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Post by hooftastic on Jan 8, 2020 22:12:09 GMT
Fanks for the free points
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 8, 2020 22:16:44 GMT
He was Embarrassed lol , Rowett seems the last person to be embaresed to want to walk, I am not defending his signings they where poor but more went on in the back ground with Scholes and Carthorse. Scholes is a bean counter, he doesn’t choose which players we sign. Never said he did, but he was involved with Carthorse and Beswick regarding what players where available, there was a story a while back that Hughes put his request for players forward and the chuckle brothers gave him a list of players he could have, Hughes wanted Maguire but was told he could have Wimmer.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 8, 2020 22:17:38 GMT
He’s acknowledged he was wrong what he said and has spoken in glowing terms of the club and it’s supporters since he left Me....I think he’d of done an excellent job if he’d stayed but his position became untenable once he’d taken on the support No applause but no abuse either I agree with this - apart from the bit about taking on the support. He was spot on about the support - the support was and to to some extent still isn't providing support, It's still not got over the fact we are no longer in the Premier league and don't get why we didn't make an instant return and have been picking out scapegoats ever since - Rowett was the first victim of the goat slaughtering frenzy that's still playing out. He's demonstrating what he's capable of at Millwall - a club with nowhere near our resources, no pretensions about an automatic right to boss this league and a set of supporters who appreciate how well he's doing for them in a tough league. He'll probably get booed. The appropriate response would be oh fuck what were we thinking. But that's to going to happen. Because we're Premier League and Millwall are low life working class scum how don't deserve to be where they are. Seriously - don't they know their place?
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 8, 2020 22:20:12 GMT
But like its been said until someone comes out and says Scholes and Carthorse where involved with transfers against the mangers wishes then its all just hearsay, One thing I did notice is we have had 3 previous mangers who have bought poor and have all gone yet one guy remains, something says there could be something in that.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 8, 2020 22:22:01 GMT
Scholes is a bean counter, he doesn’t choose which players we sign. Never said he did, but he was involved with Carthorse and Beswick regarding what players where available, there was a story a while back that Hughes put his request for players forward and the chuckle brothers gave him a list of players he could have, Hughes wanted Maguire but was told he could have Wimmer. Partially true. We wanted Maguire, spoke to Maguire, offered a deal to Hull and Maguire, and then Maguire got a better offer from Leicester and went there instead. We then used that money to sign Wimmer....on Hughes’ instruction. It’s football and it happens everywhere.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 8, 2020 22:23:47 GMT
Never said he did, but he was involved with Carthorse and Beswick regarding what players where available, there was a story a while back that Hughes put his request for players forward and the chuckle brothers gave him a list of players he could have, Hughes wanted Maguire but was told he could have Wimmer. Partially true. We wanted Maguire, spoke to Maguire, offered a deal to Hull and Maguire, and then Maguire got a better offer from Leicester and went there instead. We then used that money to sign Wimmer....on Hughes’ instruction. wasn't there something about Scholes insisting it got completed before Pulis got wimmer (what a mistake that was )
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 8, 2020 22:26:17 GMT
Partially true. We wanted Maguire, spoke to Maguire, offered a deal to Hull and Maguire, and then Maguire got a better offer from Leicester and went there instead. We then used that money to sign Wimmer....on Hughes’ instruction. wasn't there something about Scholes insisting it got completed before Pulis got wimmer (what a mistake that was ) I don’t know about that. I know we wanted two players from Hull when they went down, Maguire and Robertson. We came close with both, but they had better offers unfortunately.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 8, 2020 22:34:01 GMT
Scholes is a bean counter, he doesn’t choose which players we sign. Never said he did, but he was involved with Carthorse and Beswick regarding what players where available, there was a story a while back that Hughes put his request for players forward and the chuckle brothers gave him a list of players he could have, Hughes wanted Maguire but was told he could have Wimmer. That too is nonsense though isn't it? The vast majority of Hughes' signings were his own too. They fit similar patterns. Bundesliga experience in many cases. Some we'd worked with before. Some came through his connections to previous clubs he'd played for, like Barca and Chelsea. Hughes himself complained when he first went to Southampton that previous clubs had if anything put too much of the transfer responsibility in his hands.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 8, 2020 22:38:01 GMT
I thought it was between the Wigan and Hull games that Rowett nearly walked?
I think it was on the Friday, there was a serious bust up at Clayton Wood involving, players management and suits.
Fairly serious incident by all accounts.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 8, 2020 22:48:00 GMT
I thought it was between the Wigan and Hull games that Rowett nearly walked? I think it was on the Friday, there was a serious bust up at Clayton Wood involving, players management and suits. Fairly serious incident by all accounts. possibly twice then, sure I read it was before the season started
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 8, 2020 22:50:24 GMT
Never said he did, but he was involved with Carthorse and Beswick regarding what players where available, there was a story a while back that Hughes put his request for players forward and the chuckle brothers gave him a list of players he could have, Hughes wanted Maguire but was told he could have Wimmer. That too is nonsense though isn't it? The vast majority of Hughes' signings were his own too. They fit similar patterns. Bundesliga experience in many cases. Some we'd worked with before. Some came through his connections to previous clubs he'd played for, like Barca and Chelsea. Hughes himself complained when he first went to Southampton that previous clubs had if anything put too much of the transfer responsibility in his hands. Dont recel reading about the Southampton Quote but it seems funny so many mangers got it wrong and its taken till this season for Carthorse to go but Scholes stays, will be interesting to see what happens with MON regarding transfers
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Post by pretzel on Jan 8, 2020 22:52:47 GMT
Fanks for the free points I was finking of somefing similar
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 8, 2020 22:56:04 GMT
He’s acknowledged he was wrong what he said and has spoken in glowing terms of the club and it’s supporters since he left Me....I think he’d of done an excellent job if he’d stayed but his position became untenable once he’d taken on the support No applause but no abuse either We will be suffering the consequences of what Gary Rowett did for years to come. Over 30 million quid on Afobe, Ince and Woods. He deserves to be absolutely slaughtered, not that he'd give a fuck.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 8, 2020 22:57:47 GMT
He’s acknowledged he was wrong what he said and has spoken in glowing terms of the club and it’s supporters since he left Me....I think he’d of done an excellent job if he’d stayed but his position became untenable once he’d taken on the support No applause but no abuse either I agree with this - apart from the bit about taking on the support. He was spot on about the support - the support was and to to some extent still isn't providing support, It's still not got over the fact we are no longer in the Premier league and don't get why we didn't make an instant return and have been picking out scapegoats ever since - Rowett was the first victim of the goat slaughtering frenzy that's still playing out. He's demonstrating what he's capable of at Millwall - a club with nowhere near our resources, no pretensions about an automatic right to boss this league and a set of supporters who appreciate how well he's doing for them in a tough league. He'll probably get booed. The appropriate response would be oh fuck what were we thinking. But that's to going to happen. Because we're Premier League and Millwall are low life working class scum how don't deserve to be where they are. Seriously - don't they know their place? All you ever do is focus your energy on attacking the support.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 8, 2020 22:59:49 GMT
That too is nonsense though isn't it? The vast majority of Hughes' signings were his own too. They fit similar patterns. Bundesliga experience in many cases. Some we'd worked with before. Some came through his connections to previous clubs he'd played for, like Barca and Chelsea. Hughes himself complained when he first went to Southampton that previous clubs had if anything put too much of the transfer responsibility in his hands. Dont recel reading about the Southampton Quote but it seems funny so many mangers got it wrong and its taken till this season for Carthorse to go but Scholes stays, will be interesting to see what happens with MON regarding transfers I’m not saying Cartwright or Scholes were doing a good job but they really weren’t forcing players on managers.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 8, 2020 23:03:37 GMT
Fanks for the free points I was finking of somefing similar I fought the exact same fing
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 8, 2020 23:07:52 GMT
I thought it was between the Wigan and Hull games that Rowett nearly walked? I think it was on the Friday, there was a serious bust up at Clayton Wood involving, players management and suits. Fairly serious incident by all accounts. possibly twice then, sure I read it was before the season started I've read the same about before the season started. But then on a massive contract where he would have to be paid off, why would he leave of his own accord?
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jan 8, 2020 23:09:23 GMT
I've got no hatred towards the bloke. Tried doing a job and failed. Move on.
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 8, 2020 23:10:29 GMT
I've got no hatred towards the bloke. Tried doing a job and failed. Move on. He could have been worse, few have been as bad as NJ
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jan 8, 2020 23:18:59 GMT
I've got no hatred towards the bloke. Tried doing a job and failed. Move on. He could have been worse, few have been as bad as NJ None have been as bad as Jones. I still shudder now when I see the bloke.
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Post by ibby on Jan 8, 2020 23:20:09 GMT
I hope he doesn't end up, taking the 3 points and rubbing it in..
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 8, 2020 23:23:08 GMT
I hope he doesn't end up, taking the 3 points and rubbing it in.. This is Stoke City though...chances are that’s exactly what will happen
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Post by stantheman on Jan 8, 2020 23:31:58 GMT
I thought it was between the Wigan and Hull games that Rowett nearly walked? I think it was on the Friday, there was a serious bust up at Clayton Wood involving, players management and suits. Fairly serious incident by all accounts. The Wigan game was when it became blindingly obvious that we were in a horrendous mess and that the players he bought in over the summer weren't gelling. Rowett looked truly shell shocked by that woeful performance.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jan 8, 2020 23:48:00 GMT
Never understood booing, it only inspires the opposition but crack on if it floats your boat.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 9, 2020 3:02:56 GMT
Never understood booing, it only inspires the opposition but crack on if it floats your boat. Agreed and the prime example of this was our home game v Derby last season. The inflatable snakes, the boo's, the chants & songs that the thousands of Derby fans were aiming towards Rowett that night, he didnt really care about & if anything it galvanised us to one of if not the best team performance we saw under Rowett & possibly of any game last season! Even Ince showed us glimpses of what he was capable of during this game. Whilst some may choose to give him grief, I honestly think he's so thick skinned it really wouldnt bother him anyway. & if anything it'll purely inspire his players to put a performance on for their under verbal attack manager. Aside from whatever people want to do on the initial pre match bit, really think the best outcome would be for fans to make some noise & get behind Stoke, show him we're behind MoN & hopefully we'll walk away with the 3x points, job done!
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Post by tuum on Jan 9, 2020 4:21:44 GMT
Scholes is a bean counter, he doesn’t choose which players we sign. No he just negotiates all the fees and contracts...within the framework of an agreed budget and Business Plan...presumably!
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Post by harlequin on Jan 9, 2020 10:05:28 GMT
He’s acknowledged he was wrong what he said and has spoken in glowing terms of the club and it’s supporters since he left Me....I think he’d of done an excellent job if he’d stayed but his position became untenable once he’d taken on the support No applause but no abuse either I agree with this - apart from the bit about taking on the support. He was spot on about the support - the support was and to to some extent still isn't providing support, It's still not got over the fact we are no longer in the Premier league and don't get why we didn't make an instant return and have been picking out scapegoats ever since - Rowett was the first victim of the goat slaughtering frenzy that's still playing out. He's demonstrating what he's capable of at Millwall - a club with nowhere near our resources, no pretensions about an automatic right to boss this league and a set of supporters who appreciate how well he's doing for them in a tough league. He'll probably get booed. The appropriate response would be oh fuck what were we thinking. But that's to going to happen. Because we're Premier League and Millwall are low life working class scum how don't deserve to be where they are. Seriously - don't they know their place? The guy was a hammer when a scalpel was needed. The fans intuitively picked up on that.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 9, 2020 10:08:21 GMT
People booed him when he was manager ffs nevermind him coming back.
That away end at Bolton was toxic.
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Post by djralphy1984 on Jan 9, 2020 10:14:09 GMT
Play mind games and try to persuade him to sign Ince for Millwall
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 9, 2020 10:19:32 GMT
There is a lot of criticism that can be fairly directed at Scholes and Cartwright. For example, the fact that every midfielder that we've signed since N'Zonzi left has been virtually identical and our failure to sign an actual first choice left back in the last six years gives cause to reflect on our transfer dealings.
However, Rowett was given a virtually infinite transfer budget to construct a team with whoever he wanted in order to walk the league. He even got to sign his number one striker target for an obscene amount of money just a week after he signed for somebody else. There's no blame to level at Scholes and Cartwright here.
I can see exactly what the board tried to do, but they backed the wrong horse. The job proved too big for Rowett and ate him alive. He's a good Championship manager and will do well at Millwall.
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