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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 30, 2020 7:42:55 GMT
Diouf spurned that many chances that we actually got relegated. When selling Butland and bringing in a half decent striker would probably have kept us up!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 8:23:03 GMT
Diouf is the way better option. If we can get rid of Gregory then we should. Of all the players you don't rate, you advocate Diouf. Wow 😂 Yeah imagine advocating the bloke who scored the most goals for us in the premier league in one season. He clearly has his limitations but he scores goals. He’s still probably the best all round striker we have on the books.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 8:31:01 GMT
Of all the players you don't rate, you advocate Diouf. Wow 😂 Yeah imagine advocating the bloke who scored the most goals for us in the league in one season. He clearly has his limitations but he scores goals. He’s still probably the best all round striker we have on the books. He's wank. Would you play him in front of Campbell? I sometimes wonder, in that season when Diouf was being our 'best-ever striker', how many a decent striker would have bagged, if we'd had one?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 8:47:59 GMT
Yeah imagine advocating the bloke who scored the most goals for us in the league in one season. He clearly has his limitations but he scores goals. He’s still probably the best all round striker we have on the books. He's wank. Would you play him in front of Campbell? I sometimes wonder, in that season when Diouf was being our 'best-ever striker', how many a decent striker would have bagged, if we'd had one? At the start of the season yes. After Campbell’s recent run, no. And that’s just a terrible argument. He did his job and he did it bloody well. Even in the relegation season he scored up front when no one else was. He has a great knack of being in the right place at the right time. I know his limitations but he still scores goals.
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2020 9:46:05 GMT
Yeah imagine advocating the bloke who scored the most goals for us in the league in one season. He clearly has his limitations but he scores goals. He’s still probably the best all round striker we have on the books. He's wank. Would you play him in front of Campbell? I sometimes wonder, in that season when Diouf was being our 'best-ever striker', how many a decent striker would have bagged, if we'd had one? When he had a cameo a few weeks ago, he won more headers in 5 minutes than Vokes had done for 75, and he scored a goal. Not sure why he disappeared from the squad again, he was the only one with a bit of pace. yes he isn't the best but he was a breath of fresh air in that game and has the pace to send the opposition defenders back 10 yards..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 9:48:00 GMT
He's wank. Would you play him in front of Campbell? I sometimes wonder, in that season when Diouf was being our 'best-ever striker', how many a decent striker would have bagged, if we'd had one? When he had a cameo a few weeks ago, he won more headers in 5 minutes than Vokes had done for 75, and he scored a goal. Not sure why he disappeared from the squad again, he was the only one with a bit of pace. yes he isn't the best but he was a breath of fresh air in that game and has the pace to send the opposition defenders back 10 yards.. He did and in his cameos so far he's shown way more to his all round game than anyone else who has played up front for us this season. Him and Campbell as a two would be lovely if. But one or the other should be the starter if we go with one up front.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:03:47 GMT
Of all the players you don't rate, you advocate Diouf. Wow 😂 Yeah imagine advocating the bloke who scored the most goals for us in the premier league in one season. He clearly has his limitations but he scores goals. He’s still probably the best all round striker we have on the books. At our peak we had Arnie, Bojan and Shaqiri... I would score goals infront of those three Bayern. I love Diouf as he grafted and gave everything for the shirt, a phenomenal attitude... He couldn't control a football well, his finishing with his feet was generally pretty poor and he contributed very little in the buildup.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 10:13:45 GMT
Yeah imagine advocating the bloke who scored the most goals for us in the premier league in one season. He clearly has his limitations but he scores goals. He’s still probably the best all round striker we have on the books. At our peak we had Arnie, Bojan and Shaqiri... I would score goals infront of those three Bayern. I love Diouf as he grafted and gave everything for the shirt, a phenomenal attitude... He couldn't control a football well, his finishing with his feet was generally pretty poor and he contributed very little in the buildup. I think that's doing him a massive disservice tbh. His control is toss. His finishing was fine generally. And his all round game is fine. Way better than the rest of the strikers we currently have in fact.
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Post by Macko on Jan 30, 2020 10:41:46 GMT
At our peak we had Arnie, Bojan and Shaqiri... I would score goals infront of those three Bayern. I love Diouf as he grafted and gave everything for the shirt, a phenomenal attitude... He couldn't control a football well, his finishing with his feet was generally pretty poor and he contributed very little in the buildup. I think that's doing him a massive disservice tbh. His control is toss. His finishing was fine generally. And his all round game is fine. Way better than the rest of the strikers we currently have in fact. Have you ever been to a Stoke match? I have to wonder because you talk such utter shit. Diouf is possibly the worst finisher we have had in the last 20 years! His missing of relatively simple chances was one amongst many prime reasons for our relegation, I know, I was there! Since what turned out to be a fluky run some years ago with goals, his finishing is appalling, his chance to goal ratio dreadful. He's a lovely bloke, but he is a busted flush as a reliable striker who will score. If were relying on Mama for goals for the rest of the season, it would put us back in the bottom three.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 10:45:34 GMT
I think that's doing him a massive disservice tbh. His control is toss. His finishing was fine generally. And his all round game is fine. Way better than the rest of the strikers we currently have in fact. Have you ever been to a Stoke match? I have to wonder because you talk such utter shit. Diouf is possibly the worst finisher we have had in the last 20 years! His missing of relatively simple chances was one amongst many prime reasons for our relegation, I know, I was there! Since what turned out to be a fluky run some years ago with goals, his finishing is appalling, his chance to goal ratio dreadful. He's a lovely bloke, but he is a busted flush as a reliable striker who will score. If were relying on Mama for goals for the rest of the season, it would put us back in the bottom three. I mean he's a way better finisher than the bloke named in this thread for a start. So that's clearly bullshit. It wasn't fluky. Look at his record in Germany.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:54:13 GMT
Bayern’s right, for all his faults Diouf is twice the player Gregory is......
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 30, 2020 10:58:12 GMT
Diouf is way better in the air for sure and looked quite lively when he came on Saturday. If Gregory went pre deadline I would be happy to go with him until end of season. I think MON will go with Campbell up top if fit until end of season.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 30, 2020 11:20:01 GMT
I'd get rid of Gregory tomorrow if it didn't mean the consequent over reliance on Fat arse Vokes. The way people have been duped by this character in recent weeks is phenomenal. He's garbage and a far bigger waste of money than Gregory could ever hope to be. Gregory may have been useless against West Brom but the manager rightly didn't bring Vokes on because they would have been able to build from the back at will because the bloke is about as mobile as a lead coffin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 11:23:54 GMT
I'd get rid of Gregory tomorrow if it didn't mean the consequent over reliance on Fat arse Vokes. The way people have been duped by this character in recent weeks is phenomenal. He's garbage and a far bigger waste of money than Gregory could ever hope to be. Gregory may have been useless against West Brom but the manager rightly didn't bring Vokes on because they would have been able to build from the back at will because the bloke is about as mobile as a lead coffin. He played well against Swansea.....
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 30, 2020 12:34:58 GMT
Diouf offers more than both Gregory and Vokes and every game he plays he gets chances. Yes he misses a lot but he also scores some and would comfortably out score the other two. He is also quicker than both of them and the best in the air of our forwards
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 30, 2020 12:46:16 GMT
At our peak we had Arnie, Bojan and Shaqiri... I would score goals infront of those three Bayern. I love Diouf as he grafted and gave everything for the shirt, a phenomenal attitude... He couldn't control a football well, his finishing with his feet was generally pretty poor and he contributed very little in the buildup. I think that's doing him a massive disservice tbh. His control is toss. His finishing was fine generally. And his all round game is fine. Way better than the rest of the strikers we currently have in fact. I love Diouf. But. His finishing was fine?!!!?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 13:05:36 GMT
I think that's doing him a massive disservice tbh. His control is toss. His finishing was fine generally. And his all round game is fine. Way better than the rest of the strikers we currently have in fact. I love Diouf. But. His finishing was fine?!!!? On the whole yeah. 1 in 3 in his only season as a regular striker. 6 goals in a really shite side that got relegated. It was generally fine.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 30, 2020 15:43:15 GMT
I love Diouf. But. His finishing was fine?!!!? On the whole yeah. 1 in 3 in his only season as a regular striker. 6 goals in a really shite side that got relegated. It was generally fine. I recall it being one of the weaker parts of his game. Particularly one on one. His heading was generally good to be fair. Couldn’t fault his effort and energy but composure was always a failing.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 30, 2020 15:55:31 GMT
The sidelining of Diouf by successive Stoke managers has always seemed a bit odd to me. He is a great bloke to have in the squad, loves the club, puts in 100% every game, will play wherever you ask him to, has pace and power, is a good header of the ball and has scored goals at a reasonable rate when given a decent run up front (although I feel bayern's view of his finishing ability is rather fanciful).
He is better than Gregory and Vokes, and was better than virtually all the others brought in to play ahead of him over the past few years too (Saido!!!!).
Are we all missing something that these managers can see?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 15:58:49 GMT
On the whole yeah. 1 in 3 in his only season as a regular striker. 6 goals in a really shite side that got relegated. It was generally fine. I recall it being one of the weaker parts of his game. Particularly one on one. His heading was generally good to be fair. Couldn’t fault his effort and energy but composure was always a failing. By fine, I mean ok. Not fine as in a fine wine, the more colloquial use. So I don't know if that helps!
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Post by geriatricoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 17:28:05 GMT
I don't like to knock Diouf because he always gives 100% but I'm convinced if we'd have had a half decent finisher (say Defoe for example) the season we went down we'd still be in Prem.
That being said, I think he could be a decent championship striker with his pace and aerial threat so I don't understand why he's been left out in the cold by every manager since Lambert...
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Post by Veritas on Jan 30, 2020 17:31:32 GMT
I don't like to knock Diouf because he always gives 100% but I'm convinced if we'd have had a half decent finisher (say Defoe for example) the season we went down we'd still be in Prem. That being said, I think he could be a decent championship striker with his pace and aerial threat so I don't understand why he's been left out in the cold by every manager since Lambert... It's because even poor managers can see that he is rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 18:07:26 GMT
When he had a cameo a few weeks ago, he won more headers in 5 minutes than Vokes had done for 75, and he scored a goal. Not sure why he disappeared from the squad again, he was the only one with a bit of pace. yes he isn't the best but he was a breath of fresh air in that game and has the pace to send the opposition defenders back 10 yards.. He did and in his cameos so far he's shown way more to his all round game than anyone else who has played up front for us this season. Him and Campbell as a two would be lovely if. But one or the other should be the starter if we go with one up front. You can’t really make that point from 3 or 4 minutes here or there of performance. Diouf is just as guilty as Gregory for missing sitters. He has little composure. He is great in the air though and if we had two consistent crossers on the wing, he would be my first choice, not including Campbell. But we don’t, and so we would be stuck there with another striker who falls over himself when he has to shoot with his feet.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 30, 2020 18:15:52 GMT
I don't like to knock Diouf because he always gives 100% but I'm convinced if we'd have had a half decent finisher (say Defoe for example) the season we went down we'd still be in Prem. That being said, I think he could be a decent championship striker with his pace and aerial threat so I don't understand why he's been left out in the cold by every manager since Lambert... It's because even poor managers can see that he is rubbish. Bollocks. He’s many things but rubbish he isn’t.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 30, 2020 18:21:49 GMT
As long as we play a lone striker I think Campbell, Vokes and Diouf should be more than OK at this stage of the season. I would let Gregory go, especially if we could get some money for him as well.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 30, 2020 18:21:50 GMT
Is Gregory going then?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 30, 2020 18:26:33 GMT
Not according to O’Neill today who said he didn’t anticipate anyone in the 1st team picture leaving
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2020 18:34:36 GMT
He did and in his cameos so far he's shown way more to his all round game than anyone else who has played up front for us this season. Him and Campbell as a two would be lovely if. But one or the other should be the starter if we go with one up front. You can’t really make that point from 3 or 4 minutes here or there of performance. Diouf is just as guilty as Gregory for missing sitters. He has little composure. He is great in the air though and if we had two consistent crossers on the wing, he would be my first choice, not including Campbell. But we don’t, and so we would be stuck there with another striker who falls over himself when he has to shoot with his feet. His record shows he’s a way better finisher that Gregory. Diouf is a proven top flight striker. Gregory was at his best in League One and has done ok in the Champo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 19:04:38 GMT
You can’t really make that point from 3 or 4 minutes here or there of performance. Diouf is just as guilty as Gregory for missing sitters. He has little composure. He is great in the air though and if we had two consistent crossers on the wing, he would be my first choice, not including Campbell. But we don’t, and so we would be stuck there with another striker who falls over himself when he has to shoot with his feet. His record shows he’s a way better finisher that Gregory. Diouf is a proven top flight striker. Gregory was at his best in League One and has done ok in the Champo. Diouf was a proven top flight striker, he's barely played football in two years. He scored 11 in his first season with us, then returned what: 5,1 and 6 goals in the subsequent seasons in the prem? I really will always have a soft spot for Diouf, his workrate, his aerial ability, but a prolific goalscorer he has never really been.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 30, 2020 19:38:26 GMT
If humanly possible, I would get rid of Gregory and Diouf this window.
Just won't be used (& yes, I get all the 'back up needed' issues as well).
Not happening though is it?
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