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Post by Davef on Jan 22, 2020 12:58:47 GMT
You've changed your tune in less than 5 months Not at all loan or not he’s an asset that needed its value protecting see Southampton . Why offer Edwards 4 years and let Campbell run down someone is paid circa £1’m a year to make these decisions and got yet another one wrong You have absolutely no idea what the situation is with Tyrese's contract or at what point he's been offered an extension. His father is clearly playing a pivotal role here, and if he's been advising his son not to rush into signing what the hell can Stoke do?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 22, 2020 13:26:12 GMT
Agreed we are not getting £8m at a tribunal but if its sheff united it would have to take into account the £1m+ we paid, his improvement but any fee would have to be full of add ons to get anywhere near what he is worth. If he wants to go and play sunday football its £400k. I really dont see scotland as a smart move Sinclair scored loads and has gone to preston, gary hooper ended up at norwich its an average league with poor defenders unless he is going to score 50 or 60 a season it'll gain him less attention than 20 goals in a championship season. Sinclair was 27 when he went there in fairness, his career is unlikely to have an upward trajectory at that point. Hooper was way more established as a lower league striker than Tyrese and spent one season too long there. In recent years you've had the likes of Morelos, Edouard, Dembele etc all really raise their profile. Also, I don't think you can discount the impact that the prospect of working with Gerrard at Rangers could have on a young player's decision. I really hope he doesn't want to, but unless we give him a fat contract, guarantee to play him (which it seems we have before and not) etc I can't see him staying. You make some fair points, I still think if he has ambitions of playing regular premiership football and for England then playing in Scotland is a backward step.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 22, 2020 13:32:48 GMT
Just to put you right Nzonzi was offered a contract at every window but he made it clear he wanted to move on so wouldn’t enter negotiations....it’s a well known fact Stoke offered better terms than Seville but he wanted to play abroad Campbell has refused to enter negotiations before now as he wanted regular football How many times this needs pointing out ( especially Nzonzi ) is fucking mind blowing How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . Benji has a point look at how Southampton dealt with Wanyama who wouldnt sign a contract in similar circumstances to Nzonzi, they sold him for £11m having paid £12.5m. You cant make a player sign a contract and their market value is what someone will actually pay for them not what you think they should pay for them.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 22, 2020 13:46:14 GMT
Lennon and Gerrard have both completely distanced themselves from any deal to sign Campbell today.
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2020 13:47:46 GMT
How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . Benji has a point look at how Southampton dealt with Wanyama who wouldnt sign a contract in similar circumstances to Nzonzi, they sold him for £11m having paid £12.5m. You cant make a player sign a contract and their market value is what someone will actually pay for them not what you think they should pay for them. We had no choice whatsoever with Shaqiri As for nzonzi Seville said they wouldn’t up any higher and would just let him run his contract down so it was £8m or nothing a few months later
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 22, 2020 13:54:14 GMT
Not at all loan or not he’s an asset that needed its value protecting see Southampton . Why offer Edwards 4 years and let Campbell run down someone is paid circa £1’m a year to make these decisions and got yet another one wrong You have absolutely no idea what the situation is with Tyrese's contract or at what point he's been offered an extension. His father is clearly playing a pivotal role here, and if he's been advising his son not to rush into signing what the hell can Stoke do? If you have no idea how do you know his father is playing a pivotal role ( ( Gotcha )😏
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 22, 2020 13:56:21 GMT
How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . Fucking hells fire I’m sure you can’t be this stupid and are just on a wind up I’m not bothering getting into it with you
This is benji remember!
King of the "I have lots of stats that i've googled and can repeat at will, but unfortunately don't understand ANY of the context behind those stats or largely how football works in general" posts.
The guy's an absolute know nothing, clueless, attention seeking bellend.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 22, 2020 13:57:17 GMT
Benji has a point look at how Southampton dealt with Wanyama who wouldnt sign a contract in similar circumstances to Nzonzi, they sold him for £11m having paid £12.5m. You cant make a player sign a contract and their market value is what someone will actually pay for them not what you think they should pay for them. We had no choice whatsoever with Shaqiri As for nzonzi Seville said they wouldn’t up any higher and would just let him run his contract down so it was £8m or nothing a few months later
Don't let facts get in the way of a good agenda Wezza!
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 22, 2020 15:19:52 GMT
Just to put you right Nzonzi was offered a contract at every window but he made it clear he wanted to move on so wouldn’t enter negotiations....it’s a well known fact Stoke offered better terms than Seville but he wanted to play abroad Campbell has refused to enter negotiations before now as he wanted regular football How many times this needs pointing out ( especially Nzonzi ) is fucking mind blowing How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . How does Arnie come into this apart from proving that if a player wants a move a club can't stop him? He signed an extended contract with us 12 months before forcing a move and did exactly the same at West Ham extending 6 months prior to leaving. All that those improved contracts meant was that he got more money from the two clubs knowing full well he didn't want to play for them. He was rubbish at Stoke in his last season and West Ham hardly played him after he extended his contract.
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Post by Davef on Jan 22, 2020 15:21:52 GMT
You have absolutely no idea what the situation is with Tyrese's contract or at what point he's been offered an extension. His father is clearly playing a pivotal role here, and if he's been advising his son not to rush into signing what the hell can Stoke do? If you have no idea how do you know his father is playing a pivotal role ( ( Gotcha )😏 Because he's basically told everyone on Twitter and in other forms of the media. You're having a mare here.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 22, 2020 15:35:49 GMT
We had no choice whatsoever with Shaqiri As for nzonzi Seville said they wouldn’t up any higher and would just let him run his contract down so it was £8m or nothing a few months later Don't let facts get in the way of a good agenda Wezza!
I did kind of hope it was clear despite saying benji had a point I was being ironic with what I posted afterwards but it obviously wasn't......
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 22, 2020 16:14:44 GMT
If you have no idea how do you know his father is playing a pivotal role ( ( Gotcha )😏 Because he's basically told everyone on Twitter and in other forms of the media. You're having a mare here. Ah so I’m to believe twitter now I’ll test it as w well informed source from now on , no mares here just good old fashioned scepticism and judgment
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 22, 2020 16:16:20 GMT
How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . How does Arnie come into this apart from proving that if a player wants a move a club can't stop him? He signed an extended contract with us 12 months before forcing a move and did exactly the same at West Ham extending 6 months prior to leaving. All that those improved contracts meant was that he got more money from the two clubs knowing full well he didn't want to play for them. He was rubbish at Stoke in his last season and West Ham hardly played him after he extended his contract. It was above mistake To sell him to a first relegation rival effectively £20m in £100m a year out
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Post by Davef on Jan 22, 2020 16:35:45 GMT
Because he's basically told everyone on Twitter and in other forms of the media. You're having a mare here. Ah so I’m to believe twitter now I’ll test it as w well informed source from now on , no mares here just good old fashioned scepticism and judgment Do you seriously think that Kevin Campbell, a well-known and relatively successful Premier League striker (and quite prolific presence on social media) isn't going to be major influence on the future of his 20 year-old professional footballer son? Get a grip man.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 22, 2020 16:49:02 GMT
Because he's basically told everyone on Twitter and in other forms of the media. You're having a mare here. Ah so I’m to believe twitter now I’ll test it as w well informed source from now on , no mares here just good old fashioned scepticism and judgment When the content is written by Kevin Campbell himself, yes. Are you saying that you don’t believe what he writes? Or did you think Twitter write things on his behalf?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 22, 2020 17:06:49 GMT
How does Arnie come into this apart from proving that if a player wants a move a club can't stop him? He signed an extended contract with us 12 months before forcing a move and did exactly the same at West Ham extending 6 months prior to leaving. All that those improved contracts meant was that he got more money from the two clubs knowing full well he didn't want to play for them. He was rubbish at Stoke in his last season and West Ham hardly played him after he extended his contract. It was above mistake To sell him to a first relegation rival effectively £20m in £100m a year out I'm not sure what your reply means but we had no choice unless we wanted a disruptive player on our books. At the time we sold him we were not considered relegation candidates. Do you really think a club can force a player to stay and be totally committed to them. Think what you would be like if someone tried to force you to do something against your will. Perhaps you sit and do it without complaint but I'm sure most people would either refuse or do it grudgingly without any effort. Arnie, Shaqiri and N'zonzi all wanted out, their contracts or lack of them had no bearing at all. Shaqiri only signed for us if he had an escape clause, N'zonzi was out of contract and Arnie had a long contract but the result was the same for all three. If they want to leave you let them. Presumably you think we should force Imbula to play for us. How do you think that would work out?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 22, 2020 17:32:06 GMT
Don't let facts get in the way of a good agenda Wezza!
I did kind of hope it was clear despite saying benji had a point I was being ironic with what I posted afterwards but it obviously wasn't......
Sorry mate, my bad probably for misunderstanding!
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Post by stokey127 on Jan 22, 2020 18:44:35 GMT
You have absolutely no idea what the situation is with Tyrese's contract or at what point he's been offered an extension. His father is clearly playing a pivotal role here, and if he's been advising his son not to rush into signing what the hell can Stoke do? If you have no idea how do you know his father is playing a pivotal role ( ( Gotcha )😏
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Post by stokey127 on Jan 22, 2020 18:47:40 GMT
I just feel we need to keep Tyrese at all costs hes young he scores goals none of our strikers can do we should offer him highest paid player with long term contract. when he goes we will be buying old men strikers or out of favour ones.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 22, 2020 19:36:04 GMT
I just feel we need to keep Tyrese at all costs hes young he scores goals none of our strikers can do we should offer him highest paid player with long term contract. when he goes we will be buying old men strikers or out of favour ones. We certainly should offer a very tempting deal (even with potential add ons) Not sure re highest paid player
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Post by neddy on Jan 22, 2020 19:46:39 GMT
I just feel we need to keep Tyrese at all costs hes young he scores goals none of our strikers can do we should offer him highest paid player with long term contract. when he goes we will be buying old men strikers or out of favour ones. We certainly should offer a very tempting deal (even with potential add ons) Not sure re highest paid player Reading the sentinel website it seems Ric thinks he’s offski!
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Post by jeycov on Jan 22, 2020 19:47:30 GMT
We certainly should offer a very tempting deal (even with potential add ons) Not sure re highest paid player Reading the sentinel website it seems Ric thinks he’s offski! In the summer?
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Post by neddy on Jan 22, 2020 19:48:22 GMT
Reading the sentinel website it seems Ric thinks he’s offski! In the summer? Just sensed from his comments he thinks he will go...
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 22, 2020 19:50:40 GMT
I just feel we need to keep Tyrese at all costs hes young he scores goals none of our strikers can do we should offer him highest paid player with long term contract. when he goes we will be buying old men strikers or out of favour ones. Highest paid player are you kidding me, stick my neck out here and say he aint that good, dont forget the games he did nothing, lets not get all excited about a two matches also dont forget the screw up for the free kick against Brentford and the stamina issues, not saying dont give him a decent contract but highest paid player ? come on that is one of the reasons we are in a mess giving silly contracts to players.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 22, 2020 19:55:20 GMT
I just feel we need to keep Tyrese at all costs hes young he scores goals none of our strikers can do we should offer him highest paid player with long term contract. when he goes we will be buying old men strikers or out of favour ones. He apparantly wants to play football, well he has a manager here that rates him, shouldn't be an issue. If he leaves hopefully it doesnt work out for him and it serves himself right for being an arse. He's got potential but all he has done is bagged a handful of goals at championship level, youd think he was Drogba if you didnt know better. More the fool him if he moves and it doesnt happen for him and mon makes scfc a challenger for the prem
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 22, 2020 23:05:49 GMT
I just feel we need to keep Tyrese at all costs hes young he scores goals none of our strikers can do we should offer him highest paid player with long term contract. when he goes we will be buying old men strikers or out of favour ones. Highest paid player are you kidding me, stick my neck out here and say he aint that good, dont forget the games he did nothing, lets not get all excited about a two matches also dont forget the screw up for the free kick against Brentford and the stamina issues, not saying dont give him a decent contract but highest paid player ? come on that is one of the reasons we are in a mess giving silly contracts to players. He's the best forward we have by a country mile.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 22, 2020 23:16:53 GMT
It was above mistake To sell him to a first relegation rival effectively £20m in £100m a year out I'm not sure what your reply means but we had no choice unless we wanted a disruptive player on our books. At the time we sold him we were not considered relegation candidates. Do you really think a club can force a player to stay and be totally committed to them. Think what you would be like if someone tried to force you to do something against your will. Perhaps you sit and do it without complaint but I'm sure most people would either refuse or do it grudgingly without any effort. Arnie, Shaqiri and N'zonzi all wanted out, their contracts or lack of them had no bearing at all. Shaqiri only signed for us if he had an escape clause, N'zonzi was out of contract and Arnie had a long contract but the result was the same for all three. If they want to leave you let them. Presumably you think we should force Imbula to play for us. How do you think that would work out? You Forget that Nostradamus (AKA Benik) has been predicting relegation for the past 7-8 years, so yes, in his mind anyone in the premier league would be considered a relegation rival.
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Post by CampbxllEra on Jan 22, 2020 23:17:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 23:19:03 GMT
We certainly should offer a very tempting deal (even with potential add ons) Not sure re highest paid player Reading the sentinel website it seems Ric thinks he’s offski! I didn’t get that at all. He just said he hopes he stays??
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Post by apb1979 on Jan 23, 2020 7:25:31 GMT
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