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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 9:58:17 GMT
The first was a freak goal- the ball took a slight deflection off our defender's foot and sort of spun/looped into the far side of the net at a weird angle. Nothing Butland could do about that. The second one I'm not so sure about. The ball was right on the edge of our 6 yard box and, for me, a decent keeper comes out and punches that away. The reflex save from the header was OK, but I thought he made a mistake in diving at the rebound like superman rather than rushing out and spreading his body Schmeichel-style. It was one of those situations where genuinely top-class keepers make sure their team don't concede. You cant come for that second one. Butlands starting position is exactly how you get taught. 3/4s back from the front post. Slightly off your line. Half turned so you can see the ball being kicked but also what's in front of you. However, there are then two Wednesday players and three Stoke players all in front of him in the 6 yard box. It's a good corner. To come and punch that or catch it you have got to get in front of the player who eventually heads it / Campbell. At the same time you need to avoid Cousins who's ended up a yard in front of you. That takes some pretty nifty footwork but also some anticipation about where the ball is going. Having just conceded from one whipped right to the near post you aren't going to be able to. If you do though, it's risk v reward. The box is crowded. Any manner of things could happen that cause a fuck up and concede an easy goal. The alternate option is stay in your line, hope Campbell heads clear, or challenges properly, or you make a save from the header. Campbell didn't do one of two. Butland did three. It's a bloody good save too, the balls at chest height coming at speed. He did really well to get that tipped against the bar. Unfortunately there is then a totally unmarked man to stick away the rebound.
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Post by block23 on Dec 28, 2019 10:01:41 GMT
Southall??? He played about 3 games and got us relegated My lasting memory of Southall was him "sprinting" out of the area to close down that through ball and being so horrendously late. So late, it makes Sonko's (vs Blackburn) and Collins' (Bolton) penalty challenges look perfectly timed! Nothing wrong with being in the minority mate, it is your opinion. I have had another look at the goals and can’t in all honestly see how Butland can take any blame for either. One thing that does strike me , and it is probably tactical rather than player error, if we had a man on the back post a la old school, the first would have been unlikely to go in and the second would have been more difficult for the goal scorer as there would have been someone to at least make a challenge.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 28, 2019 18:10:40 GMT
Football is about opinions, I suspect you will be in the minority with this one, nothing more Jack could do with the goals. The written and tv press quote an excellent save from Jack for the second. Liam said on radio Stoke it was a good save, where were the defenders? I am definitely in the minority , it's true !! Which is surprising me . Imo federici and grant were both more consistent than butland, less error prone and didn't deserve to be dropped I am in the minority , but I still think we are asking for trouble sticking with a goalie who stays on his line , when a ball comes across his 6 yard box . Clearly the majority are prepared to let this slide , but I think its asking for trouble . If was the opposition manager , I would tell my players to whip the ball across his 6 yard box all day long . He aint comming for it , so there is a 50 per cent chance you will score Staying on your line , for every corner , every ball across your 6 yard box ,is kids football ,not professional football People will say Banks wouldn't have kept it out Shilton , sorro , wouldn't have saved it blah blah And I say , no , they used to go for balls across their six yard box and take them or punch them clear , not stay on their line all the time But you are right , I am in the minority , a lot of Stoke fans are happy with him staying on his line Unfortunately, I think you are correct - he simply does not command his 6-yard box very well. The 1st goal is shocking positioning: the Wednesday player was 2 yards from the touchline when he got his flick and the ball was then allowed to go all the way across the 6-yard box to the opposite post, If he is a bit further off his line he picks that up - it was another mistake to go with the 1 in the 1st half and the myriad of others this season and this in a game when we were looking comfortable - it could have cost us yet again. Their 2nd goal was actually a good cross and just outside the 6-yard box and brilliant reaction save from him. That said if he is 1 yard off his line(instead of glued to it) he narrows the angle down further and that might of actually gone over the bar instead of hitting it and going back out. Also not quite sure how he let the player get his head to the rebound - for me could have done better there - but he could also be asking his players to get the rebounds after doing his bit and the initial header looked to be by 1 of Sheff wed smaller players - either way he had 2 Stoke players around him who both just seem to duck out the way. Also for the 1st goal he could be asking where his defence was - it was a low cross to the near post - that has to be picked up by a Stoke defender in the 1st place - he is not being helped by his defence. That said, his 1 on 1's are shocking, as stated, he makes numerous other bizarre mistakes, his decision making is poor - not sure how long we can keep protecting him. He does not look like he receives any coaching and just keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over. He desperately needs to move on in the window, hopefully move to a well ran club where he will get the proper coaching and maybe revive his career. Nice lad and I wish him all the best, but bottom line an absolute liability for us at the moment
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 1, 2020 14:23:14 GMT
Villa GK Heaton taken off with a knee injury at Burnley.
Possible chance they may look to Butland on loan...
Factor in Hogan loan return..
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Post by 3putts on Jan 1, 2020 14:53:58 GMT
Op obviously has a thing against jb. I think jb would be the first to put his hand up that he has dropped some clangers this season, however he is still in plus points for us since he has been between the sticks. If the op ever managed to get to a game he would see
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 1, 2020 14:56:39 GMT
Villa GK Heaton taken off with a knee injury at Burnley. Possible chance they may look to Butland on loan... Factor in Hogan loan return.. Interesting call , I don’t think O’Neil would be kern in that one but it might not be his call .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 14:57:07 GMT
Op obviously has a thing against jb. I think jb would be the first to put his hand up that he has dropped some clangers this season, however he is still in plus points for us since he has been between the sticks. If the op ever managed to get to a game he would see He lets in half of the shots opposition sides have on target.
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Post by wherty on Jan 1, 2020 15:58:33 GMT
Villa GK Heaton taken off with a knee injury at Burnley. Possible chance they may look to Butland on loan... Factor in Hogan loan return.. If any go there it'll be fedders on loan as he's the one due to leave.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2020 16:01:23 GMT
He really does terrify me. Makes the odd great save but doesn’t command his area at all and comes for nothing.
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Post by adi on Jan 1, 2020 16:03:10 GMT
Op obviously has a thing against jb. I think jb would be the first to put his hand up that he has dropped some clangers this season, however he is still in plus points for us since he has been between the sticks. If the op ever managed to get to a game he would see I think overall, based on two seasons, he hasn’t been good enough. Gareth Southgate has seen that too. Also explains why he’s still at Stoke at the wrong end of the Championship.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2020 16:08:36 GMT
He really does terrify me. Makes the odd great save but doesn’t command his area at all and comes for nothing. I rest my case. He just stood there. He should have been all over that. Please drop him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 16:10:33 GMT
Wow. Two absolute howlers. No defence of him here. Woeful keeping.
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Post by adi on Jan 1, 2020 16:11:42 GMT
Op obviously has a thing against jb. I think jb would be the first to put his hand up that he has dropped some clangers this season, however he is still in plus points for us since he has been between the sticks. If the op ever managed to get to a game he would see Seen his latest offering?
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Post by DC1863 on Jan 1, 2020 16:11:51 GMT
Is Jack statisticly the worst keeper in the championship?
His mistakes leading to goals must be the highest in the division , and still climbing.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 1, 2020 16:11:59 GMT
Catch the ball first time rather than pushing it behind and we would still be leading. Please let west ham take him.
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Post by mrred on Jan 1, 2020 16:12:03 GMT
Making up for the balls he kept out the other day. Fuuuuuuuuck oooooooooooff
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Post by elystokie on Jan 1, 2020 16:12:40 GMT
We can't continue like this, it'll shatter any fragile confidence the defence might have, I hope to fuck somebody wants him in January, I just can't see it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2020 16:15:39 GMT
He’s truly woeful and you can see the defence don’t trust him. How does he keep his place ahead of Federici
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 16:15:42 GMT
What did Federici do wrong?
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Post by onionman on Jan 1, 2020 16:16:47 GMT
I never thought I’d say this, but Carl Muggleton is no longer our worst ever goalkeeper.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 1, 2020 16:17:35 GMT
Bring on Davies to keep us the point
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Post by davelistersdad on Jan 1, 2020 16:18:31 GMT
The bloke is a fucking liability.
Fuck him off please Michael.
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Post by DentySCFC on Jan 1, 2020 16:20:50 GMT
Needs releasing.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 1, 2020 16:44:13 GMT
Needs releasing! Now you are just being daft.
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Post by 1972stokey on Jan 1, 2020 16:47:56 GMT
Can’t believe the commentator on Sky just said ‘ What Butland has had to do he has done well’ . Must have been asleep for the two Huddersfield goals.
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Post by duckling on Jan 1, 2020 16:51:32 GMT
As someone who had my career ended due to health problems, I feel sadness and empathy for Jack. He would be one of the best in the world today if not for that injury.
I heard a physio for high level athletes in another sport say that many of his patients are totally recovered physically, but mentally they are still injured. The injury and recovery time can be a traumatic experience, and it affects their physical performance on a subconscious level. I have a feeling this is happening with Jack.
Jack would do well to find himself a good sports psychologist. If he's not seeing one right now, he needs to start immediately. If he's seeing one right now, they obviously aren't doing a good job, and he should find a new one.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 1, 2020 16:55:39 GMT
As someone who had my career ended due to health problems, I feel sadness and empathy for Jack. He would be one of the best in the world today if not for that injury. I heard a physio for high level athletes in another sport say that many of his patients are totally recovered physically, but mentally they are still injured. The injury and recovery time can be a traumatic experience, and it affects their physical performance on a subconscious level. I have a feeling this is happening with Jack. Jack would do well to find himself a good sports psychologist. If he's not seeing one right now, he needs to start immediately. If he's seeing one right now, they obviously aren't doing a good job, and he should find a new one. I think a new start at a different club would be best all round might have to be league 1/2 now though
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 16:56:15 GMT
What did Federici do wrong? He's not a high profile player
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Post by DentySCFC on Jan 1, 2020 17:02:54 GMT
Needs releasing! Now you are just being daft. Take it you haven’t watched him this season then. An absolute liability.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 1, 2020 17:05:26 GMT
What did Federici do wrong? He's not a high profile player He’s also shite
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