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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 21, 2020 11:59:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:03:34 GMT
MON is our only hope with him
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 21, 2020 12:06:05 GMT
Edwards and Tymon could still come good. I really, really can't see it. Edwards has had a lot of game time now and seems to be getting worse not better. Opponents realised his defensive weaknesses and targeted him and it was quite painful watching him getting exposed this season. Sadly the lower leagues and probably non league beckon for him in the future I reckon. Same with Tymon, he's looked absolutely atrocious every time I've seen him. Would love to be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if I was. Fair points. For me Edwards needs to get his head down and really graft. Wilko made it to the prem and held his own for a period for us and that was down to hard work. Edwards needs to do the same. As for Tymon, there is a player in there but I don't know what's gone on. Again, he needs to work hard but I genuinely think if something clicks with him he will become a very decent player at this level and possibly above. Both have got to want it though and both have got to enjoy playing football again. I don't know how it will go for them but I'm not writing them off just yet.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 21, 2020 12:09:06 GMT
Hoping he'll stay but we'd also be stupid not to be looking for a replacement for him.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 21, 2020 12:24:24 GMT
I really, really can't see it. Edwards has had a lot of game time now and seems to be getting worse not better. Opponents realised his defensive weaknesses and targeted him and it was quite painful watching him getting exposed this season. Sadly the lower leagues and probably non league beckon for him in the future I reckon. Same with Tymon, he's looked absolutely atrocious every time I've seen him. Would love to be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if I was. Fair points. For me Edwards needs to get his head down and really graft. Wilko made it to the prem and held his own for a period for us and that was down to hard work. Edwards needs to do the same. As for Tymon, there is a player in there but I don't know what's gone on. Again, he needs to work hard but I genuinely think if something clicks with him he will become a very decent player at this level and possibly above. Both have got to want it though and both have got to enjoy playing football again. I don't know how it will go for them but I'm not writing them off just yet. I really hope you're right. Wilko for me always had the raw defensive instincts and qualities from a young age, his problem was his lack of technical ability on the ball. He worked really hard and that allowed him to be able to have a career in The Championship and even the Premier League despite the fact that his touch and passing abilities were probably League Two standard. Defensively he just had that natural instinct of positional discipline, and tough but well timed tackling that allowed him to succeed at a high level. Edwards for me just doesn't have that natural defensive nous at all. I see too many fundamental, basic flaws in his game and at 20 with plenty of game time behind him he's actually not that young any more. I think there's just too many problems for him to fix. And as you mention attitude, I've heard rumours on here that he likes a party although I don't know how accurate they are and you always have to take online rumours with a pinch of salt. If true though, he's going nowhere because if he's got any hope of fixing his flaws he's got a lot of very hard work to do. Tymon I've seen less of. And some of the games where he got torn to shreds were in the Premier League as part of a poor team to be fair. It's just that in his few appearances he's immediately looked the weakest player on the pitch every time and looked very out of his depth. Like in that Preston game last season where he got hooked before half time. I'm prepared to give him another chance now he's had some game time abroad. Going abroad at his age shows balls and that he's prepared to work. Maybe that game time away from the spotlight might have improved his fragile looking confidence and shook out that rabbit in the headlights look he had about him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 21, 2020 12:36:49 GMT
www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1231214/Celtic-Rangers-Tyrese-Campbell-Transfer-Headache-Ultimatum-Issued-Stoke-Sheffield-UnitedStoke might now push the England Under-20 international towards Sheffield United, with more money set to be on offer, even though it’ll mean losing him before the end of the season. Campbell has issued an ultimatum, demanding Stoke chiefs make him a fresh offer to stay put beyond the end of the season by the end of this week. Sheffield United’s desire to bolster their over-performing squad, however, might mean Stoke receive a bid that’s just too good to turn down. Celtic and Rangers will have to wait and see how their respective offers are greeted by Campbell with Sheffield United now in the mix.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 21, 2020 12:40:32 GMT
Manager blameless regardless chief executive responsible for contracts under pressure to deliver .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 12:44:22 GMT
www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1231214/Celtic-Rangers-Tyrese-Campbell-Transfer-Headache-Ultimatum-Issued-Stoke-Sheffield-UnitedStoke might now push the England Under-20 international towards Sheffield United, with more money set to be on offer, even though it’ll mean losing him before the end of the season. Campbell has issued an ultimatum, demanding Stoke chiefs make him a fresh offer to stay put beyond the end of the season by the end of this week. Sheffield United’s desire to bolster their over-performing squad, however, might mean Stoke receive a bid that’s just too good to turn down. Celtic and Rangers will have to wait and see how their respective offers are greeted by Campbell with Sheffield United now in the mix. Doesn't really add up with what MON is saying, seems he feels the issue is entirely related to playing time which to be fair I could empathise with.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 21, 2020 12:48:33 GMT
Fair points. For me Edwards needs to get his head down and really graft. Wilko made it to the prem and held his own for a period for us and that was down to hard work. Edwards needs to do the same. As for Tymon, there is a player in there but I don't know what's gone on. Again, he needs to work hard but I genuinely think if something clicks with him he will become a very decent player at this level and possibly above. Both have got to want it though and both have got to enjoy playing football again. I don't know how it will go for them but I'm not writing them off just yet. I really hope you're right. Wilko for me always had the raw defensive instincts and qualities from a young age, his problem was his lack of technical ability on the ball. He worked really hard and that allowed him to be able to have a career in The Championship and even the Premier League despite the fact that his touch and passing abilities were probably League Two standard. Defensively he just had that natural instinct of positional discipline, and tough but well timed tackling that allowed him to succeed at a high level. Edwards for me just doesn't have that natural defensive nous at all. I see too many fundamental, basic flaws in his game and at 20 with plenty of game time behind him he's actually not that young any more. I think there's just too many problems for him to fix. And as you mention attitude, I've heard rumours on here that he likes a party although I don't know how accurate they are and you always have to take online rumours with a pinch of salt. If true though, he's going nowhere because if he's got any hope of fixing his flaws he's got a lot of very hard work to do. Tymon I've seen less of. And some of the games where he got torn to shreds were in the Premier League as part of a poor team to be fair. It's just that in his few appearances he's immediately looked the weakest player on the pitch every time and looked very out of his depth. Like in that Preston game last season where he got hooked before half time. I'm prepared to give him another chance now he's had some game time abroad. Going abroad at his age shows balls and that he's prepared to work. Maybe that game time away from the spotlight might have improved his fragile looking confidence and shook out that rabbit in the headlights look he had about him. My Tyson comments are more based around the few glimpses I saw of him for England youth teams - he could beat people and had the pace to recover, maybe that was because he was up against youth. He did look decent on the ball and that’s what I’ve not seen at stoke, just didn’t seem to have any composure. Who knows, maybe with the way the teams gone the last few years that’s been part of the problem and if they’re in a team playing well and with confidence it. Ignite help them develop. That said Campbell hasn’t looked back since getting a chance.
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2020 13:07:42 GMT
Regardless of his contract, the lad has been mismanaged by at least the last two managers. He's going to be on his way save some kind of miracle. H Rowett didnt use him at all Jones did play him & the loaned him out, it was a useful loan as he got games & scored goals but it would have been better if he'd been playing for us Lambert....virtually no-one was upset when he left (I wasn't) however he absolutely was giving youngsters a go
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 21, 2020 13:11:12 GMT
Manager blameless regardless chief executive responsible for contracts under pressure to deliver . You can't pin this on Scholes, he came here to play games, the last 2 managers chose to buy and loan other strikers. The only person that can get TC to stay is MON.
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2020 13:11:18 GMT
www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1231214/Celtic-Rangers-Tyrese-Campbell-Transfer-Headache-Ultimatum-Issued-Stoke-Sheffield-UnitedStoke might now push the England Under-20 international towards Sheffield United, with more money set to be on offer, even though it’ll mean losing him before the end of the season. Campbell has issued an ultimatum, demanding Stoke chiefs make him a fresh offer to stay put beyond the end of the season by the end of this week. Sheffield United’s desire to bolster their over-performing squad, however, might mean Stoke receive a bid that’s just too good to turn down. Celtic and Rangers will have to wait and see how their respective offers are greeted by Campbell with Sheffield United now in the mix. interesting that suggests Campbell is open to staying,now, but wants better terms (more £,better bonuses,longer contract,release clauses whatever) O'Neill has made it abundantly clear that he is pushing for the player to stay Up to Tony Scholes now to offer a bloody good deal, this sin't the time to be 'cute'
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 21, 2020 13:14:56 GMT
Manager blameless regardless chief executive responsible for contracts under pressure to deliver . Lack of playing time under a string of different managers has been the issue
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Post by eddyclamp on Jan 21, 2020 13:18:03 GMT
Stoke won`t be in a position to offer what Sheffield Utd. can regards wages.
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2020 13:19:32 GMT
Stoke won`t be in a position to offer what Sheffield Utd. can regards wages. But we can offer him decent wages & game time
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 21, 2020 13:22:27 GMT
Stoke won`t be in a position to offer what Sheffield Utd. can regards wages. But the player and his dad claim the reason he might leave is down to a lack of playing time? Is he going to get a regular game at Sheffield United?
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 21, 2020 13:22:43 GMT
Manager blameless regardless chief executive responsible for contracts under pressure to deliver . Lack of playing time under a string of different managers has been the issue Bang on, ty was a victim of circumstance. He has been neglected whilst the club have wrangled with different management styles and relegation form reluctance to change and use youth. He will be a big player for this club, its whether he wants to stay but judging by his celebrations and singing along to delilah last night in front of the cameras, he doesn't look like hes fell out of love with the club just yet.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 21, 2020 13:23:52 GMT
Lack of playing time under a string of different managers has been the issue Bang on, ty was a victim of circumstance. He has been neglected whilst the club have wrangled with different management styles and relegation form reluctance to change and use youth. He will be a big player for this club, its whether he wants to stay but judging by his celebrations and singing along to delilah last night in front of the cameras, he doesn't look like hes fell out of love with the club just yet. Let’s hope so, we need this kids eye for a goal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 13:35:20 GMT
His injury could have a big bearing on his future. The clubs in for him don't need him this season.We do. If he's going to be out for a few months.....it doesn't sound like he will to be fair..... we'd get maximum return by selling to Sheff utd in this window
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Post by stokecitydom on Jan 21, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
It’s scandalous that we are even in this position.
I think most of us could see that he had something about him. All he needed was some games, confidence & abit of love.
Instead we waste money on Gregory & Hogan, when we had a better player than both of those two already in the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 13:37:34 GMT
His injury could have a big bearing on his future. The clubs in for him don't need him this season.We do. If he's going to be out for a few months.....it doesn't sound like he will to be fair..... we'd get maximum return by selling to Sheff utd in this window If he did have an injury keeping him out some time it might up our chances of keeping him if anything.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 21, 2020 13:40:04 GMT
www.skysports.com/transfer-centreStoke City’s medical staff will assess Tyrese Campbell’s hamstring injury later today, but it’s thought the injury isn’t as serious as was first feared, and it won’t put off Celtic and Rangers who are competing for his signature.
Campbell limped off after just 25 minutes at the Hawthorns last night, having already scored the goal that turned out to be the winner. He will miss Saturday’s Championship game at home to Swansea, but Stoke hope he could be involved in the match at Derby – live on Sky Sports – in 10 days’ time.
The 20-year-old is in the final six months of his contract with Stoke, and he’s been the subject of intense interest from clubs in England and Scotland.
Campbell is free to sign a pre-contract agreement with a new club, and has already had initial talks with the two Glasgow giants.
But manager Michael O’Neill said after last night’s game that he is still hopeful Campbell will pledge his future to Stoke. O’Neill says he is keen to build an attack around Campbell, and so is offering him an opportunity he hasn’t had at the club so far.
Campbell – advised by his father Kevin, the former Everton and Arsenal striker – has persistently refused to sign a new Stoke contract.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 21, 2020 13:46:09 GMT
His injury could have a big bearing on his future. The clubs in for him don't need him this season.We do. If he's going to be out for a few months.....it doesn't sound like he will to be fair..... we'd get maximum return by selling to Sheff utd in this window If he did have an injury keeping him out some time it might up our chances of keeping him if anything. I doubt it, if he does not go in Jan then his game-time with us for the rest of the season will be a massive factor. Won't do our case any good if he is stuck on the treatment table before Celtic & Rangers come waving £ notes in his face.
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 21, 2020 13:51:22 GMT
He doesn't want to sign, but he'll do well to get a club who are willing or able to play him regularly at Champ/Prem or equivalent standard.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 21, 2020 14:03:54 GMT
Tyrese being unhappy with the lack of playing time afforded to him because of the managerial changes isn't just one of those things, it's completely representative of the fact the board have lurched from manager to manager and playing style to playing style, letting them further bloat the squad in the process.
A coherent structure with a dedicated recruitment strategy and managerial appointments to match it would have gone a long way to ensuring Tyrese and other youth players had a clear pathway to becoming first team regulars. We can't brush this under the carpet as something that the club have got wrong. If you're signing a 17-18 year old for 1.75 million at tribunal, you should work towards ensuring they make it, not just give in to managerial whims.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 21, 2020 14:06:25 GMT
Manager blameless regardless chief executive responsible for contracts under pressure to deliver . You can't pin this on Scholes, he came here to play games, the last 2 managers chose to buy and loan other strikers. The only person that can get TC to stay is MON. It's representative of a wider structure present at the club that makes it very difficult for players to graduate from the youth team to the first team. It might not necessarily be "Scholes' Fault" but when was the last time we developed a player who featured In more than 50 league games for the club? This is absolutely one of the things that has to be improved upon and modernised.
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Post by juiceandbits on Jan 21, 2020 14:08:29 GMT
If he stayed I think he’d be electric next season and be the 20-a-season striker we’ve been craving for so long.
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 21, 2020 14:21:19 GMT
You can't pin this on Scholes, he came here to play games, the last 2 managers chose to buy and loan other strikers. The only person that can get TC to stay is MON. It's representative of a wider structure present at the club that makes it very difficult for players to graduate from the youth team to the first team. It might not necessarily be "Scholes' Fault" but when was the last time we developed a player who featured In more than 50 league games for the club? This is absolutely one of the things that has to be improved upon and modernised. Oh I agree, we've been far too willing to let managers sign players instead of insisting the youth get looked at, like signing CCV on loan was just putting another block infront of Collins.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 21, 2020 15:17:42 GMT
It's representative of a wider structure present at the club that makes it very difficult for players to graduate from the youth team to the first team. It might not necessarily be "Scholes' Fault" but when was the last time we developed a player who featured In more than 50 league games for the club? This is absolutely one of the things that has to be improved upon and modernised. Oh I agree, we've been far too willing to let managers sign players instead of insisting the youth get looked at, like signing CCV on loan was just putting another block infront of Collins. Is he or is he not on charge of contracts very simple A very valuable asset has run his contest down see Nzonzi , lessons learned ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 15:22:11 GMT
I can see us selling him this window and trying to replace him with Cosgrove, and ultimately flapping about trying to get someone in on loan.
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