriatric Rooney making absolute mugs out of Allen and Clucas. MCclean had two right boots on Ince. Well he was Ince. And Vokes. Fucking Sam Fucking Vokes! Jesus Hate Rooney, he’s old, he was class from start until subbed tonight! No denying he’s a massive asset to derby! Joe Allen was in his pocket Joe Allen was too scared to get near him. It was massively frustrating last night that Rooney was allowed to run the show and maybe mon should have put a man marker on him but I suppose we haven’t got anybody in the squad to do that. We haven’t got any get in your face tacklers there just can’t be arsed wimps
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2020 9:52:06 GMT
Hate Rooney, he’s old, he was class from start until subbed tonight! No denying he’s a massive asset to derby! Joe Allen was in his pocket Joe Allen was too scared to get near him. It was massively frustrating last night that Rooney was allowed to run the show and maybe mon should have put a man marker on him but I suppose we haven’t got anybody in the squad to do that. We haven’t got any get in your face tacklers there just can’t be arsed wimps Man mark Rooney should have been the main tactic tbh. Why can’t international “too good for Stoke”, great energy, desire and tackling skills Joe Allen do it? More to the point, why can’t he control a game from deep like Rooney did if he’s good?
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