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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 10, 2020 21:51:20 GMT
Would of had in Jan for the remainder of the season but not now and he isn't a natural left back sick of having 'can do a job there' that's not going to get us out the league Tbf it got us promoted last time
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 10, 2020 21:57:19 GMT
Struggling to think of the last ageing pro signing that worked - possibly Glen Johnson? We already have one of the oldest and slowest teams in the league!
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Post by lordb on Jun 10, 2020 22:10:50 GMT
Struggling to think of the last ageing pro signing that worked - possibly Glen Johnson? We already have one of the oldest and slowest teams in the league! Do we?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 10, 2020 22:37:15 GMT
Not overly excited by this one.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 10, 2020 22:44:49 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Jun 11, 2020 5:53:14 GMT
Considering some of the mercenaries we have signed and in some cases still have on our books, how a player with Brunts credentials and impeccable team man on a 12 month contract can be sniffed at by Stoke fan's amazes me. His influence and standard's off the pitch, may be as important as his skills on the pitch. He might well be seen for a coaching role in the future as well. Darren Fletcher Brunt is much stronger,fitter and better now than DF was when we signed HIM I think.
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2020 7:11:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 7:50:13 GMT
The last time we signed someone from northern Ireland , of a similar age to Chris brunt ,we ended up with Gerry taggart , and he was no push over .
He wasn't exactly quick , but he was a solid and influential bit of kit , come match day .
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 11, 2020 7:54:01 GMT
Brunt is much stronger,fitter and better now than DF was when we signed HIM I think. Stephen Ward was strong and fit one day! He’s 36 this year - it won’t last forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 7:54:19 GMT
Federici, Ward and Diouf are out of contract. That brings down the average age to just under 26. If we can shift some more out and bring in some more of the profile of Oakley-Boothe and Thompson, then players like Brunt will dovetail nicely with those types of players. It's all about balance isn't it? We can't just fill our squad with kids. The issue for me is the type of ageing pro we've brought in over the last few years, not the fact they are older. Johnson, Fletcher et al were all players that had no real redeeming feature.
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 11, 2020 8:00:13 GMT
Federici, Ward and Diouf are out of contract. That brings down the average age to just under 26. If we can shift some more out and bring in some more of the profile of Oakley-Boothe and Thompson, then players like Brunt will dovetail nicely with those types of players. It's all about balance isn't it? We can't just fill our squad with kids. The issue for me is the type of ageing pro we've brought in over the last few years, not the fact they are older. Johnson, Fletcher et al were all players that had no real redeeming feature. Bit harsh on Johnson, he was good at first but faded badly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 8:14:13 GMT
Federici, Ward and Diouf are out of contract. That brings down the average age to just under 26. If we can shift some more out and bring in some more of the profile of Oakley-Boothe and Thompson, then players like Brunt will dovetail nicely with those types of players. It's all about balance isn't it? We can't just fill our squad with kids. The issue for me is the type of ageing pro we've brought in over the last few years, not the fact they are older. Johnson, Fletcher et al were all players that had no real redeeming feature. Bit harsh on Johnson, he was good at first but faded badly. He did okay, but that wasn't the point I was making. He faded badly because his legs went and he couldn't do what he was brought into do, and he couldn't carry out his trademark - which was an attacking full back that couldn't really defend. He turned quickly into an attacking full back that couldn't get up the pitch like he used to and he still couldn't defend. We later found out that he was one of the experienced pros that chucked the towel in before a ball was kicked in the relegation season, sat in the dressing room in Pre Season 'calling it' before it happened. The point about experienced players is picking them for their character (Brunt is desperate to come and play for O'Neill by his own admission) and that they have something still left to give. He's a set piece specialist which is vital, or could be vital, in this league and could be worth an unknown number of extra points per season. If you look back at all of our good experienced players that we've signed over the years, they all have had some kind of redeeming feature. Taggart, for example, couldn't move but was a true leader and an organiser and was perfect for what we needed at the time. I just think we need to analyse it for what it potentially is. A rock solid pro, a player desperate to come and represent our manager on the pitch and a player with a wand of a left foot.
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 11, 2020 8:26:54 GMT
I can't remember the last time we scored direct from a free kick around the 18 yard area, Joe Allen at Sheff Utd maybe, yet we seem to concede shedloads against us. Brunt may well increase that output so every little helps😃
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 11, 2020 8:29:27 GMT
Federici, Ward and Diouf are out of contract. That brings down the average age to just under 26. If we can shift some more out and bring in some more of the profile of Oakley-Boothe and Thompson, then players like Brunt will dovetail nicely with those types of players. It's all about balance isn't it? We can't just fill our squad with kids. The issue for me is the type of ageing pro we've brought in over the last few years, not the fact they are older. Johnson, Fletcher et al were all players that had no real redeeming feature. Bit harsh on Johnson, he was good at first but faded badly. I agree. I was not impressed when Johnson was signed but on observing thought he was better than I expected. He defended well and offered an attacking threat. i agree he did go off steadily as seasons progressed. I also thought Fletcher started reasonably well but had a stinker in a match against Chelsea when Zouma was unable to play and he was pretty poor after that.
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 11, 2020 8:51:30 GMT
Johnson was a good signing (even made it back into the England squad at one point) but we should have had a capable understudy ready for the day his legs went. Should have been the same with Fletcher.
With all of these signings you run the risk that at any point they could turn crap so it’s a massive gamble to rely on them as the only option. On top of that you have increased risk of injury and they’ll likely to struggle to play two games in a week (at least to a decent standard).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 9:27:29 GMT
Bit harsh on Johnson, he was good at first but faded badly. He did okay, but that wasn't the point I was making. He faded badly because his legs went and he couldn't do what he was brought into do, and he couldn't carry out his trademark - which was an attacking full back that couldn't really defend. He turned quickly into an attacking full back that couldn't get up the pitch like he used to and he still couldn't defend. We later found out that he was one of the experienced pros that chucked the towel in before a ball was kicked in the relegation season, sat in the dressing room in Pre Season 'calling it' before it happened. The point about experienced players is picking them for their character (Brunt is desperate to come and play for O'Neill by his own admission) and that they have something still left to give. He's a set piece specialist which is vital, or could be vital, in this league and could be worth an unknown number of extra points per season. If you look back at all of our good experienced players that we've signed over the years, they all have had some kind of redeeming feature. Taggart, for example, couldn't move but was a true leader and an organiser and was perfect for what we needed at the time. I just think we need to analyse it for what it potentially is. A rock solid pro, a player desperate to come and represent our manager on the pitch and a player with a wand of a left foot. Kind of a moot point for me, you're talking with hindsight... When we signed Fletcher he was two years younger than Brunt is now, he'd also missed a lot of football with his illness so there was this idea he might have more in the tank (like is often the case with players who broke out late i.e. Jamie Vardy). His redeeming features were meant to be his leadership, passing quality and discipline. On the pitch he offered nowt in the end. My point is that every player signed is signed for their 'redeeming features' but until they play for us we don't know if they'll have them or not. Atleast when you sign someone young with a decent attitude you can guarantee a level of athleticism. Personally, if this is a one year contract I can stomach it, any longer and it's a borderline disaster of a signing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2020 9:55:30 GMT
Brunt is much stronger,fitter and better now than DF was when we signed HIM I think. I hope so but people were saying the exact same things for and against him so it's not hard to see why people aren't enthused. His lack of playing time this year has to be a worry?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 11, 2020 10:27:30 GMT
I don't think Gerry Taggart was anywhere near 36 when he signed for us was he?
Actually, according to Wiki he was 33 when he first came on loan in 2003 and then 36 when he left in 2006!!!!
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2020 11:14:31 GMT
He did okay, but that wasn't the point I was making. He faded badly because his legs went and he couldn't do what he was brought into do, and he couldn't carry out his trademark - which was an attacking full back that couldn't really defend. He turned quickly into an attacking full back that couldn't get up the pitch like he used to and he still couldn't defend. We later found out that he was one of the experienced pros that chucked the towel in before a ball was kicked in the relegation season, sat in the dressing room in Pre Season 'calling it' before it happened. The point about experienced players is picking them for their character (Brunt is desperate to come and play for O'Neill by his own admission) and that they have something still left to give. He's a set piece specialist which is vital, or could be vital, in this league and could be worth an unknown number of extra points per season. If you look back at all of our good experienced players that we've signed over the years, they all have had some kind of redeeming feature. Taggart, for example, couldn't move but was a true leader and an organiser and was perfect for what we needed at the time. I just think we need to analyse it for what it potentially is. A rock solid pro, a player desperate to come and represent our manager on the pitch and a player with a wand of a left foot. Kind of a moot point for me, you're talking with hindsight... When we signed Fletcher he was two years younger than Brunt is now, he'd also missed a lot of football with his illness so there was this idea he might have more in the tank (like is often the case with players who broke out late i.e. Jamie Vardy). His redeeming features were meant to be his leadership, passing quality and discipline. On the pitch he offered nowt in the end. My point is that every player signed is signed for their 'redeeming features' but until they play for us we don't know if they'll have them or not. Atleast when you sign someone young with a decent attitude you can guarantee a level of athleticism. Personally, if this is a one year contract I can stomach it, any longer and it's a borderline disaster of a signing. The report stated one year contract
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Post by baystokie on Jun 11, 2020 12:03:16 GMT
He did okay, but that wasn't the point I was making. He faded badly because his legs went and he couldn't do what he was brought into do, and he couldn't carry out his trademark - which was an attacking full back that couldn't really defend. He turned quickly into an attacking full back that couldn't get up the pitch like he used to and he still couldn't defend. We later found out that he was one of the experienced pros that chucked the towel in before a ball was kicked in the relegation season, sat in the dressing room in Pre Season 'calling it' before it happened. The point about experienced players is picking them for their character (Brunt is desperate to come and play for O'Neill by his own admission) and that they have something still left to give. He's a set piece specialist which is vital, or could be vital, in this league and could be worth an unknown number of extra points per season. If you look back at all of our good experienced players that we've signed over the years, they all have had some kind of redeeming feature. Taggart, for example, couldn't move but was a true leader and an organiser and was perfect for what we needed at the time. I just think we need to analyse it for what it potentially is. A rock solid pro, a player desperate to come and represent our manager on the pitch and a player with a wand of a left foot. Kind of a moot point for me, you're talking with hindsight... When we signed Fletcher he was two years younger than Brunt is now, he'd also missed a lot of football with his illness so there was this idea he might have more in the tank (like is often the case with players who broke out late i.e. Jamie Vardy). His redeeming features were meant to be his leadership, passing quality and discipline. On the pitch he offered nowt in the end. My point is that every player signed is signed for their 'redeeming features' but until they play for us we don't know if they'll have them or not. Atleast when you sign someone young with a decent attitude you can guarantee a level of athleticism. Personally, if this is a one year contract I can stomach it, any longer and it's a borderline disaster of a signing. Fair enough except that I would want young players with more than athleticism (eg has he a football brain; can he trap a ball, can he run WITH the ball?). I would hope that the height of our 'ambition' this season is to stay in the championship - then we can think of next season.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 11, 2020 12:11:31 GMT
If the manager sees a useful job for him then I wouldn't second guess that. If it's a transfer team, money saving fudge then it would most likely be problematic.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 11, 2020 12:42:09 GMT
I still think we should have signed Birger Meling from Rosenborg in Norway. His contract is soon up and he might end up in Nimes in France for less tan £1M! That is a bargain for a Norwegians international!
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Post by nott1 on Jun 11, 2020 13:19:06 GMT
I still think we should have signed Birger Meling from Rosenborg in Norway. His contract is soon up and he might end up in Nimes in France for less tan £1M! That is a bargain for a Norwegians international! Big Mel & chips then?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 11, 2020 14:10:11 GMT
I still think we should have signed Birger Meling from Rosenborg in Norway. His contract is soon up and he might end up in Nimes in France for less tan £1M! That is a bargain for a Norwegians international! Big Mel & chips then? You first have to explain Big Mel to me! Don't forget I'm a foreigner!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 11, 2020 15:44:12 GMT
A transfer so predictable it’s depressing.
Would love to see us loan some youngsters from the top league. An athletic left back that can get up and down. I’d even prefer to give Tymon more time.
I think I said exactly this last year with Stephen Ward.
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2020 16:02:49 GMT
A transfer so predictable it’s depressing. Would love to see us loan some youngsters from the top league. An athletic left back that can get up and down. I’d even prefer to give Tymon more time. I think I said exactly this last year with Stephen Ward. Ward was supposed to be the back up to James Justin If Brunt comes in as first choice left back and his legs have gone (as with Ward) then it's just not on.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 11, 2020 17:00:45 GMT
Why can't we sign up and coming players rather than deals like this? I given up on ever watching a Stoke side play with pace.
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Post by markby on Jun 11, 2020 17:54:48 GMT
Why can't we sign up and coming players rather than deals like this? As an outsider - therefore open to correction - I can see three reasons for this one:
1. You're hamstrung financially by FFP;
2. Can't afford to take your eye off the ball just yet i.e. Michael has to make sure you're out of the mire first, before looking to the future;
3. The best young up and coming players tend to have options, and at least until 2. is sorted, Stoke aren't the most attractive club around right now.
(Don't mean to offend, never mind troll, with those comments btw and if it's any consolation, Michael was never slow to throw in the kids for NI the moment he felt them ready)
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 11, 2020 19:24:03 GMT
Ward was supposed to be the back up to James Justin If Brunt comes in as first choice left back and his legs have gone (as with Ward) then it's just not on. A transfer policy of putting the cart before the horse.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 11, 2020 19:58:14 GMT
If he signed could he play this season? I'm not quite sure how the window / signings work.
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