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Jan 15, 2020 12:56:41 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 15, 2020 12:56:41 GMT
It seems to me that some Pakistani Muslims see young vulnerable white British girls as easy sexual victims and target them ( stating the obvious). I think that some people are disappointed on Labour's stance in particular because.... 1 These girls are overwhelmimgly from traditional Labour communities 2 They could be classed as victims of life, having few life chances and needing help....just the "type" of person that Labour usually champions in their quest for a fairer society.... Corbyn always seems to cite, the sick and disabled, the disadvantaged in society. 3 Given 1 and 2 it appears that Labour have largely been totally quiet on the issue....is that because of a totally misguided and disgraceful belief that by drawing attention to it would harm community coherence.....any other disadvantaged group would be at the forefront of Labour's crusade....particularly as it seems to have a racist element. What do we know of the situation in Stoke on Trent ? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-asian-muslim-across-country-uk-girls-children-women-bradford-rotherham-newcastle-a7987381.html“Nobody is saying that all Muslims commit abuse, but by saying it’s not an issue you’re silencing the victims,” she added. Ms Woodhouse, who is now 32, said she knew one girl who was “read statements from the Quran” while being raped and said she was made to eat halal, while Mad Ash wanted to make her his second wife under Sharia law. The proportion of white British victims of sexual exploitation prompted intense national debate in August, where the former director of public prosecution Lord McDonald called grooming a “profoundly racist crime”, despite a judge later finding victims in Newcastle were not targeted by race. You forgot no4 They didn't want to upset there voter base
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Jan 15, 2020 12:59:45 GMT
Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 15, 2020 12:59:45 GMT
Because it was a directive from Gordon Brown backed by the then Home Sec Jaqui Smith that told forces not to investigate because of the perpetrators race, religion and heritage. Also, the vast majority of these mass rape gangs were operating in poorer inner city areas which were/are majority controlled by Labour Council's and Labour MP's. "Home Sec Jaqui Smith that told forces not to investigate because of the perpetrators race, religion and heritage" link please. But to keep on about it being Labours fault deflects from his "concern"for the children. It doesn't fit right does it. His concern is for the children. At 02.05 in but it's all worth a listen. Nazir Afzal Interview
Funnily enough the first part of this interview isn't available on the BBC website Nazir Afzal - wiki
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Jan 15, 2020 13:09:06 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Jan 15, 2020 13:09:06 GMT
"Home Sec Jaqui Smith that told forces not to investigate because of the perpetrators race, religion and heritage" link please. But to keep on about it being Labours fault deflects from his "concern"for the children. It doesn't fit right does it. His concern is for the children. At 02.05 in but it's all worth a listen. Nazir Afzal Interview
Funnily enough the first part of this interview isn't available on the BBC website Nazir Afzal - wikiIve seen this before it isn't proof though is it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 15, 2020 13:26:56 GMT
It seems to me that some Pakistani Muslims see young vulnerable white British girls as easy sexual victims and target them ( stating the obvious). I think that some people are disappointed on Labour's stance in particular because.... 1 These girls are overwhelmimgly from traditional Labour communities 2 They could be classed as victims of life, having few life chances and needing help....just the "type" of person that Labour usually champions in their quest for a fairer society.... Corbyn always seems to cite, the sick and disabled, the disadvantaged in society. 3 Given 1 and 2 it appears that Labour have largely been totally quiet on the issue....is that because of a totally misguided and disgraceful belief that by drawing attention to it would harm community coherence.....any other disadvantaged group would be at the forefront of Labour's crusade....particularly as it seems to have a racist element. What do we know of the situation in Stoke on Trent ? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-asian-muslim-across-country-uk-girls-children-women-bradford-rotherham-newcastle-a7987381.html“Nobody is saying that all Muslims commit abuse, but by saying it’s not an issue you’re silencing the victims,” she added. Ms Woodhouse, who is now 32, said she knew one girl who was “read statements from the Quran” while being raped and said she was made to eat halal, while Mad Ash wanted to make her his second wife under Sharia law. The proportion of white British victims of sexual exploitation prompted intense national debate in August, where the former director of public prosecution Lord McDonald called grooming a “profoundly racist crime”, despite a judge later finding victims in Newcastle were not targeted by race. You forgot no4 They didn't want to upset there voter base In a way Wag , that's implied in my post......by not upsetting their Muslim vote it could be argued that they HAVE abandoned the traditional white working class.....and in so doing are entrenching the racial divide.
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Jan 15, 2020 15:25:51 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2020 15:25:51 GMT
Do you believe the police chose to cover up it off there own back Well poster rogerjones says it was Jacqui Smith so Im waiting for the proof.Proof not allegations. And you took a similar stance over Windrush and Grenfell of course.
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Jan 15, 2020 15:32:30 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 15, 2020 15:32:30 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 15, 2020 15:46:48 GMT
I would hope they are not but I think you are trying to say this happens all over the country, with county lines and drugs it is mainly gangs and large cities so it is not concentrated on kids in council care but yes the political colour of the council has minimal control / impact. The large scale grooming and sexual exploitation by mainly british muslim gangs seems to be so far concentrated in mostly northern towns which are mostly historically labour controlled and run so at some point who knew and did nothing should come out and they should do jail time for criminal negligence and lose jobs, pensions the lot. I find it unbelievable that they were not people in government who knew what was going on.
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Jan 15, 2020 15:57:00 GMT
Post by Eggybread on Jan 15, 2020 15:57:00 GMT
Well poster rogerjones says it was Jacqui Smith so Im waiting for the proof.Proof not allegations. And you took a similar stance over Windrush and Grenfell of course. If you want to talk about Windrush or Grenfell post on their thread.You can remind me of my opinions if you like.I wait with baited breath. Wild accusations and no proof in the Oatcake world.
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Post by Davef on Jan 15, 2020 16:29:33 GMT
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Jan 15, 2020 16:51:44 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Jan 15, 2020 16:51:44 GMT
what will the libtards say "Racist", the elephant in the room has to be recognised and discussed openly nothing should be off limits.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 15, 2020 17:01:17 GMT
It does seem like we are living in times when we have lost track of priorities and common sense.....at least it seems as though those who have become influential in public organisations have done so , possibly more concerned with not risking their own jobs. In cahoots with the media. From your link Dave.... "Think about this: we live in a time in which a middle-class woman’s complaint about overhearing a sexist joke or having a hand briefly placed on her knee becomes a huge scandal and can even dominate news coverage, and yet a vulnerable working-class girl can experience horrendous genuine abuse and a coroner, influenced by the view of social services, will refer to it as ‘sexual favours’."........I believe that the vast majority of people know what the priorities should be but this is not reflected by our leaders.
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Jan 15, 2020 17:39:25 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Jan 15, 2020 17:39:25 GMT
His concern is for the children. At 02.05 in but it's all worth a listen. Nazir Afzal Interview
Funnily enough the first part of this interview isn't available on the BBC website Nazir Afzal - wikiIve seen this before it isn't proof though is it. A circular from the Home Office in 2008 to all Police Forces, what more proof do you need want, who was in government when this instruction was sent out ? do you believe that if this had been White Christian men targeting Muslim underage girls would it have been covered up by the authorities ? why do you believe has it taken up to ten years to bring these cases to court ?
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Jan 15, 2020 17:50:33 GMT
Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2020 17:50:33 GMT
Come on now bath you're better than that The problem will never go away whilst one of those poor children is still breathing The genie is about to escape the bottle and the lid is lost Point is you are using it politically. Labour this labour that.From this mornings listen the dibble are more to blame than anyone. It's a three way thing. Social workers, Labour councillors and the police together with whoever gave instructions from on high. A fair proportion of these poor girls were in council "care" and I'm not sure that that's the correct word to use. The police will get away with it because that's what happens. It's heading for the long grass.
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2020 17:58:51 GMT
Put to death by racist paedophiles who apart from the sexual abuse gave her a final lethal injection of heroin. Under the noses of public servants put there to care for her who made the assumption along with the police that this poor girl was in charge of her own life. Asking for it. I don't know how these people sleep at night. On a similar subject the BBC have devoted two hours over the last two nights on "historic" abuse within the Church of England. Staggering omission that Lambeth Palace kept a "naughty Boys".... their words.... file on their paedophiles up to bishop level. These were kept from the police for a couple of decades enabling the perpetrators to carry on their abuse. Georege Carey's hands are all over this. This piece of scum sits in the House of Lords he should be in Belmarsh.
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2020 18:13:25 GMT
I watched the BBC this morning and they had a lady on their who was really on the ball regarding this.One thing amongst many interesting facts was that Rochdale council are still not co-operating and releasing the relevant documents.It seems as though social workers were reporting the cases but for a number of reasons they were not followed through with the police putting tremendous pressure on the social workers to drop the cases.With race and social class being the main issues for not proceeding. Yes she's an ex Manchester police officer who resigned at the time over the handling of the abuse Maggie Oliver, she should be up for the highest public service award that the country can offer. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-51122331
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Jan 15, 2020 18:23:32 GMT
Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2020 18:23:32 GMT
"Home Sec Jaqui Smith that told forces not to investigate because of the perpetrators race, religion and heritage" link please. But to keep on about it being Labours fault deflects from his "concern"for the children. It doesn't fit right does it. His concern is for the children. At 02.05 in but it's all worth a listen. Nazir Afzal Interview
Funnily enough the first part of this interview isn't available on the BBC website Nazir Afzal - wikiDamning isn't it. “you may not know this but back in 2008 the Home office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying ‘as far as these young girls who are being exploited in towns and cities, we believe that they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it is not for you police officers to get involved in.’”
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 15, 2020 18:32:16 GMT
His concern is for the children. At 02.05 in but it's all worth a listen. Nazir Afzal Interview
Funnily enough the first part of this interview isn't available on the BBC website Nazir Afzal - wikiDamning isn't it. “you may not know this but back in 2008 the Home office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying ‘as far as these young girls who are being exploited in towns and cities, we believe that they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it is not for you police officers to get involved in.’” You'd think so but apparently Eggysmell doesn't think that the comments of a former Public Prosecutor and OBE recipient are actual "proof".
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2020 18:40:53 GMT
Damning isn't it. “you may not know this but back in 2008 the Home office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying ‘as far as these young girls who are being exploited in towns and cities, we believe that they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it is not for you police officers to get involved in.’” You'd think so but apparently Eggysmell doesn't think that the comments of a former Public Prosecutor and OBE recipient are actual "proof". I don't think he's even listened to what the man has to say.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 15, 2020 18:45:42 GMT
I think in addition to an enquiry into what has happened historically.......with some urgency the Home Office should issue some " directive/ memo" to all Police forces ( similar to social services) , that this issue should be given absolute top priority.....ie ......Every police area should be asked to report on the action that they are NOW taking to address the following....is the issue still going on NOW, What are they doing to ensure that it isn't going on now, what are their plans for the future. It should be achievable to proactively visit every children's home in a reasonable amount of time.....perhaps diverting any resources that are currently committed to on-line offences or those investigations which involve people being " offended" ...if indeed resources are directed that way.
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2020 19:15:22 GMT
I think in addition to an enquiry into what has happened historically.......with some urgency the Home Office should issue some " directive/ memo" to all Police forces ( similar to social services) , that this issue should be given absolute top priority.....ie ......Every police area should be asked to report on the action that they are NOW taking to address the following....is the issue still going on NOW, What are they doing to ensure that it isn't going on now, what are their plans for the future. It should be achievable to proactively visit every children's home in a reasonable amount of time.....perhaps diverting any resources that are currently committed to on-line offences or those investigations which involve people being " offended" ...if indeed resources are directed that way. Just to pick up on a point here BJR which was emphasised on the BBC programme last night it's not "historic" abuse for the victims. It was made perfectly clear from the survivors that they live with it every day. The young man at the centre of the original police investigation was villified by the Church of England led from the very top and called out as a liar. 20 years later when the withheld correspondence was made available and the police made contact with him he committed suicide rather than go through the ordeal again having been victimised originally by the church paedophiles and the police investigation which resulted in a cauction
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 15, 2020 19:32:27 GMT
I think that Ryan makes an excellent point in respect of this charter issued by the Muslim council of Britain. It is in the interest of the Muslim community in this country to root out this cancer within their own community....to avoid tarring everyone with the same brush and to show their allegiance to the values of their country.....presuming that the UK is their country and that they have allegiance to those values.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 16, 2020 8:55:02 GMT
Damning isn't it. “you may not know this but back in 2008 the Home office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying ‘as far as these young girls who are being exploited in towns and cities, we believe that they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it is not for you police officers to get involved in.’” You'd think so but apparently Eggysmell doesn't think that the comments of a former Public Prosecutor and OBE recipient are actual "proof". My eldest granddaughter is 8 years old and she uses phrases like smell to describe things she does not like.In future I will assume you are of school age so therefore I will treat you the same as my granddaughter..
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Jan 16, 2020 13:13:47 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 16, 2020 13:13:47 GMT
Some of the perpetrators clearly have a wider disdain for the UK. How can anyone defend discriminate bombers . I wonder how widespread this feeling is amongst the Pakistani Muslim community? Where do their sympathies lie? www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/shabir-ahmed-grooming-gang-rochdale-13647304The jailed predator who led the Rochdale child sex grooming gang has been found guilty of repeatedly stamping on an elderly fellow inmate’s face and head following a row about the Brussels terror attacks. Evil Shabir Ahmed, 64, from Oldham, flew into a rage when he heard another prisoner say the bombers should be ‘eradicated’ on the morning of the suicide bombings in Belgium which left 32 victims dead and 340 injured.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 16, 2020 13:26:13 GMT
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Jan 16, 2020 13:29:37 GMT
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Jan 16, 2020 15:21:10 GMT
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Jan 16, 2020 17:34:13 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 16, 2020 17:34:13 GMT
It's in the interest of Muslims in this country to be seen to be taking a lead in trying to sort this out....
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Post by felonious on Jan 16, 2020 18:09:32 GMT
It's in the interest of Muslims in this country to be seen to be taking a lead in trying to sort this out.... Tip of the iceberg.
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Jan 16, 2020 19:18:49 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Jan 16, 2020 19:18:49 GMT
It's in the interest of Muslims in this country to be seen to be taking a lead in trying to sort this out.... Tip of the iceberg. I have a feeling that what is underneath will be exposed very soon and not before time.
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Jan 16, 2020 19:38:10 GMT
Post by henry on Jan 16, 2020 19:38:10 GMT
I have a feeling that what is underneath will be exposed very soon and not before time. The biggest scandal this country has ever seen. A women on the news last (possibly newsnight) said she had been raped over 100 times, 100 fucking times.
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