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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 14:02:50 GMT
Your comment about "what's written about her is clearly bollocks" - is also just pure supposition to be fair. I also don't get the "racism" angle about her - as far as I'm concerned she could be American, British, Japanese or whatever nationality (even French ), white, yellow, black, or green with pink spots, and it wouldn't make any difference to my opinion about her. I know she certainly hasn't had to endure vitriolic attacks in the way that Camilla did, but Meghan has spat her dummy out in response to far less. Looks like we'll have to disagree over this. No one has a clue what goes on in a couples relationship from the outside looking in, whether they’re royalty or not. You only know what people want you to know, so by definition it’s all speculation. I’m not suggesting you’re racist, but a lot of the stuff written about her is, some subtle and some not so subtle...... Don't get the racism thing in any case. Aside from racism being daft, she's as much white as black anyway, and certainly looks more white in any case. She doesn't even have an afro (upstairs at least). Personally, I don't see why people just don't let them get on with whatever they're doing. If they use their privileged position to do good then surely that's a positive thing. They are going to cost money in any case, so at least let it be spent towards supporting good causes.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 10, 2020 20:16:49 GMT
Letting them "get on with whatever they're doing" isn't compatible with the strictly hierarchical institution to which they supposedly owe unflinching loyalty (which surely has to be in question now). Going your own way was a disaster for the Windsors in 1938, a disaster for Princess Diana, a disaster for Fergie, a disaster for Prince Edward - and it will be a disaster for the Sussexes.
This pseudo abdication places the Queen in an extremely difficult position. If she allows the Sussexes to keep their royal titles then everything they say or do in their new freewheeling, globetrotting ventures will reflect directly upon how the monarchy is perceived. For the British monarchy to survive and prosper it's vital that every member sings off the same hymn sheet.
None of this is fair on William as he continues to wait patiently for his royal destiny.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 8:21:22 GMT
Letting them "get on with whatever they're doing" isn't compatible with the strictly hierarchical institution to which they supposedly owe unflinching loyalty (which surely has to be in question now). Going your own way was a disaster for the Windsors in 1938, a disaster for Princess Diana, a disaster for Fergie, a disaster for Prince Edward - and it will be a disaster for the Sussexes. This pseudo abdication places the Queen in an extremely difficult position. If she allows the Sussexes to keep their royal titles then everything they say or do in their new freewheeling, globetrotting ventures will reflect directly upon how the monarchy is perceived. For the British monarchy to survive and prosper it's vital that every member sings off the same hymn sheet. None of this is fair on William as he continues to wait patiently for his royal destiny. My heart bleeds for them all, it really does......
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 11, 2020 8:57:02 GMT
Letting them "get on with whatever they're doing" isn't compatible with the strictly hierarchical institution to which they supposedly owe unflinching loyalty (which surely has to be in question now). Going your own way was a disaster for the Windsors in 1938, a disaster for Princess Diana, a disaster for Fergie, a disaster for Prince Edward - and it will be a disaster for the Sussexes. This pseudo abdication places the Queen in an extremely difficult position. If she allows the Sussexes to keep their royal titles then everything they say or do in their new freewheeling, globetrotting ventures will reflect directly upon how the monarchy is perceived. For the British monarchy to survive and prosper it's vital that every member sings off the same hymn sheet. None of this is fair on William as he continues to wait patiently for his royal destiny. My heart bleeds for them all, it really does...... What does that mean? Is that the best comment you can possibly make?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 11, 2020 10:29:20 GMT
If I was her, I wouldnt take any car rides in any of the tunnels in Paris. ;
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 12, 2020 10:21:50 GMT
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Post by serpico on Jan 12, 2020 10:26:18 GMT
i think she's one of those people who is desperate to be a victim, in reality systemic racism is pretty thin on the ground in the UK these days, we're probably one of the most welcoming and anti racist countries in the world, she needs to get over herself.
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Post by heyzeus on Jan 12, 2020 10:32:36 GMT
“There’s no smoke without fire” “She gives the impression.......” All just pure supposition. The attacks on her aren’t usually vitriolic, they’re usually a lot more subtle than that but then that’s dog whistle racism for you.... Your comment about "what's written about her is clearly bollocks" - is also just pure supposition to be fair. I also don't get the "racism" angle about her - as far as I'm concerned she could be American, British, Japanese or whatever nationality (even French ), white, yellow, black, or green with pink spots, and it wouldn't make any difference to my opinion about her. I know she certainly hasn't had to endure vitriolic attacks in the way that Camilla did, but Meghan has spat her dummy out in response to far less. Looks like we'll have to disagree over this. No smoke without fire
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Post by heyzeus on Jan 12, 2020 10:38:41 GMT
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Post by heyzeus on Jan 12, 2020 10:40:26 GMT
No smoke without fire
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 12, 2020 10:40:51 GMT
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Post by noustie on Jan 12, 2020 12:07:37 GMT
Fair play to him for sticking up for his mrs and family.
If I was in his position where I'd watched a complete horrorcircus consume my mum; living seemingly an open secret about my dad; having my brother shit on me to protect his own position and; then watch the same horrorcircus come for my wife, especially after the wagons were circled for creepy uncle, i'd want to tell them to fuck right off and all. Fair play to him for having the bollocks to do it.
They're hardly likely to struggle - his mrs will get massive film and tv deals out of this alone that would sort them right out plus his uncle is worth £100m so he's not going see them struggle is he considering his beef with the royal family over Diana.
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Post by serpico on Jan 13, 2020 8:23:21 GMT
MArkle gets stick in the press because she’s outspoken, it has nothing to do with skin colour, if you are opinionated then you’ve got to expect to get some shit thrown at you, Kate doesn’t speak out, she just does the job and that’s why she gets less stick.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 13, 2020 9:02:29 GMT
Fair play to him for sticking up for his mrs and family. If I was in his position where I'd watched a complete horrorcircus consume my mum; living seemingly an open secret about my dad; having my brother shit on me to protect his own position and; then watch the same horrorcircus come for my wife, especially after the wagons were circled for creepy uncle, i'd want to tell them to fuck right off and all. Fair play to him for having the bollocks to do it. They're hardly likely to struggle - his mrs will get massive film and tv deals out of this alone that would sort them right out plus his uncle is worth £100m so he's not going see them struggle is he considering his beef with the royal family over Diana. How has William $#!t on him...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 9:44:09 GMT
MArkle gets stick in the press because she’s outspoken, it has nothing to do with skin colour, if you are opinionated then you’ve got to expect to get some shit thrown at you, Kate doesn’t speak out, she just does the job and that’s why she gets less stick. You’ll be telling us the gutter press go after Raheem Sterling because he plays for Man City and not because he’s young, rich and black next.....
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Post by serpico on Jan 13, 2020 10:11:14 GMT
MArkle gets stick in the press because she’s outspoken, it has nothing to do with skin colour, if you are opinionated then you’ve got to expect to get some shit thrown at you, Kate doesn’t speak out, she just does the job and that’s why she gets less stick. You’ll be telling us the gutter press go after Raheem Sterling because he plays for Man City and not because he’s young, rich and black next..... do they go after raheem sterling particularly ? ... you think this is all down to racism ?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 13, 2020 10:29:58 GMT
MArkle gets stick in the press because she’s outspoken, it has nothing to do with skin colour, if you are opinionated then you’ve got to expect to get some shit thrown at you, Kate doesn’t speak out, she just does the job and that’s why she gets less stick. You’ll be telling us the gutter press go after Raheem Sterling because he plays for Man City and not because he’s young, rich and black next..... Personally I'd like to think its more to do with him being a diving cheating prick
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 13, 2020 10:30:24 GMT
MArkle gets stick in the press because she’s outspoken, it has nothing to do with skin colour, if you are opinionated then you’ve got to expect to get some shit thrown at you, Kate doesn’t speak out, she just does the job and that’s why she gets less stick. You’ll be telling us the gutter press go after Raheem Sterling because he plays for Man City and not because he’s young, rich and black next..... In fairness he does run like a girl. A fast girl I’ll grant you, but a girl. No offence to girlsXx
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 10:40:17 GMT
You’ll be telling us the gutter press go after Raheem Sterling because he plays for Man City and not because he’s young, rich and black next..... do they go after raheem sterling particularly ? ... you think this is all down to racism ? Part of it is, absolutely. 100%.....
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 13, 2020 10:57:30 GMT
This is the problem you cant call somebody a cnut anymore because somebody somewhere will claim its agenda driven, racist, gingerist,ageism, thinist or any number of ists or isyms. Yes there are such people but it so easy to claim offence to shut things down, free speech hey I might not agree with a point of view and call you a cnut but I'll never make or try to make people stop saying what they think.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 13, 2020 11:12:52 GMT
This is the problem you cant call somebody a cnut anymore because somebody somewhere will claim its agenda driven, racist, gingerist,ageism, thinist or any number of ists or isyms. Yes there are such people but it so easy to claim offence to shut things down, free speech hey I might not agree with a point of view and call you a cnut but I'll never make or try to make people stop saying what they think. But when you call someone a **** it may well be that you are racist or ageist.So it becomes easier to call them a **** if you are already inclined to be racist and are just looking,fishing for an excuse to let rip with your bile. Some people are just **** though.Our prime minister is one example of one.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 13, 2020 11:42:13 GMT
This is the problem you cant call somebody a cnut anymore because somebody somewhere will claim its agenda driven, racist, gingerist,ageism, thinist or any number of ists or isyms. Yes there are such people but it so easy to claim offence to shut things down, free speech hey I might not agree with a point of view and call you a cnut but I'll never make or try to make people stop saying what they think. But when you call someone a **** it may well be that you are racist or ageist.So it becomes easier to call them a **** if you are already inclined to be racist and are just looking,fishing for an excuse to let rip with your bile. Some people are just **** though.Our prime minister is one example of one. Which is what I've said there are some people that way inclined my point is that just because you call people names and use expletives does not make you racist does it??? I can just be a potty mouth and say Eddie Murphy is a cock or Phil the Greek is a twat without being racist or ageist cant I!!
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Post by noustie on Jan 13, 2020 11:51:37 GMT
Fair play to him for sticking up for his mrs and family. If I was in his position where I'd watched a complete horrorcircus consume my mum; living seemingly an open secret about my dad; having my brother shit on me to protect his own position and; then watch the same horrorcircus come for my wife, especially after the wagons were circled for creepy uncle, i'd want to tell them to fuck right off and all. Fair play to him for having the bollocks to do it. They're hardly likely to struggle - his mrs will get massive film and tv deals out of this alone that would sort them right out plus his uncle is worth £100m so he's not going see them struggle is he considering his beef with the royal family over Diana. How has William $#!t on him... Heard it on the radio that he took the hump because there was a piss up they were both implicated in but he took the brunt as he's not heir whereas his brother got away with it. Allegedly that was the catalyst for them going separate ways. However, there is more experts popping up on this than during Brexit who've claimed to do interviews/ know folk inside the palace/ etc and half of them sound like they've at least one screw loose.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 13, 2020 12:26:03 GMT
If only people got this angry about one of them being very closely associated with a convicted paedophile.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 13, 2020 12:39:08 GMT
If only people got this angry about one of them being very closely associated with a convicted paedophile. Only one of them?
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 13, 2020 12:56:15 GMT
But when you call someone a **** it may well be that you are racist or ageist.So it becomes easier to call them a **** if you are already inclined to be racist and are just looking,fishing for an excuse to let rip with your bile. Some people are just **** though.Our prime minister is one example of one. Which is what I've said there are some people that way inclined my point is that just because you call people names and use expletives does not make you racist does it??? I can just be a potty mouth and say Eddie Murphy is a cock or Phil the Greek is a twat without being racist or ageist cant I!! Of course but you have to admit that there are people who have an hidden agenda.And it becomes clear to all when the mask slips,its hard for people to keep up an act for ever.Lets take some people on here who at every opportunity will go through all the media to find a Muslim story but call them racist and all hell breaks loose. Do you think they are ?
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Post by starkiller on Jan 13, 2020 14:52:19 GMT
I see social media are slagging off Priti Patel.
Bunch of racists.
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Post by theoptimist on Jan 13, 2020 18:09:21 GMT
How 'royal' are they to start with anyway? His mum was married to future king and his dads not even a royal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 19:14:52 GMT
Prince Charles funding Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's lifestyle from his private income link
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 13, 2020 19:46:57 GMT
Which is what I've said there are some people that way inclined my point is that just because you call people names and use expletives does not make you racist does it??? I can just be a potty mouth and say Eddie Murphy is a cock or Phil the Greek is a twat without being racist or ageist cant I!! Of course but you have to admit that there are people who have an hidden agenda.And it becomes clear to all when the mask slips,its hard for people to keep up an act for ever.Lets take some people on here who at every opportunity will go through all the media to find a Muslim story but call them racist and all hell breaks loose. Do you think they are ? Are people racist yes do people say things that are interpreted as racist yes, having an opinion on a delicate emotive subject that might differ from yours or mine does not make it racist persay. Just because some want boarders tightening and benefits for Brits or the NHS for Brits is not racist and I agree on most things like that for purely a selfish reason , money we pay for it and it's for those who need it not want it or demand it. If I'm abroad I have insurance and abide by the laws of the land I'm not telling everyone im British and demand British laws because its racist I accept the circumstances of where I am.
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