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Post by theteacher on Jan 12, 2020 13:04:06 GMT
IMO if we can move Gregory’s wages from the wage budget we should. We need to clear the decks of the “almost” players and make room for either recruited starters or youth (either our own or loaned).
Would be worth trying Campbell in the main striker role now that he is lasting longer during games. Having said that I do not want to see Tom Ince on the right.
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Post by lordb on Jan 12, 2020 13:07:27 GMT
IMO if we can move Gregory’s wages from the wage budget we should. We need to clear the decks of the “almost” players and make room for either recruited starters or youth (either our own or loaned). Would be worth trying Campbell in the main striker role now that he is lasting longer during games. Having said that I do not want to see Tom Ince on the right. Ngoy, Verlinden and Diouf (as well as Campbell). Absolutely no need to play Ince
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 12, 2020 15:01:10 GMT
IMO if we can move Gregory’s wages from the wage budget we should. We need to clear the decks of the “almost” players and make room for either recruited starters or youth (either our own or loaned). Would be worth trying Campbell in the main striker role now that he is lasting longer during games. Having said that I do not want to see Tom Ince on the right. Ngoy, Verlinden and Diouf (as well as Campbell). Absolutely no need to play Ince I like Ince, but must admit he has got worse and worse. His self belief seems to be gone and I really think he needs a move to kickstart his career again, but who is willing to dish out £6-8M for him right now? ....or are we willing to take another big loss of money to offload him on the cheap?
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 12, 2020 15:13:38 GMT
Ngoy, Verlinden and Diouf (as well as Campbell). Absolutely no need to play Ince I like Ince, but must admit he has got worse and worse. His self belief seems to be gone and I really think he need a move to kickstart his career again, but who is willing to dish out £6-8M for him right now? ....or are we willing to take another big loss of money to offload him on the cheap? I liked him yesterday because he wasn’t on the pitch.
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Post by biglad180 on Jan 12, 2020 15:24:09 GMT
if lee Gregory did move would we get a fee for him?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 12, 2020 16:43:55 GMT
I like Ince, but must admit he has got worse and worse. His self belief seems to be gone and I really think he need a move to kickstart his career again, but who is willing to dish out £6-8M for him right now? ....or are we willing to take another big loss of money to offload him on the cheap? I liked him yesterday because he wasn’t on the pitch.
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Post by rawli on Jan 12, 2020 16:47:34 GMT
I think Vokes should score plenty second half of the season, however if Gregory gets sold, Hogan goes back and he seems reluctant to use Diouf then a loan signing should be a priority. I still think we should sign Gayle on loan Gayle started for 'castle yesterday and is out for a month injured. Complete non-starter that one I think. Plus the fact he wants stupid money.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2020 17:07:50 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51112571Cardiff are set to drop their interest in Wigan striker Kieffer Moore. Latics manager Paul Cook revealed last week they had rejected a bid from the Bluebirds for the 27-year-old. Cardiff will not be following up their initial approach for the Wales striker and will look at other options as they bid to strengthen in January.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 14, 2020 17:16:52 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51112571Cardiff are set to drop their interest in Wigan striker Kieffer Moore. Latics manager Paul Cook revealed last week they had rejected a bid from the Bluebirds for the 27-year-old. Cardiff will not be following up their initial approach for the Wales striker and will look at other options as they bid to strengthen in January. so do you think Gregory has been made available FM?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2020 17:27:21 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51112571Cardiff are set to drop their interest in Wigan striker Kieffer Moore. Latics manager Paul Cook revealed last week they had rejected a bid from the Bluebirds for the 27-year-old. Cardiff will not be following up their initial approach for the Wales striker and will look at other options as they bid to strengthen in January. so do you think Gregory has been made available FM? Wouldn't think we'd be massively against it if we knew we could bring in someone a bit different to challenge Vokes, would you? MON doesn't seem to be a massive fan and he must be on £1m-a-year. Suppose for Harris, it'd be a bringing in a sure thing he loved working with. But wasn't the main reason he came to us to be nearer to Sheffield? So who knows? ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2020 17:29:37 GMT
Think this would be borderline insane with what would likely be on offer in the January window with our budget.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 17:34:45 GMT
It's quite simple. If we sell Gregory we have to bring in another striker, especially as Hogan is going also.
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2020 17:37:19 GMT
It's quite simple. If we sell Gregory we have to bring in another striker, especially as Hogan is going also. Do we? If we are playing one up top then ,Vokes, Campbell, Powell and Ngoy isn't a disaster To be fair if Hogan and Gregory did leave would open budget up for another player.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 14, 2020 17:37:41 GMT
If we play Vokes up front for the rest of the season without challenge, we will go down. Of that I'm absolutely certain. As a lone striker yes but get somebody alongside him and he’s a different animal A donkey?
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 14, 2020 17:41:14 GMT
It's quite simple. If we sell Gregory we have to bring in another striker, especially as Hogan is going also. Pretty much looks like Campbell will go as well. He just waiting for the best offer he can get.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 14, 2020 18:03:30 GMT
It's quite simple. If we sell Gregory we have to bring in another striker, especially as Hogan is going also. Do we? If we are playing one up top then ,Vokes, Campbell, Powell and Ngoy isn't a disaster To be fair if Hogan and Gregory did leave would open budget up for another player. dont forget we’ve also got Diouf that can play anywhere in the front 3, and although like Gregory he’s not prolific he is more than ample back up
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 14, 2020 18:22:33 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51112571Cardiff are set to drop their interest in Wigan striker Kieffer Moore. Latics manager Paul Cook revealed last week they had rejected a bid from the Bluebirds for the 27-year-old. Cardiff will not be following up their initial approach for the Wales striker and will look at other options as they bid to strengthen in January. so do you think Gregory has been made available FM? Bye Lee
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 14, 2020 18:22:52 GMT
Yup, if the right offer arrived on the fax ( ! ) I think I'd do the deal given where we are and given we'll need to free up money, either for loans or for lowering the wage bill.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 18:23:58 GMT
Ngoy, Verlinden and Diouf (as well as Campbell). Absolutely no need to play Ince I like Ince, but must admit he has got worse and worse. His self belief seems to be gone and I really think he needs a move to kickstart his career again, but who is willing to dish out £6-8M for him right now? ....or are we willing to take another big loss of money to offload him on the cheap? If the alternative is watching his contract run down, whilst he's poncing around being wank, I'd take £3m now and have done with it. There is not a chance we're going to see anywhere near £10m of value from him, on or off the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 18:33:50 GMT
if lee Gregory did move would we get a fee for him? The player was signed on a free and has shown extremely limited ability as a striker, although he is a cert on penalties. We can hardly expect more than a nominal fee plus one more wage packet less.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2020 18:36:15 GMT
I like Ince, but must admit he has got worse and worse. His self belief seems to be gone and I really think he needs a move to kickstart his career again, but who is willing to dish out £6-8M for him right now? ....or are we willing to take another big loss of money to offload him on the cheap? If the alternative is watching his contract run down, whilst he's poncing around being wank, I'd take £3m now and have done with it. There is not a chance we're going to see anywhere near £10m of value from him, on or off the pitch. Even if we were willing to let him go on a free, you do wonder which level of club would be in for Ince though. I dread to think what kind of wage he's on for the next two and a half years. £20k? £25k? And the Championship seems a financial wasteland with everyone in constant fear of FFP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 18:55:32 GMT
If the alternative is watching his contract run down, whilst he's poncing around being wank, I'd take £3m now and have done with it. There is not a chance we're going to see anywhere near £10m of value from him, on or off the pitch. Even if we were willing to let him go on a free, you do wonder which level of club would be in for Ince though. I dread to think what kind of wage he's on for the next two and a half years. £20k? £25k? And the Championship seems a financial wasteland with everyone in constant fear of FFP. He's a confidence player and there's a half decent footballer in there (very deep down.) If we can sell him, do it, but I don't consider him that lazy and if he can take a spell on the sidelines and is dropped into our squad when (if) it is performing well then I could see him recovering his career here to be a reasonable player.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 19:00:23 GMT
if lee Gregory did move would we get a fee for him? The player was signed on a free and has shown extremely limited ability as a striker, although he is a cert on penalties. We can hardly expect more than a nominal fee plus one more wage packet less. What we paid is completely irrelevant to the fee we might get for him
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Post by rawli on Jan 14, 2020 19:02:08 GMT
Am I the only Stoke supporter who likes him? Would rather retain him than Vokes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 19:07:04 GMT
Am I the only Stoke supporter who likes him? Would rather retain him than Vokes. In a two he'd be great but in a 4-3-3 which is what O'Neill favours, you need a striker who knows where the goal is and Gregory just ain't that.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 14, 2020 19:08:22 GMT
I also like him but MON seems to have concluded he won't provide the number of goals we need, his strike rate does make it difficult to argue with this line unless he is played in a front two which seems unlikely to happen.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 14, 2020 19:22:49 GMT
Even if we were willing to let him go on a free, you do wonder which level of club would be in for Ince though. I dread to think what kind of wage he's on for the next two and a half years. £20k? £25k? And the Championship seems a financial wasteland with everyone in constant fear of FFP. He's a confidence player and there's a half decent footballer in there (very deep down.) If we can sell him, do it, but I don't consider him that lazy and if he can take a spell on the sidelines and is dropped into our squad when (if) it is performing well then I could see him recovering his career here to be a reasonable player. Which, in one sense, is the very definition of a luxury player - and one we simply cannot afford currently (although lord knows what we do about it).
Both in £ terms and in terms of him not being someone who accepts the horlicks we find ourselves in, and who rolls up his sleeves to do his utmost to rectify the situation.
The very character you can see in Joe under MO'N & at last.
If we ever come out the other side of this particular pickle and there is ano full and thorough investigation (haha) into why what happened, happened and TS is still in a job, well, we all need to fook off up the Vale tbh.
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Post by Goonie on Jan 14, 2020 19:28:13 GMT
so do you think Gregory has been made available FM? Wouldn't think we'd be massively against it if we knew we could bring in someone a bit different to challenge Vokes, would you? MON doesn't seem to be a massive fan and he must be on £1m-a-year. Suppose for Harris, it'd be a bringing in a sure thing he loved working with. But wasn't the main reason he came to us to be nearer to Sheffield? So who knows? ? Blimey that last picture his missus looked rough😉
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 14, 2020 20:17:51 GMT
Get rid, he's already cost us a lot of points missing easy chances at crucial stages of matches. Charlton and sheff weds away stick out.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2020 21:42:20 GMT
so do you think Gregory has been made available FM? Wouldn't think we'd be massively against it if we knew we could bring in someone a bit different to challenge Vokes, would you? MON doesn't seem to be a massive fan and he must be on £1m-a-year. Suppose for Harris, it'd be a bringing in a sure thing he loved working with. But wasn't the main reason he came to us to be nearer to Sheffield? So who knows? ? Who's the fit blonde?
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