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Post by serpico on Jan 4, 2020 14:58:38 GMT
fuck that! we should not go to war at the behest of the US, Trump is beholden to the Saudis and Israelis for political reasons, we should stay out of it, we don't need to be involved. Quite frankly i don't care who is in power in iran, it doesn't concern us and we have no power to change anything, neither does the US, look at Iraq! 3 decades of trying to bring a pro US regime to power and look at it! its a total and complete shit show! millions dead.. get out, stay out, police OUR borders and weed out the islamic crazies here. We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not. ok, then go pick up a gun and fight them yourself!!! ... seriously, if you're determined to stamp out evil in this world go and fight it, talk is cheap! I'm all for keeping the islamic scourge out of OUR country but fighting in foreign lands is a fools errand. We don't need to go thousands of miles to fight this, just police our borders and weed out the islamic crazies in this country and we'll be just fine.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 4, 2020 15:04:53 GMT
Where is the fat buffoon as WW3 approaches btw? Still in Mustique? The fact that the basketcases of Shitter tell me ww3 is about to break out, confirms that it isn't.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 15:10:32 GMT
Where is the fat buffoon as WW3 approaches btw? Still in Mustique? The fact that Twitter hysteria tells me ww3 is about to break out, confirms that it isn't. Funny how your long held mistrust of The Establishment has finally led you to become one of this board's strongest defenders of, er, The Establishment. It's almost like they planned it that way all along
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2020 15:17:43 GMT
The fact that Twitter hysteria tells me ww3 is about to break out, confirms that it isn't. Funny how your long held mistrust of The Establishment has finally led you to become one of this board's strongest defenders of, er, The Establishment. It's almost like they planned it that way all along Is Trump part of the establishment? I think not.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 4, 2020 15:20:19 GMT
The fact that Twitter hysteria tells me ww3 is about to break out, confirms that it isn't. Funny how your long held mistrust of The Establishment has finally led you to become one of this board's strongest defenders of, er, The Establishment. It's almost like they planned it that way all along Who's defending the establishment? I'm merely making an observation about the shite on Twitter. No doubt, the MIC love war, but this is not the way they usually go about it. They like to keep folk such as Soleimani alive as a pretext and for a long drawn out conflict. Still waiting for that Twitter 'youthquake', btw.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 4, 2020 15:43:41 GMT
The Iranian response will be very interesting.
We've already had the bluster of 'crushing revenge' but they dont appear to be at their strongest right now seeing as they are spread out all over the ME like a dogs bollocks.
It was also an interesting decision to assassinate him and it certainly muddies the water of my enemies enemy is my friend.
It seems to have been well received my exiled Iranian's but he will almost certainly be a Martyn for the hard religious faction in Iran itself.
Certainly has a different feel to when Bin Laden was taken out or even Al Baghdadi.
Anyhow that's 1 ISIS leader and the pin-up boy of Iran bumped off in under 12 months in the build up to election year in the US, Trump/Republican win again anyone? 🤔
Neither individual will be missed and the world is most definitely a better place without them but the reaction must be controlled.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 4, 2020 16:08:42 GMT
Nope I think the country picked right Why are you, racist Guido and Bozo so afraid of the slightest scrutiny, fyd? Afraid ? I thought it was a pretty obvious pisstake of racist grandpa's dodgy past although of course its true. Pretty funny all the moral outrage over boris's written words when corbyn takes money from a regime that hangs gays from cranes. I wonder if I go back and look if I will find similar Labour outrage over the assassination of the lebanese pm by Iran just guessing that it will be a no.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 16:18:58 GMT
Funny how your long held mistrust of The Establishment has finally led you to become one of this board's strongest defenders of, er, The Establishment. It's almost like they planned it that way all along Is Trump part of the establishment? I think not. It's a measure of the power of marketing that a man with billions in the bank, gold lifts, real estate interests across the globe, casinos, golf courses, ties to Deutsche Bank and royal-affiliated paedophile fixers, AND the office of Leader of the Free World to his name, can persuade anyone that he's not part of the establishment. Unreal post
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 4, 2020 16:21:40 GMT
Is Trump part of the establishment? I think not. It's a measure of the power of marketing that a man with billions in the bank, gold lifts, real estate interests across the globe, casinos, golf courses, ties to Deutsche Bank and royal-affiliated paedophile fixers, AND the office of Leader of the Free World to his name, can persuade anyone that he's not part of the establishment. Unreal post Trump is part of an establishment, not The Establishment...
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 16:23:54 GMT
It's a measure of the power of marketing that a man with billions in the bank, gold lifts, real estate interests across the globe, casinos, golf courses, ties to Deutsche Bank and royal-affiliated paedophile fixers, AND the office of Leader of the Free World to his name, can persuade anyone that he's not part of the establishment. Unreal post Trump is part of an establishment, not The Establishment... So how are you defining one from the other? Who's in which one?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 16:40:42 GMT
Did our 'special relationship' afford us advance notice of US action, to allow us to prepare militarily and politically to ensure the best for the UK - their greatesta ally? When the "special relationship" was at it's height between Reagan and Thatcher he only told her he was going to invade Grenada at the very last minute and carried through with that even after she advised him not to.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 16:45:08 GMT
Now congratulate Boris' Foreign Secretary Raab, who said exactly the same. Apart from the little dig at the US at the end of course. It’s not primary school roger, I don’t need to congratulate him. If he said something similar it’s the right stance to take...... "If" I told you 22 hours ago that he had.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 16:51:38 GMT
We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not. I’ve literally heard drug dealers & gangsters use the same logic... Apart from drug dealing not being legal that's a brilliant comparison. Not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 16:52:14 GMT
It’s not primary school roger, I don’t need to congratulate him. If he said something similar it’s the right stance to take...... "If" I told you 22 hours ago that he had. Sorry, I don’t sit on here eagerly awaiting your next post.....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 17:05:42 GMT
Unless you are personally getting paid £20k like Jezza hey bud - has he blamed the hand of Israel yet ? NEWSFLASH: this story has NOTHING to do with Jeremy Corbyn! We all realise this will come as a major blow to you but maybe if you read more, you'd find other stuff to talk about If it's nothing to do with Corbyn why is he on a public forum with his own opinion or writing an official letter to the Prime Minister? Of course we can comment on his reaction, his previous employment by the Iranian regime and his celebration of the Iranian revolution where he praised Iran’s, “Tolerance and acceptance of other faiths, traditions and ethnic groupings in Iran.” Women in Iran are imprisoned for not wearing modesty clothing and homosexuals are executed. Not more than a month ago plenty on this forum wanted this man to run the UK. Oh yes we can fucking comment.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 17:07:09 GMT
"If" I told you 22 hours ago that he had. Sorry, I don’t sit on here eagerly awaiting your next post..... But you read it back then and only praised Corbyn. You're sooooo predictable. Blinkered.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 17:10:06 GMT
Sorry, I don’t sit on here eagerly awaiting your next post..... But you read it back then and only praised Corbyn. You're sooooo predictable. Blinkered. Your mentions of Corbyn far outweigh mine Roger. I have no issue with your little obsession, each to their own.....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 17:10:45 GMT
We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not. While we're on the subject of droning on, what do Spain or 9/11 have to do with Iran? It was a comment on "staying out of it". It doesn't work. Don't worry it was a grown up conversation. You wouldn't have understood.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 17:13:03 GMT
As concerning as this military action is, there is a positive that's come out of it It's illustrated that for all our differences, the vast majority of ordinary decent Stokies are against this type of intervention. Most of us have a healthy suspicion of the real motives behind it too. There's dissent from the usual headbangers of course but they're very much in the minority here... Keep up the good posting! Thought provoking stuff. And bear in mind there will be a lot of propaganda in the coming weeks to try and persuade us we're wrong on this. We're not.Deluded.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 17:17:34 GMT
We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not. ok, then go pick up a gun and fight them yourself!!! ... seriously, if you're determined to stamp out evil in this world go and fight it, talk is cheap! I'm all for keeping the islamic scourge out of OUR country but fighting in foreign lands is a fools errand. We don't need to go thousands of miles to fight this, just police our borders and weed out the islamic crazies in this country and we'll be just fine. So your logic is if you support the NHS become a doctor or if you like living in a house become a builder. Interesting. I'm happy for military professionals who volunteer and are specially trained to do the fighting thanks.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 4, 2020 17:19:55 GMT
I think it is much too early to predict the short and medium term consequences of taking the action that the USA took....or to surmise on the possible consequences of not having taken that action. Only time will tell.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 17:29:50 GMT
NEWSFLASH: this story has NOTHING to do with Jeremy Corbyn! We all realise this will come as a major blow to you but maybe if you read more, you'd find other stuff to talk about If it's nothing to do with Corbyn why is he on a public forum with his own opinion or writing an official letter to the Prime Minister? Of course we can comment on his reaction, his previous employment by the Iranian regime and his celebration of the Iranian revolution where he praised Iran’s, “Tolerance and acceptance of other faiths, traditions and ethnic groupings in Iran.” Women in Iran are imprisoned for not wearing modesty clothing and homosexuals are executed. Not more than a month ago plenty on this forum wanted this man to run the UK. Oh yes we can fucking comment. Of course you can comment, you daft ballbag, it's a free forum Doesn't make such comments any less irrelevant to the topic at hand though
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 17:31:40 GMT
As concerning as this military action is, there is a positive that's come out of it It's illustrated that for all our differences, the vast majority of ordinary decent Stokies are against this type of intervention. Most of us have a healthy suspicion of the real motives behind it too. There's dissent from the usual headbangers of course but they're very much in the minority here... Keep up the good posting! Thought provoking stuff. And bear in mind there will be a lot of propaganda in the coming weeks to try and persuade us we're wrong on this. We're not.Deluded. And here's the Headbanger in Chief reporting for duty
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 17:35:47 GMT
I’ve literally heard drug dealers & gangsters use the same logic... Apart from drug dealing not being legal that's a brilliant comparison. Not. Yeah Rog, When you having that compass fixed..
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 17:40:05 GMT
While we're on the subject of droning on, what do Spain or 9/11 have to do with Iran? It was a comment on "staying out of it". It doesn't work. Don't worry it was a grown up conversation. You wouldn't have understood. Spain was signed up to the alliance when it was attacked and the US was engaged in an ongoing war with bin Laden and his nutjobs when 9/11 happened. Go and find different unrelated analogies or go back in your box you silly fucker
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 18:02:44 GMT
And here's the Headbanger in Chief reporting for duty You've zero evidence of what the majority of the good people of Stoke on Trent think about this situation. You talk about debate but instantly show that your idea of "propaganda" is obviously anything that disagrees with your already made up mind. If you listen to some you'll believe it's a distraction from Trump's impeachment process. If you listen to others then the World is a better place without this maniac and will be better still once the religious extremist controlling Iran are finally defeated.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 18:11:03 GMT
And here's the Headbanger in Chief reporting for duty You've zero evidence of what the majority of the good people of Stoke on Trent think about this situation. You talk about debate but instantly show that your idea of "propaganda" is obviously anything that disagrees with your already made up mind. If you listen to some you'll believe it's a distraction from Trump's impeachment process. If you listen to others then the World is a better place without this maniac and will be better still once the religious extremist controlling Iran are finally defeated. For you of all people to lecture ANYONE on echo chamber mentality and news reinforcement is palpably absurd. More people on this thread up to this point have expressed aversion to the military action than have supported it. End of. Now stop strawmanning and go back to posting meaningless irrelevant gibberish about Jeremy Corbyn. You're better at that
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 18:15:55 GMT
You've zero evidence of what the majority of the good people of Stoke on Trent think about this situation. You talk about debate but instantly show that your idea of "propaganda" is obviously anything that disagrees with your already made up mind. If you listen to some you'll believe it's a distraction from Trump's impeachment process. If you listen to others then the World is a better place without this maniac and will be better still once the religious extremist controlling Iran are finally defeated. For you of all people to lecture ANYONE on echo chamber mentality and news reinforcement is palpably absurd. More people on this thread up to this point have expressed aversion to the military action than have supported it. End of. Now stop strawmanning and go back to posting meaningless irrelevant gibberish about Jeremy Corbyn. You're better at that But you didn't say "More people on this thread up to this point have expressed aversion to the military action than have supported it" You spouted your usual generalising made up bollocks.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 4, 2020 18:21:50 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 18:29:28 GMT
For you of all people to lecture ANYONE on echo chamber mentality and news reinforcement is palpably absurd. More people on this thread up to this point have expressed aversion to the military action than have supported it. End of. Now stop strawmanning and go back to posting meaningless irrelevant gibberish about Jeremy Corbyn. You're better at that But you didn't say "More people on this thread up to this point have expressed aversion to the military action than have supported it" You spouted your usual generalising made up bollocks. I didn't feel the need to spell it out because I naively assumed that the context of it being on the fucking Oatie was clear fella. Apologies for failing to factor in the kids with crayolas up their noses
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