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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 17:26:02 GMT
Lambert was managing our shit squad in the PL without any of his own signings big difference. Lambert didn't stand a chance when he came in, but he should have been given one the season after. He had half a season to figure out the players and what he would have done with a proper window open to him. Lambert was dreadful and only really succeeded in making a bad situation worse, but he had more of a clue than Jones.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 2, 2020 17:31:22 GMT
He was passionate and I think he genuinely cared and I don't think for a minute he was a fraud. He appeared to make himself ill trying to do the job. Sad fact he wasn't good enough and the board actually got it right sacking him when they did. I still can't dislike Jones despite how bad he was and I genuinely wish him well.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jan 2, 2020 17:48:50 GMT
The worst maneger we ever had is a massive shout, I’d say he isn’t even the worst manger we’ve had recently, I’d say lambert was worse and Hughes started the rot You are indeed correct if you take overall (league and cup) win % Lambert 13.3% Snake Oil Salesman 15.8% Both utter dogshit GD I mean just putting stoke to one side, it is absolutely remarkable that any manager of any business can perform that badly and make themselves a millionaire... good work if you can get it 😂 Just for the record I’m absolutely not saying jones is a brilliant maneger, although I think he could do a job at league 1 or two level.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 2, 2020 18:01:26 GMT
He was passionate and I think he genuinely cared and I don't think for a minute he was a fraud. He appeared to make himself ill trying to do the job. Sad fact he wasn't good enough and the board actually got it right sacking him when they did. I still can't dislike Jones despite how bad he was and I genuinely wish him well. I disagree he should have gone at the end of last season, his record was worse than Rowetts ! his formations in game management and selections were bizarre it seemed obvious to me he hadn't got a Scooby what he was doing and so it proved, his signings were disastrous and completely the opposite of what he claimed.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 2, 2020 18:02:56 GMT
You are indeed correct if you take overall (league and cup) win % Lambert 13.3% Snake Oil Salesman 15.8% Both utter dogshit GD I mean just putting stoke to one side, it is absolutely remarkable that any manager of any business can perform that badly and make themselves a millionaire... good work if you can get it 😂 Just for the record I’m absolutely not saying jones is a brilliant maneger, although I think he could do a job at league 1 or two level. Not many failures get rewarded that handsomely.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jan 2, 2020 18:03:13 GMT
It's amazing how forgettable Lambert was. If you doorstepped me and asked me who the manager before Jones was I'd probably struggle to put a name to him.
Jones was just out of his depth, I have no ill feeling towards either really. Onwards and upwards under O'Neill though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 18:05:59 GMT
It's amazing how forgettable Lambert was. If you doorstepped me and asked me who the manager before Jones was I'd probably struggle to put a name to him. Jones was just out of his depth, I have no ill feeling towards either really. Onwards and upwards under O'Neill though. You’ve forgotten Gary Rowett too. Good work! Oh to forget about Lambert and Rowett.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:13:25 GMT
He was passionate and I think he genuinely cared and I don't think for a minute he was a fraud. He appeared to make himself ill trying to do the job. Sad fact he wasn't good enough and the board actually got it right sacking him when they did. I still can't dislike Jones despite how bad he was and I genuinely wish him well. The board got it wrong to sack him when they did - he should have been sacked months before.
He posed as a football manager and was paid accordingly. He wasn't. He is a fraud.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 2, 2020 18:24:26 GMT
Crazy to think how many people went along with his, ‘don’t judge me on this season’ ideology.
Imagine O’Neil coming in and saying, nah you can’t judge me this season - not my team, mate. But wait til next season and you can judge me then.
He was great at selling the dream, but he just couldn’t deliver it.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 2, 2020 18:31:27 GMT
Crazy to think how many people went along with his, ‘don’t judge me on this season’ ideology. Imagine O’Neil coming in and saying, nah you can’t judge me this season - not my team, mate. But wait til next season and you can judge me then. He was great at selling the dream, but he just couldn’t deliver it. An indication on their lack of footballing knowledge, some of us had him sussed after the first month a total chancer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:35:02 GMT
Crazy to think how many people went along with his, ‘don’t judge me on this season’ ideology. Imagine O’Neil coming in and saying, nah you can’t judge me this season - not my team, mate. But wait til next season and you can judge me then. He was great at selling the dream, but he just couldn’t deliver it. It pretty soon became clear that his success at Luton wasn't HIS success at all - he milked the glory from the hard work of other training staff.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 2, 2020 18:55:07 GMT
Crazy to think how many people went along with his, ‘don’t judge me on this season’ ideology. Imagine O’Neil coming in and saying, nah you can’t judge me this season - not my team, mate. But wait til next season and you can judge me then. He was great at selling the dream, but he just couldn’t deliver it. It pretty soon became clear that his success at Luton wasn't HIS success at all - he milked the glory from the hard work of other training staff. Seemed that way Clem, they didn't miss him a great deal they improved if anything after he left, where as we got worse when he joined he was full of piss and wind he would struggle to organise an orgy in a brothel.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jan 2, 2020 19:11:29 GMT
It's amazing how forgettable Lambert was. If you doorstepped me and asked me who the manager before Jones was I'd probably struggle to put a name to him. Jones was just out of his depth, I have no ill feeling towards either really. Onwards and upwards under O'Neill though. You’ve forgotten Gary Rowett too. Good work! Oh to forget about Lambert and Rowett. Hah, bugger.
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Post by NassauDave on Jan 2, 2020 19:42:38 GMT
Wasn't he in Gavin and Stacey on Xmas Day?
As Neil?
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 2, 2020 20:26:12 GMT
He was passionate and I think he genuinely cared and I don't think for a minute he was a fraud. He appeared to make himself ill trying to do the job. Sad fact he wasn't good enough and the board actually got it right sacking him when they did. I still can't dislike Jones despite how bad he was and I genuinely wish him well. The board got it wrong to sack him when they did - he should have been sacked months before. He posed as a football manager and was paid accordingly. He wasn't. He is a fraud.
He wasn't good enough, too big a job we all accept that but Stoke offered him a fortune and being ambitious he took the challenge. He failed miserably but I never thought for a minute he was taking the piss. He wasn't good enough and that's all there is to it, he certainly wasn't a fraud. I think he cared deeply and it will take him a while professionally to recover from his time at Stoke.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jan 2, 2020 20:26:53 GMT
I was counting down the days until we got rid of him. Many folks were blinded by the fact that he was 'a nice bloke'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 20:45:37 GMT
The board got it wrong to sack him when they did - he should have been sacked months before. He posed as a football manager and was paid accordingly. He wasn't. He is a fraud.
He wasn't good enough, too big a job we all accept that but Stoke offered him a fortune and being ambitious he took the challenge. He failed miserably but I never thought for a minute he was taking the piss. He wasn't good enough and that's all there is to it, he certainly wasn't a fraud. I think he cared deeply and it will take him a while professionally to recover from his time at Stoke. You cannot recover from being useless. It is impossible. I suppose in theory that you can improve and get better ....
He was hired to do a job, and be VERY well paid. He accepted the job.
He promised the world. He failed in a style never seen before at our club (and that actually is quite an achievement).
He kept the money.
Fraud.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 2, 2020 21:25:22 GMT
The board got it wrong to sack him when they did - he should have been sacked months before. He posed as a football manager and was paid accordingly. He wasn't. He is a fraud.
He wasn't good enough, too big a job we all accept that but Stoke offered him a fortune and being ambitious he took the challenge. He failed miserably but I never thought for a minute he was taking the piss. He wasn't good enough and that's all there is to it, he certainly wasn't a fraud. I think he cared deeply and it will take him a while professionally to recover from his time at Stoke. He clung on to the bitter end, if he wasn't a chancer he would have walked out of professional pride, instead he stumbled on until he was sacked for been an incompetent failure, if it walks like a duck talks like a duck it's a fucking duck the man is a fraud.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 2, 2020 21:34:25 GMT
He wasn't good enough, too big a job we all accept that but Stoke offered him a fortune and being ambitious he took the challenge. He failed miserably but I never thought for a minute he was taking the piss. He wasn't good enough and that's all there is to it, he certainly wasn't a fraud. I think he cared deeply and it will take him a while professionally to recover from his time at Stoke. He clung on to the bitter end, if he wasn't a chancer he would have walked out of professional pride, instead he stumbled on until he was sacked for been an incompetent failure, if it walks like a duck talks like a duck it's a fucking duck the man is a fraud. He hung onto the bitter end because he still believed he could turn it round. He was clearly fucking deluded but because he was deluded doesn't make him a fraud. Hate him all you like and rightly question his ability as a coach but I just don't get this fraud shit considering what he did achieve at Luton
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Post by Davef on Jan 2, 2020 21:47:56 GMT
Christ, we get the best result and performance from a Stoke team for well over two years and there's a four page thread about the worst manager we've ever had, with most posts adding nothing that hasn't been said about the man for the last six months.
Just be glad he's gone.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 21:58:59 GMT
Macclesfield are looking for a new manager.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 2, 2020 22:03:05 GMT
He clung on to the bitter end, if he wasn't a chancer he would have walked out of professional pride, instead he stumbled on until he was sacked for been an incompetent failure, if it walks like a duck talks like a duck it's a fucking duck the man is a fraud. He hung onto the bitter end because he still believed he could turn it round. He was clearly fucking deluded but because he was deluded doesn't make him a fraud. Hate him all you like and rightly question his ability as a coach but I just don't get this fraud shit considering what he did achieve at Luton I agree. I don’t think he was a liar, nor tried to pull the wool over anybody’s eyes. He just had an over inflated belief in his own ability and an abundance of passion. He made some very poor decisions but I don’t think he was ever sniggering behind closed doors that he was fooling us all. He was just a bit crap but didn’t think he was.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 2, 2020 22:32:34 GMT
He hung onto the bitter end because he still believed he could turn it round. He was clearly fucking deluded but because he was deluded doesn't make him a fraud. Hate him all you like and rightly question his ability as a coach but I just don't get this fraud shit considering what he did achieve at Luton I agree. I don’t think he was a liar, nor tried to pull the wool over anybody’s eyes. He just had an over inflated belief in his own ability and an abundance of passion. He made some very poor decisions but I don’t think he was ever sniggering behind closed doors that he was fooling us all. He was just a bit crap but didn’t think he was. Young, hungry, athletic, pacey players a team to be proud of ! he signed 12 players non fitted his pre requisite, non suitable for his preferred system ! if that isn't lying well......
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Post by superpej on Jan 3, 2020 11:08:19 GMT
To understand Nathan Jones you have to see him first and foremost as an Evangelical Christian - for people like him nothing is more important then his relationship with his "Creator". His choice of career as a football manager for which he believes he has a "God given" talent is secondary to his overall beliefs. These include:-
His relationship with his "Maker" is intense and personal - his fate is in "His" hands - if he (and SCFC) was to be successful God had to be "Willing" as we were repeatedly told.
He probably hopes that by living a life of faith by working hard at his vocation (he certainly showed passion and commitment if not competency), attending church and praying regularly then God might in his wisdom might shine His light of grace and favour and grant him some success "look what I did at Luton" - this virtuous circle of hard work and reward would also demonstrate to Nathan that his faith and commitment were "working" in both the here and now and that his place in Heaven was secure in the hereafter.
However in this world view things are never this simple - because God is all powerful in the lives of men Nathan might have to recognize that God will wish to test his Faith to check he is sincere and if necessary punish his sins - was he guilty of the sin of vanity in over egging is past success or was he getting above himself, took on a job too big for him solely out of material greed or personal ego and was beginning place his faith in a false God - "The Diamond" which by he believed would inn itself would bring success.
Clearly he was in danger of getting above himself and needed to be "mightily smote down" (the players he brought in believing them to be the way ahead were simply not up to it, mysterious blunders by key players were clearly signs of divine intervention) - Nathan was deeply troubled by all this he had not given up on God so why had God apparently given up on him - his mental demise was not then solely a result of lack of success on the pitch but a deeper spiritual crisis of his faith
So whether or not you sympathize with Nathan as a likeable person who mistakenly took over a task which was simply too big for him "at this stage of his career" - personally I would prefer if the club took on someone more suited to the role as they seemed to have done now and avoided directors appoint on the basis of advice from a friend in the pub.
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Post by stokeson on Jan 3, 2020 11:44:59 GMT
To understand Nathan Jones you have to see him first and foremost as an Evangelical Christian - for people like him nothing is more important then his relationship with his "Creator". His choice of career as a football manager for which he believes he has a "God given" talent is secondary to his overall beliefs. These include:- His relationship with his "Maker" is intense and personal - his fate is in "His" hands - if he (and SCFC) was to be successful God had to be "Willing" as we were repeatedly told. He probably hopes that by living a life of faith by working hard at his vocation (he certainly showed passion and commitment if not competency), attending church and praying regularly then God might in his wisdom might shine His light of grace and favour and grant him some success "look what I did at Luton" - this virtuous circle of hard work and reward would also demonstrate to Nathan that his faith and commitment were "working" in both the here and now and that his place in Heaven was secure in the hereafter. However in this world view things are never this simple - because God is all powerful in the lives of men Nathan might have to recognize that God will wish to test his Faith to check he is sincere and if necessary punish his sins - was he guilty of the sin of vanity in over egging is past success or was he getting above himself, took on a job too big for him solely out of material greed or personal ego and was beginning place his faith in a false God - "The Diamond" which by he believed would inn itself would bring success. Clearly he was in danger of getting above himself and needed to be "mightily smote down" (the players he brought in believing them to be the way ahead were simply not up to it, mysterious blunders by key players were clearly signs of divine intervention) - Nathan was deeply troubled by all this he had not given up on God so why had God apparently given up on him - his mental demise was not then solely a result of lack of success on the pitch but a deeper spiritual crisis of his faith So whether or not you sympathize with Nathan as a likeable person who mistakenly took over a task which was simply too big for him "at this stage of his career" - personally I would prefer if the club took on someone more suited to the role as they seemed to have done now and avoided directors appoint on the basis of advice from a friend in the pub. This backs up my theory that "God" hates Stoke FC along with most of the rest of the uk.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 12:10:36 GMT
To understand Nathan Jones you have to see him first and foremost as an Evangelical Christian - for people like him nothing is more important then his relationship with his "Creator". His choice of career as a football manager for which he believes he has a "God given" talent is secondary to his overall beliefs. These include:- His relationship with his "Maker" is intense and personal - his fate is in "His" hands - if he (and SCFC) was to be successful God had to be "Willing" as we were repeatedly told. He probably hopes that by living a life of faith by working hard at his vocation (he certainly showed passion and commitment if not competency), attending church and praying regularly then God might in his wisdom might shine His light of grace and favour and grant him some success "look what I did at Luton" - this virtuous circle of hard work and reward would also demonstrate to Nathan that his faith and commitment were "working" in both the here and now and that his place in Heaven was secure in the hereafter. However in this world view things are never this simple - because God is all powerful in the lives of men Nathan might have to recognize that God will wish to test his Faith to check he is sincere and if necessary punish his sins - was he guilty of the sin of vanity in over egging is past success or was he getting above himself, took on a job too big for him solely out of material greed or personal ego and was beginning place his faith in a false God - "The Diamond" which by he believed would inn itself would bring success. Clearly he was in danger of getting above himself and needed to be "mightily smote down" (the players he brought in believing them to be the way ahead were simply not up to it, mysterious blunders by key players were clearly signs of divine intervention) - Nathan was deeply troubled by all this he had not given up on God so why had God apparently given up on him - his mental demise was not then solely a result of lack of success on the pitch but a deeper spiritual crisis of his faith So whether or not you sympathize with Nathan as a likeable person who mistakenly took over a task which was simply too big for him "at this stage of his career" - personally I would prefer if the club took on someone more suited to the role as they seemed to have done now and avoided directors appoint on the basis of advice from a friend in the pub. This backs up my theory that "God" hates Stoke FC along with most of the rest of the uk. I prefer the theory that religion is an advanced form of mental illness. It explains an awful lot GD
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 3, 2020 12:15:59 GMT
To understand Nathan Jones you have to see him first and foremost as an Evangelical Christian - for people like him nothing is more important then his relationship with his "Creator". His choice of career as a football manager for which he believes he has a "God given" talent is secondary to his overall beliefs. These include:- His relationship with his "Maker" is intense and personal - his fate is in "His" hands - if he (and SCFC) was to be successful God had to be "Willing" as we were repeatedly told. He probably hopes that by living a life of faith by working hard at his vocation (he certainly showed passion and commitment if not competency), attending church and praying regularly then God might in his wisdom might shine His light of grace and favour and grant him some success "look what I did at Luton" - this virtuous circle of hard work and reward would also demonstrate to Nathan that his faith and commitment were "working" in both the here and now and that his place in Heaven was secure in the hereafter. However in this world view things are never this simple - because God is all powerful in the lives of men Nathan might have to recognize that God will wish to test his Faith to check he is sincere and if necessary punish his sins - was he guilty of the sin of vanity in over egging is past success or was he getting above himself, took on a job too big for him solely out of material greed or personal ego and was beginning place his faith in a false God - "The Diamond" which by he believed would inn itself would bring success. Clearly he was in danger of getting above himself and needed to be "mightily smote down" (the players he brought in believing them to be the way ahead were simply not up to it, mysterious blunders by key players were clearly signs of divine intervention) - Nathan was deeply troubled by all this he had not given up on God so why had God apparently given up on him - his mental demise was not then solely a result of lack of success on the pitch but a deeper spiritual crisis of his faith So whether or not you sympathize with Nathan as a likeable person who mistakenly took over a task which was simply too big for him "at this stage of his career" - personally I would prefer if the club took on someone more suited to the role as they seemed to have done now and avoided directors appoint on the basis of advice from a friend in the pub. And you know this how? Are you his shrink? If not, it's just made up horse shit like 99% of stuff on here.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 3, 2020 12:18:44 GMT
Christ, we get the best result and performance from a Stoke team for well over two years and there's a four page thread about the worst manager we've ever had, with most posts adding nothing that hasn't been said about the man for the last six months. Just be glad he's gone. Just people trying to show how smart they are by trying to claim they are the first ones who said we would fail. All those months of hoping we lose to prove them right can't be wasted just like that, you know!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 3, 2020 12:21:30 GMT
I was counting down the days until we got rid of him. Many folks were blinded by the fact that he was 'a nice bloke'. He wasn't a nice bloke. He was a fucking tit.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 3, 2020 12:47:08 GMT
Christ, we get the best result and performance from a Stoke team for well over two years and there's a four page thread about the worst manager we've ever had, with most posts adding nothing that hasn't been said about the man for the last six months. Just be glad he's gone. Correct but I thought you were one of the admin people so why don't you lock the thread. I for one predicted his down fall very early on and am sick of reading about him, Please close the thread down!
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