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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 7:53:17 GMT
GK: Butland Davies Federici
Only if Butland goes, which looks very unlikely
RB: Smith Edwards
Unlikely, unless we're completely writing off a £4m signing who he clearly has at least some faith in, and a young player under contract for another 4 and a half years.
LB: BMI Ward Tymon
Looked an absolute no-brainer before he really talked up BMI's recent performances, suggested he sees him as more of a left-back than a centre-back, and gave him the captaincy at the weekend. Still more likely than not this is seen as a bit of a priority, but not as pressing as it was.
We've yet to see Tymon either. Interesting to see if he was just left out, whether there was an injury, or a problem with international clearance or something?
CB: Shawcross Batth Lindsay Collins BMI + Souttar
Very unlikely. Even Lindsay seems far more in the fold, Collins is being talked up - and no-one else seems on the verge of going anywhere, with the possibility of Souttar being recalled too.
MID: Allen Clucas Powell Cousins Woods Sorensen
Only in the still reasonably unlikely scenario that Allen goes, or someone possibly comes in for Woods?
Allen, Clucas and Powell seem to be inked in for the short-term.
Powell (injuries permitting) looks like he's here to stay, after looking like a spare part for months
"Nick was terrific again. Not only his ability, but his athleticism. He's got that little bit of ability to open teams up in the final third. His final ball is still a bit erratic, but that's down to a lack of game time"
We would have a bit of a problem in the not unlikely event that he gets injured though. So maybe another creative player is on the agenda
RW: Campbell Ince Ngoy
Looked another absolute no-brainer until Campbell produced our most impactful performance for years from that position, and Ngoy emerged from the wilderness for an exciting cameo. Any arrival we wanted to bring in to start there now would maybe push them down the pecking order to the point that Campbell would definitely leave and Ngoy's Stoke career would be over.
Oh, and we''ve also got a £10m player there who's started 95% of the games!
LW: McClean Verlinden
Another one that has looked a no-brainer for weeks, months - even years. But McClean's star has never been higher amongst fans or with a Stoke manager - and we've just recalled a very promising youngster from a club where he was getting serious minutes. So where would any arrival fit there?
STR: Vokes Gregory Campbell Diouf +Afobe
Vokes is MON's main man and is going to start the bulk of games, you'd think.
Obviously a gap opens up if the rumours we are prepared to move Gregory on are true. But what calibre of player we'd loan/buy just to challenge, rather than replace Vokes, in our system, is unclear.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 6, 2020 8:00:07 GMT
Good assessment FM. So we probably won’t sign anyone!!😉
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 6, 2020 8:17:53 GMT
GK: Butland Davies FedericiOnly if Butland goes, which looks very unlikely RB: Smith EdwardsUnlikely, unless we're completely writing off a £4m signing who he clearly has at least some faith in, and a young player under contract for another 4 and a half years. LB: BMI Ward TymonLooked an absolute no-brainer before he really talked up BMI's recent performances, suggested he sees him as more of a left-back than a centre-back, and gave him the captaincy at the weekend. Still more likely than not this is seen as a bit of a priority, but not as pressing as it was. We've yet to see Tymon either. Interesting to see if he was just left out, whether there was an injury, or a problem with international clearance or something? CB: Shawcross Batth Lindsay Collins BMI + SouttarVery unlikely. Even Lindsay seems far more in the fold, Collins is being talked up - and no-one else seems on the verge of going anywhere, with the possibility of Souttar being recalled too. MID: Allen Clucas Powell Cousins Woods SorensenOnly in the still reasonably unlikely scenario that Allen goes, or someone possibly comes in for Woods? Allen, Clucas and Powell seem to be inked in for the short-term. Powell (injuries permitting) looks like he's here to stay, after looking like a spare part for months "Nick was terrific again. Not only his ability, but his athleticism. He's got that little bit of ability to open teams up in the final third. His final ball is still a bit erratic, but that's down to a lack of game time" We would have a bit of a problem in the not unlikely event that he gets injured though. So maybe another creative player is on the agenda RW: Campbell Ince NgoyLooked another absolute no-brainer until Campbell produced our most impactful performance for years from that position, and Ngoy emerged from the wilderness for an exciting cameo. Any arrival we wanted to bring in to start there now would maybe push them down the pecking order to the point that Campbell would definitely leave and Ngoy's Stoke career would be over. Oh, and we''ve also got a £10m player there who's started 95% of the games! LW: McClean VerlindenAnother one that has looked a no-brainer for weeks, months - even years. But McClean's star has never been higher amongst fans or with a Stoke manager - and we've just recalled a very promising youngster from a club where he was getting serious minutes. So where would any arrival fit there? STR: Vokes Gregory Campbell Diouf +AfobeVokes is MON's main man and is going to start the bulk of games, you'd think. Obviously a gap opens up if the rumours we are prepared to move Gregory on are true. But what calibre of player we'd loan/buy just to challenge, rather than replace Vokes, in our system, is unclear. The only flaw in that is every single one of them is for sale If the right bid comes in however unlikely that looks
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 6, 2020 8:18:23 GMT
Looking at that list, even with the possible emergence of options out wide and with the prospect of Allen staying, left back is still absolutely screaming out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 8:25:09 GMT
I would hazard a guess we will bring in a keeper only if Butland goes, a midfielder plus one more if Allen goes, and a right sided forward.
And then hopefully we’ll ship out a few (Hogan and Duffy back to parent clubs, Ince would be nice plus Diouf who needs to move on)
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 8:34:07 GMT
I would hazard a guess we will bring in a keeper only if Butland goes, a midfielder plus one more if Allen goes, and a right sided forward. And then hopefully we’ll ship out a few (Hogan and Duffy back to parent clubs, Ince would be nice plus Diouf who needs to move on) Wouldn't bringing in a right-sider be the end of Campbell though? He's not going to play up front much, if at all. So this seems his only chance of getting proper minutes this season. And also saying to Ngoy 'thanks for that decent 10 minutes where you showed more than Ince has in 6 months, but we won't be needing you on the bench again" Verlinden can play there too, so that'd be another avenue to minutes closed off for him. It's a tricky one. Sadly, Ince looks completely unshiftable. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-diouf-3611056And I think Mame will wait until the summer, then go on a Bosman.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 6, 2020 8:40:25 GMT
I think the main thrust will be offloading almost anyone. Otherwise I dont see any movement and probably not in like for like positions. This window will be be a net reduction in squad numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 8:54:13 GMT
I would hazard a guess we will bring in a keeper only if Butland goes, a midfielder plus one more if Allen goes, and a right sided forward. And then hopefully we’ll ship out a few (Hogan and Duffy back to parent clubs, Ince would be nice plus Diouf who needs to move on) Wouldn't bringing in a right-sider be the end of Campbell though? He's not going to play up front much, if at all. So this seems his only chance of getting proper minutes this season. And also saying to Ngoy 'thanks for that decent 10 minutes where you showed more than Ince has in 6 months, but we won't be needing you on the bench again" Verlinden can play there too, so that'd be another avenue to minutes closed off for him. It's a tricky one. Sadly, Ince looks completely unshiftable. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-diouf-3611056And I think Mame will wait until the summer, then go on a Bosman. If he's happy to put his trust in Verlinden and Ngoy I'd go along with that definitely. Maybe a left back instead......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 9:00:02 GMT
Any ins are likely to be towards the end of the window to see who we've shifted and after he's assessed the likes of Verlinden and Ngoy.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 6, 2020 9:10:45 GMT
Ince can leave via the magical door that makes mistakes disappear cant he?
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 6, 2020 9:11:00 GMT
I would hazard a guess we will bring in a keeper only if Butland goes, a midfielder plus one more if Allen goes, and a right sided forward. And then hopefully we’ll ship out a few (Hogan and Duffy back to parent clubs, Ince would be nice plus Diouf who needs to move on) Wouldn't bringing in a right-sider be the end of Campbell though? He's not going to play up front much, if at all. So this seems his only chance of getting proper minutes this season. And also saying to Ngoy 'thanks for that decent 10 minutes where you showed more than Ince has in 6 months, but we won't be needing you on the bench again" Verlinden can play there too, so that'd be another avenue to minutes closed off for him. It's a tricky one. Sadly, Ince looks completely unshiftable. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-diouf-3611056And I think Mame will wait until the summer, then go on a Bosman. MON was quite clear the other day when he says he sees Campbell as a central attacker - thought it was quite pointed at the time
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 6, 2020 9:15:15 GMT
Any ins are likely to be towards the end of the window to see who we've shifted and after he's assessed the likes of Verlinden and Ngoy. Very much agree with that, our priority is removal not additions. If he can get them playing like they have been at home recently then there's currently no need to alter too much other than what's not needed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 9:17:31 GMT
Wouldn't bringing in a right-sider be the end of Campbell though? He's not going to play up front much, if at all. So this seems his only chance of getting proper minutes this season. And also saying to Ngoy 'thanks for that decent 10 minutes where you showed more than Ince has in 6 months, but we won't be needing you on the bench again" Verlinden can play there too, so that'd be another avenue to minutes closed off for him. It's a tricky one. Sadly, Ince looks completely unshiftable. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-diouf-3611056And I think Mame will wait until the summer, then go on a Bosman. MON was quite clear the other day when he says he sees Campbell as a central attacker - thought it was quite pointed at the time Long-term, yeah. Can't see him getting any time there this season though (apart from maybe if we're chasing a game late on) And unless he gets on the pitch this year, he'll be off in the summer, you'd think.
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Post by Gods on Jan 6, 2020 9:24:19 GMT
I think we are in the market for 2 currently out of favour battle hardened players who have played at the top level and are construed to be made of the right stuff and perhaps one young loanee from a Top 6 club.
No more science than that.
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Post by musik on Jan 6, 2020 9:28:57 GMT
What happened to the interest in that scottish striker? Aberdeen was it?
If I interpret M O'N correctly, noone of the regular starters and noone of the youngsters will go, if he could decide that all by himself.
No way there will be a gigantic offer on Butland, Allen or Ince. So they'll stay.
We have to look at the others to find out possible sales. Hogan? Duffy? Diouf? Etebo?
My guess: a striker, a central midfielder and a left defender in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 9:38:05 GMT
And then hopefully we’ll ship out a few (Hogan and Duffy back to parent clubs, Ince would be nice plus Diouf who needs to move on) Sheffield United have made it clear they don't want Duffy back. Diouf will leave on a free in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 9:39:14 GMT
And then hopefully we’ll ship out a few (Hogan and Duffy back to parent clubs, Ince would be nice plus Diouf who needs to move on) Sheffield United have made it clear they don't want Duffy back. Diouf will leave on a free in the summer. If someone else expresses an interest in loaning him out a deal could still be done.....
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Post by goldcoaststokie on Jan 6, 2020 9:45:01 GMT
It looks reasonable that Duffy and Hogan will leave. I guess too that we would try to loan out Diouf and Federici as their contracts are up in the summer. With Etebo leaving that would be 7 out. None of those players are featuring. Don’t know whether BMI wants to go too? As for ins I can’t even guess now? Maybe none?
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Post by gogogadget on Jan 6, 2020 10:19:42 GMT
Given ffp.
I think MON is looking at whether or not, he can keep us up with the players we have.
Frustrations aside, I believe fully, that we have more than enough to not go down.
That's leaves the decision, does he then spend money on a player or players, that would most likely be stop gap players( bringing in more average players on contracts) or does he stick with what we have, in the hope we stay up, then leaving a better budget for next season.
I think it will loan players in only, hence the desire to get rid of all loans currently here.
Difficult to judge, but I think we have seen enough in terms of performance change to think we are not going down.
Start MONs rebuild in the summer for me.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 6, 2020 10:34:45 GMT
Given ffp. I think MON is looking at whether or not, he can keep us up with the players we have. Frustrations aside, I believe fully, that we have more than enough to not go down. That's leaves the decision, does he then spend money on a player or players, that would most likely be stop gap players( bringing in more average players on contracts) or does he stick with what we have, in the hope we stay up, then leaving a better budget for next season. I think it will loan players in only, hence the desire to get rid of all loans currently here. Difficult to judge, but I think we have seen enough in terms of performance change to think we are not going down. Start MONs rebuild in the summer for me. Exactly my feelings. Now is the wrong time to spend. Who is going to want to join us who is any good with us in our position? MON is pulling back our loaned players, releasing the players we have loaned, and looking to reduce the squad as much as possible. If he can get some daylight between us and the relegation zone, I expect he will try out more youngsters gradually.
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Post by goldcoaststokie on Jan 6, 2020 11:06:09 GMT
Was just thinking maybe he had a quick look at Davies before he decides to loan him to Hearts or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 11:07:14 GMT
We need to build around Collins, Sorensen, N’Goy, Verlinden and Campbell, they would save us a huge amount and would furnish the coffers when they do move on.
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 6, 2020 11:15:35 GMT
The current squad sits 4th bottom of the league with a very decent (?) chance of being in league 1 next season...tell me we don't need some fresh faces!?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 11:28:13 GMT
The current squad sits 4th bottom of the league (only by goal difference too!) with a very decent (?) chance of being in league 1 next season...tell me we don't need some fresh faces!? True - but when you actually try to pin down where we might be 100% be looking it's hard to actually put your finger on a particular position, especially as we'll probably be restricted to loans or cheapos - unless Butland or Allen go I'd agree that left-back does still seem the one pretty obvious one where we could get a reasonably achievable and noticeable upgrade, even on our budget. But with BMI's surprise emergence and Tymon's return, even that isn't as much of a slam dunk as it was. Could definitely see the sense in another midfielder with Badou and Etebo gone - but getting one we'd start ahead of Clucas/Allen/Powell would be tough. If Allen (or Woods) did go, another body would be crucial. And nobody else on the books could offer the kind of stuff Powell can A striker would be crucial if Gregory did go - but one he'd chuck in ahead of Vokes, on our budget, would be tough. Would, for example, a decent loanee come in to sit on the bench? Swansea seem to have attracted Brewster with the promise of starting most games
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2020 11:31:35 GMT
Goalkeeper and left back for me are the key. With a DM not far behind.
Butland has let us down far too much this season. And he keeps doing it. We can't rely on him and we need a reliable 'keeper to stay up.
We're still conceding way too many and the CBs look poor but that's solved by playing Collins and Shawcross when he's fit.
Left back is the one position we have no one for really. We need a left back desperately.
Cousins has been decent this last month tbh. But we need better.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 6, 2020 11:59:38 GMT
Asides from a handful of players, I don't think that there is a single position in the team where the manager would be desperate to keep what he's got.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 12:08:30 GMT
Asides from a handful of players, I don't think that there is a single position in the team where the manager would be desperate to keep what he's got. Yeah - I doubt it's even a handful. But he's boxed into a huge squad, many of which are pretty much unmovable when you look at their contracts and possible market, isn't he? And, imperfect as it is, quite a few of the individuals - certainly probably a team full - are probably of just about the standard he can convince himself will be good enough to keep us up - when given a run of games and played in their natural positions - and aren't particularly easy to improve on, on our likely budget - especially in January.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:11:45 GMT
Sheffield United have made it clear they don't want Duffy back. Diouf will leave on a free in the summer. If someone else expresses an interest in loaning him out a deal could still be done..... yeah right...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:17:52 GMT
If someone else expresses an interest in loaning him out a deal could still be done..... yeah right... It happens all the time.......
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 6, 2020 13:05:47 GMT
GK: Butland Davies FedericiOnly if Butland goes, which looks very unlikely RB: Smith EdwardsUnlikely, unless we're completely writing off a £4m signing who he clearly has at least some faith in, and a young player under contract for another 4 and a half years. LB: BMI Ward TymonLooked an absolute no-brainer before he really talked up BMI's recent performances, suggested he sees him as more of a left-back than a centre-back, and gave him the captaincy at the weekend. Still more likely than not this is seen as a bit of a priority, but not as pressing as it was. We've yet to see Tymon either. Interesting to see if he was just left out, whether there was an injury, or a problem with international clearance or something? CB: Shawcross Batth Lindsay Collins BMI + SouttarVery unlikely. Even Lindsay seems far more in the fold, Collins is being talked up - and no-one else seems on the verge of going anywhere, with the possibility of Souttar being recalled too. MID: Allen Clucas Powell Cousins Woods SorensenOnly in the still reasonably unlikely scenario that Allen goes, or someone possibly comes in for Woods? Allen, Clucas and Powell seem to be inked in for the short-term. Powell (injuries permitting) looks like he's here to stay, after looking like a spare part for months "Nick was terrific again. Not only his ability, but his athleticism. He's got that little bit of ability to open teams up in the final third. His final ball is still a bit erratic, but that's down to a lack of game time" We would have a bit of a problem in the not unlikely event that he gets injured though. So maybe another creative player is on the agenda RW: Campbell Ince NgoyLooked another absolute no-brainer until Campbell produced our most impactful performance for years from that position, and Ngoy emerged from the wilderness for an exciting cameo. Any arrival we wanted to bring in to start there now would maybe push them down the pecking order to the point that Campbell would definitely leave and Ngoy's Stoke career would be over. Oh, and we''ve also got a £10m player there who's started 95% of the games! LW: McClean VerlindenAnother one that has looked a no-brainer for weeks, months - even years. But McClean's star has never been higher amongst fans or with a Stoke manager - and we've just recalled a very promising youngster from a club where he was getting serious minutes. So where would any arrival fit there? STR: Vokes Gregory Campbell Diouf +AfobeVokes is MON's main man and is going to start the bulk of games, you'd think. Obviously a gap opens up if the rumours we are prepared to move Gregory on are true. But what calibre of player we'd loan/buy just to challenge, rather than replace Vokes, in our system, is unclear. Badou and Etebo's loans will have freed a small amount and I expect one possibly two to go in January, then possibly one or two loans. Left Back is key, If one of the CB's goes BMI will fill in, Ward at LB isnt good enough so I think this will be the spot that gets filled/changed. I think there might be a change around up front too.
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