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Post by serpico on Jan 4, 2020 8:28:38 GMT
You can probably link all these wars back to WW1, it just seems the latest war always leaves behind the conditions that cause the next IE the US went into Iraq in 03 and basically handed Iraq over to the Iranians because they didn't have a clue what they were doing, now the US is pissed off because iran has a much bigger influence in the region... the US should cut their losses now, "haul ass out" and let china go in and bog itself down there if it wishes, if not it will never end and the US will probably bankrupt itself.
we need to stay out of it, tighten up our borders and end /reverse multiculturalism and mass immigration into this country asap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 8:44:03 GMT
Corbyn would have disbanded the armed forces. People willingly join the armed forces to fight. So they’d have been jobless. It’s their career choice. Get a fucking grip. Do you get all your political analysis from The Daily Star?
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Post by zerps on Jan 4, 2020 8:51:26 GMT
Corbyn would have disbanded the armed forces. People willingly join the armed forces to fight. So they’d have been jobless. It’s their career choice. Get a fucking grip. Do you get all your political analysis from The Daily Star? You’re right, we should have an armed forces that refuses to fight 😄 That could be a Morrissey album.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 9:05:21 GMT
As relevant today as it was then....
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Post by lordb on Jan 4, 2020 9:31:54 GMT
Corbyn would have disbanded the armed forces. People willingly join the armed forces to fight. So they’d have been jobless. It’s their career choice. Get a fucking grip. How about getting back on topic?
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Post by zerps on Jan 4, 2020 9:35:53 GMT
Corbyn would have disbanded the armed forces. People willingly join the armed forces to fight. So they’d have been jobless. It’s their career choice. Get a fucking grip. How about getting back on topic? Don’t look at me.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 9:46:48 GMT
Corbyn would have disbanded the armed forces. People willingly join the armed forces to fight. So they’d have been jobless. It’s their career choice. Get a fucking grip. On the opportunities that I get to go the pub for a couple, i bemoan not being able to get out much & my mates trope(who doesn’t have kids)says, “Lifestyle choices”
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Post by Goonie on Jan 4, 2020 9:51:11 GMT
It's an interesting move from Trump, unlike other Republican presidents is quite anti-war.
Is this how he wants to conduct his wars now? Attack the politicians head on?
Taking aside all the geo-political shenanigans it's a shame previous wars did not directly target the politicians who start the wars in the first place
Time will tell what the consequences of a low collateral damage war like this will have
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Post by serpico on Jan 4, 2020 10:08:30 GMT
It's an interesting move from Trump, unlike other Republican presidents is quite anti-war. Is this how he wants to conduct his wars now? Attack the politicians head on? Taking aside all the geo-political shenanigans it's a shame previous wars did not directly target the politicians who start the wars in the first place Time will tell what the consequences of a low collateral damage war like this will have question is, whats it all about ? why even bother making an enemy out of iran ? the US sits thousands of miles away, its inconceivable that Iran could be a threat to mainland United States, so who's benefit is this all for ? the military industrial complex ? the saudis ? the israelis ?... it sure doesn't help the lot of the average american. The US's obsession with iran is just plain weird.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 4, 2020 10:41:05 GMT
It's an interesting move from Trump, unlike other Republican presidents is quite anti-war. Is this how he wants to conduct his wars now? Attack the politicians head on? Taking aside all the geo-political shenanigans it's a shame previous wars did not directly target the politicians who start the wars in the first place Time will tell what the consequences of a low collateral damage war like this will have question is, whats it all about ? why even bother making an enemy out of iran ? the US sits thousands of miles away, its inconceivable that Iran could be a threat to mainland United States, so who's benefit is this all for ? the military industrial complex ? the saudis ? the israelis ?... it sure doesn't help the lot of the average american. The US's obsession with iran is just plain weird. You've answered your own question. On a wider note Hilary probably would have had a minor war going on by now, the influence of Israel & Saudi Arabia combined with Russia's countermeasures makes this kind of conflict sadly inevitable irrespective of who is the leader of the free world. It's the only credit I will give to Trump in that he's trying different things (and hoping they won't blow up in his face). Trump's relationship with Putin and his perceived strength over China could keep a lid on things.
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Post by Goonie on Jan 4, 2020 10:59:31 GMT
It's an interesting move from Trump, unlike other Republican presidents is quite anti-war. Is this how he wants to conduct his wars now? Attack the politicians head on? Taking aside all the geo-political shenanigans it's a shame previous wars did not directly target the politicians who start the wars in the first place Time will tell what the consequences of a low collateral damage war like this will have question is, whats it all about ? why even bother making an enemy out of iran ? the US sits thousands of miles away, its inconceivable that Iran could be a threat to mainland United States, so who's benefit is this all for ? the military industrial complex ? the saudis ? the israelis ?... it sure doesn't help the lot of the average american. The US's obsession with iran is just plain weird. It's a good point. So why do it? This is probably less to do with violent attacks on the US and probably spurred on by financial issues - oil Did the Quds leader plan to destabilise the oil based world economy? The sooner we get out of an oil based economy the sooner the Middle East will fall away as having any meaningful importance to the West, increasing the chances of global peace Every wind turbine and nuclear plant is a nail in the petrochemical coffin
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 11:27:18 GMT
As relevant today as it was then.... Did you see that bloke behind him burning the 🇮🇱 It’s not right you know...
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 4, 2020 11:36:48 GMT
Unless you are personally getting paid £20k like Jezza hey bud - has he blamed the hand of Israel yet ? Are you having buyers remorse... Nope I think the country picked right
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2020 11:39:53 GMT
Are you having buyers remorse... Nope I think the country picked right Why are you, racist Guido and Bozo so afraid of the slightest scrutiny, fyd?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2020 11:45:22 GMT
Where is the fat buffoon as WW3 approaches btw?
Still in Mustique?
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 12:08:51 GMT
As concerning as this military action is, there is a positive that's come out of it It's illustrated that for all our differences, the vast majority of ordinary decent Stokies are against this type of intervention. Most of us have a healthy suspicion of the real motives behind it too. There's dissent from the usual headbangers of course but they're very much in the minority here... Keep up the good posting! Thought provoking stuff. And bear in mind there will be a lot of propaganda in the coming weeks to try and persuade us we're wrong on this. We're not.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 12:16:14 GMT
question is, whats it all about ? why even bother making an enemy out of iran ? the US sits thousands of miles away, its inconceivable that Iran could be a threat to mainland United States, so who's benefit is this all for ? the military industrial complex ? the saudis ? the israelis ?... it sure doesn't help the lot of the average american. The US's obsession with iran is just plain weird. It's a good point. So why do it? This is probably less to do with violent attacks on the US and probably spurred on by financial issues - oil Did the Quds leader plan to destabilise the oil based world economy? The sooner we get out of an oil based economy the sooner the Middle East will fall away as having any meaningful importance to the West, increasing the chances of global peace Every wind turbine and nuclear plant is a nail in the petrochemical coffin Yep. It's really not that difficult for most of us to see it. Plot the locations of the major US interventions of recent years, "hard" or "soft" power led, on a map of valuable natural resources around the world. You'll see a distinct correlation
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 4, 2020 12:38:05 GMT
It's an interesting move from Trump, unlike other Republican presidents is quite anti-war. Is this how he wants to conduct his wars now? Attack the politicians head on? Taking aside all the geo-political shenanigans it's a shame previous wars did not directly target the politicians who start the wars in the first place Time will tell what the consequences of a low collateral damage war like this will have question is, whats it all about ? why even bother making an enemy out of iran ? the US sits thousands of miles away, its inconceivable that Iran could be a threat to mainland United States, so who's benefit is this all for ? the military industrial complex ? the saudis ? the israelis ?... it sure doesn't help the lot of the average american. The US's obsession with iran is just plain weird. Simple the Jewish lobby in American politics is one of the richest and influential American presidents tend to follow the money
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Post by zerps on Jan 4, 2020 12:42:14 GMT
Global debt is at an all time high, the global reserve currency is the usd and the yanks need to boost their economy without all the recent fake quantitative easing, somehow. It’s not brain science.
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Post by zerps on Jan 4, 2020 12:46:55 GMT
War is good for business. Always has been, always will be. Unless you’re on the receiving end.
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Post by hoffgreen on Jan 4, 2020 13:04:49 GMT
I think Iran has some nerve putting their country so close to American military bases.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 13:13:44 GMT
War is good for business. Always has been, always will be. Unless you’re on the receiving end. & What does that tell us about capitalism...
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Post by zerps on Jan 4, 2020 13:19:50 GMT
War is good for business. Always has been, always will be. Unless you’re on the receiving end. & What does that tell us about capitalism... How do you think Trumps wig stays on? It’s not magic mate.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 13:26:33 GMT
Iran still getting some value from their 20K. A perfectly rational response. Recent history shows we should approach this with complete caution..... Now congratulate Boris' Foreign Secretary Raab, who said exactly the same. Apart from the little dig at the US at the end of course.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 13:39:09 GMT
It's the standard response. Same as Merkel and Macron's Foreign Secs. Obviously we will, and should stand shoulder to shoulder with the US if things esculate but Johnson supposedly didn't know about the attack. fuck that! we should not go to war at the behest of the US, Trump is beholden to the Saudis and Israelis for political reasons, we should stay out of it, we don't need to be involved. Quite frankly i don't care who is in power in iran, it doesn't concern us and we have no power to change anything, neither does the US, look at Iraq! 3 decades of trying to bring a pro US regime to power and look at it! its a total and complete shit show! millions dead.. get out, stay out, police OUR borders and weed out the islamic crazies here. We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 4, 2020 13:45:39 GMT
fuck that! we should not go to war at the behest of the US, Trump is beholden to the Saudis and Israelis for political reasons, we should stay out of it, we don't need to be involved. Quite frankly i don't care who is in power in iran, it doesn't concern us and we have no power to change anything, neither does the US, look at Iraq! 3 decades of trying to bring a pro US regime to power and look at it! its a total and complete shit show! millions dead.. get out, stay out, police OUR borders and weed out the islamic crazies here. We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not. I think this might be the most stable and measured post you've ever made!
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 13:51:30 GMT
fuck that! we should not go to war at the behest of the US, Trump is beholden to the Saudis and Israelis for political reasons, we should stay out of it, we don't need to be involved. Quite frankly i don't care who is in power in iran, it doesn't concern us and we have no power to change anything, neither does the US, look at Iraq! 3 decades of trying to bring a pro US regime to power and look at it! its a total and complete shit show! millions dead.. get out, stay out, police OUR borders and weed out the islamic crazies here. We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not. I’ve literally heard drug dealers & gangsters use the same logic...
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 14:04:59 GMT
fuck that! we should not go to war at the behest of the US, Trump is beholden to the Saudis and Israelis for political reasons, we should stay out of it, we don't need to be involved. Quite frankly i don't care who is in power in iran, it doesn't concern us and we have no power to change anything, neither does the US, look at Iraq! 3 decades of trying to bring a pro US regime to power and look at it! its a total and complete shit show! millions dead.. get out, stay out, police OUR borders and weed out the islamic crazies here. We can't "stay out of it" That option doesn't exist in a globally connected World. We do't have one of only 5 permanent seat on the UN security council to "stay out of" stuff like this. I'm sorry but for all those huffing and puffing about saving lives this individual is personally responsible for the proxy war in Yemen between the Iranian backed Shia and the Saudi Suuni which is killing thousands of innocents and before anyone drones on about supplying arms, every deal is sanctioned under international law and if the UK didn't supply, the French or another country would. I lived in Lebanon for 3 years when the Iranian Government blocked every moderate Presidential candidate. They armed and funded Hezzbollah to commit acts of Terror on Westerners, Israeli's or Sunnis. They try to control other countries. The list goes on. Iran is a dangerous State who have pushed an unpredictable US President too far. Spain never dropped a single bomb in the ME but were rewarded with the Madrid train bombings. 9/11 came before any Iraq invasion. There is good and bad in this world and when they sometimes collide there's no fence to sit on. And for the record I don't like the Saudi's either. Or China's human rights record or Russia's gangster President or all of the tin pot African and South American Dictators and would gladly see the back of all of them. Sometimes that's achieved peaceably sometimes it's not. While we're on the subject of droning on, what do Spain or 9/11 have to do with Iran?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 14:10:37 GMT
A perfectly rational response. Recent history shows we should approach this with complete caution..... Now congratulate Boris' Foreign Secretary Raab, who said exactly the same. Apart from the little dig at the US at the end of course. It’s not primary school roger, I don’t need to congratulate him. If he said something similar it’s the right stance to take......
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 4, 2020 14:31:49 GMT
Did our 'special relationship' afford us advance notice of US action, to allow us to prepare militarily and politically to ensure the best for the UK - their greatesta ally?
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