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Post by partickpotter on Jan 27, 2020 10:22:03 GMT
Sloppy start from England, why the hell is Root bowling himself? Currently gone for 22 runs off 2 overs....... EDIT Elgar gone C&b Stokes. Now get Joe off and a proper bowler on..... We know why Root is bowling - it's because we fucked up the selection of the side. With Stokes as a 4th seamer we need to pick our three best quick bowlers and our best spinner. You never, ever go into a test with 6 quicks. Well you shouldn't!! Our three best available pacemen are Broad, Wood and Woakes; our best spinner is Bess. Sadly, for Curran, that means he misses out. But that is what we should have done. And then Root wouldn't have been bowling this morning. And Wood would have taken the new ball.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 10:35:50 GMT
Sloppy start from England, why the hell is Root bowling himself? Currently gone for 22 runs off 2 overs....... EDIT Elgar gone C&b Stokes. Now get Joe off and a proper bowler on..... We know why Root is bowling - it's because we fucked up the selection of the side. With Stokes as a 4th seamer we need to pick our three best quick bowlers and our best spinner. You never, ever go into a test with 6 quicks. Well you shouldn't!! Our three best available pacemen are Broad, Wood and Woakes; our best spinner is Bess. Sadly, for Curran, that means he misses out. But that is what we should have done. And then Root wouldn't have been bowling this morning. And Wood would have taken the new ball. They bowled Curran because he's only really effective when the ball moves, but when the ball moves Woakes is a better bowler with the new ball. Muddled thinking.....
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 27, 2020 11:02:35 GMT
We know why Root is bowling - it's because we fucked up the selection of the side. With Stokes as a 4th seamer we need to pick our three best quick bowlers and our best spinner. You never, ever go into a test with 6 quicks. Well you shouldn't!! Our three best available pacemen are Broad, Wood and Woakes; our best spinner is Bess. Sadly, for Curran, that means he misses out. But that is what we should have done. And then Root wouldn't have been bowling this morning. And Wood would have taken the new ball. They bowled Curran because he's only really effective when the ball moves, but when the ball moves Woakes is a better bowler with the new ball. Muddled thinking..... That's exactly why they bowled him - if he was going to be effective it would be with the new ball. It was a desperate hope though. Cloudless blue skies on the highveld ain't the place for swing. So the SA openers got 4 overs of powder puff 70mph dross from one end to help get their eye in before they got Woods' 90mph deliveries whistling around their throats. I bet they were quite happy England went down that route.
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Post by AlliG on Jan 27, 2020 13:00:00 GMT
A couple more shooters like the one Stokes just bowled Du Plessis with wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 13:06:33 GMT
That’s more like it.
4 down now and two batsmen on 0.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 27, 2020 14:13:20 GMT
Absolute snorter from Broad!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 27, 2020 14:39:14 GMT
Really hope Wood gets a 10 for here, deserves it after all his injury problems.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 14:47:23 GMT
Really hope Wood gets a 10 for here, deserves it after all his injury problems. Nothing worse as a bowler than a poxy run out to stop you from getting wickets!! 9 down almost there......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 14:52:58 GMT
And right on cue Wood gets his 4th!
Great series win for England, not a vintage SA team but considering all the injury/illness issues and going down 1-0 we’ve been excellent. And with their youngest ever line up.
The one thing to add is we’ve been very fortunate in winning all the tosses......
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 27, 2020 16:49:07 GMT
A 3-1 series win is an excellent result. Not surprisingly there have been more upsides than downers Upsides - Sibley and Pope with the bat, Wood and Bess with the ball, Stokes with everything! Most importantly we are now regularly getting to 50 without losing 3 wickets. Downers - Buttler (sadly his time has now gone), our bampot selection of 5 quicks in 3 of the last 5 tests, Denly not securing the #3 spot and Curran looking lightweight with the bat and ball. I’d like to say Root made big progress as a skipper (he thinks he has, but then again he thought he could open the bowling with the ball) but... he still didn’t score enough runs for a player of his ability and his captaincy wandered between the sublime and the ridiculous. He still has much to do. Anyway, next up some pyjama cricket. And we are rather good at that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 11:01:01 GMT
Time for the one dayers.
Be good to see Banton today after his Big Bash success, and I've not seen much of Parkinson although I remain unconvinced.
Weather is good should be 300+ in the offing here......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:20:49 GMT
85-4, sloppy from England after a decent 50 partnership.....
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2020 12:35:28 GMT
85-4, sloppy from England after a decent 50 partnership..... Gives an opportunity for some of the new boys to show their mettle! Always look on the bright side of life...
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Post by Cast no shadow on Feb 4, 2020 12:39:21 GMT
Well this is shit
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:41:05 GMT
85-4, sloppy from England after a decent 50 partnership..... Gives an opportunity for some of the new boys to show their mettle! Always look on the bright side of life... Banton gone for a breezy 18. 108/5 and we're in trouble. Sam Curran at 7 is ridiculous sorry......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:42:58 GMT
And it had all started so well...….
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2020 14:00:50 GMT
Gives an opportunity for some of the new boys to show their mettle! Always look on the bright side of life... Banton gone for a breezy 18. 108/5 and we're in trouble. Sam Curran at 7 is ridiculous sorry...... The more I see of Sam Curran the more I struggle to see him as an international player with bat or ball. Him coming in ahead of Woakes in the batting line up is just silly. Curran is at best a number 8 bat, Woakes could easily bat at 6.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 14:09:01 GMT
Banton gone for a breezy 18. 108/5 and we're in trouble. Sam Curran at 7 is ridiculous sorry...... The more I see of Sam Curran the more I struggle to see him as an international player with bat or ball. Him coming in ahead of Woakes in the batting line up is just silly. Curran is at best a number 8 bat, Woakes could easily bat at 6. I agree re: Curran, he may pick up a yard of pace as he gets older/stronger but can't ever see him being anything other than a 4th seamer.....
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2020 14:59:45 GMT
England 258 - 8
Not as much as we would have hoped at the start, but better than we might have feared at when we were 6 down for 130 odd.
A good test for our bowlers which, with the absence of Archer, Wood and Plumkett, lacks any serious speed meaning it's down to skill for the Currans, Jordan and Woakes as well as the new leggie.
Could be a close game.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 4, 2020 15:56:46 GMT
Sam Curran to me looks like a player who'll be more than useful in home conditions but pretty ineffective on tour.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2020 17:10:46 GMT
Well, it could be a close game if we had our first pick bowlers in the team.
As it is, and being generous, we could say our second string bowlers are on a learning curve.
SA are 165-1 and cruising.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 18:32:03 GMT
Walk in the park for SA, to say England’s bowling was toothless would be an understatement.....
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2020 21:46:35 GMT
Walk in the park for SA, to say England’s bowling was toothless would be an understatement..... We forget what a potent fast bowling attack we had developed in recent times. Woakes Archer Wood Plunkett Stokes The good news is of that group only Plunkett is unlikely to feature in the future - which is a shame as he has been an outstanding white ball player for England. So the bar is pretty high for any new bowlers to break into the team. Fair to say, none of the pretenders got close to the bar today!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 10:19:42 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 6, 2020 10:21:07 GMT
Not too surprised, was used excessively last summer. Didn't get much of a rest, and even though his action looks easy bowling at that speed will take it out of you completely. There's a lot of lessons here for the ECB and Root.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 10:22:59 GMT
Not too surprised, was used excessively last summer. Didn't get much of a rest, and even though his action looks easy bowling at that speed will take it out of you completely. There's a lot of lessons here for the ECB and Root. Just to back up your point: Poor from England......
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 6, 2020 11:12:52 GMT
Not too surprised, was used excessively last summer. Didn't get much of a rest, and even though his action looks easy bowling at that speed will take it out of you completely. There's a lot of lessons here for the ECB and Root. Just to back up your point: Poor from England...... Not sure you can blame england, rashid only plays odi's and has bowled 200 overs, Broad only plays tests and has bowled 367 overs so Archer at 400 does not seem excessive, the lad has been playing cricket virtually non stop with all the franchise stuff for the last 2 years missing the sri lanka series will probably do him some good espicially as he would be flogging a dead horse much of that time bowling in those conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 11:26:16 GMT
Just to back up your point: Poor from England...... Not sure you can blame england, rashid only plays odi's and has bowled 200 overs, Broad only plays tests and has bowled 367 overs so Archer at 400 does not seem excessive, the lad has been playing cricket virtually non stop with all the franchise stuff for the last 2 years missing the sri lanka series will probably do him some good espicially as he would be flogging a dead horse much of that time bowling in those conditions. He was overused in the Ashes, he bowled nearly 150 overs in 4 tests in a month. He's still a novice in bowling terms.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 6, 2020 11:45:47 GMT
Just to back up your point: Poor from England...... Not sure you can blame england, rashid only plays odi's and has bowled 200 overs, Broad only plays tests and has bowled 367 overs so Archer at 400 does not seem excessive, the lad has been playing cricket virtually non stop with all the franchise stuff for the last 2 years missing the sri lanka series will probably do him some good espicially as he would be flogging a dead horse much of that time bowling in those conditions. Archer's overs are stacked though, they start in May with his ODI debut and end with his final test in December. Bear in mind he also missed a couple of tests in this period. Broad's 370 odd are spread out across the whole year, starting with the Windies tour, then a massive rest before the Ashes then another rest before New Zealand and South Africa. Broad only bowled 14 more overs in the Ashes than Archer did and he missed the first test. He was overused across a short period of time, the latter spell in New Zealand where he bowled 82 overs, 12 more than Broad in 2 tests was absolutely ridiculous at his speed. Every fast bowler was saying he was being over-used, Holding in particular who too had an easy action but knows it's not as simple as that. He's express pace, Broad isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 14:20:13 GMT
Not sure you can blame england, rashid only plays odi's and has bowled 200 overs, Broad only plays tests and has bowled 367 overs so Archer at 400 does not seem excessive, the lad has been playing cricket virtually non stop with all the franchise stuff for the last 2 years missing the sri lanka series will probably do him some good espicially as he would be flogging a dead horse much of that time bowling in those conditions. Archer's overs are stacked though, they start in May with his ODI debut and end with his final test in December. Bear in mind he also missed a couple of tests in this period. Broad's 370 odd are spread out across the whole year, starting with the Windies tour, then a massive rest before the Ashes then another rest before New Zealand and South Africa. Broad only bowled 14 more overs in the Ashes than Archer did and he missed the first test. He was overused across a short period of time, the latter spell in New Zealand where he bowled 82 overs, 12 more than Broad in 2 tests was absolutely ridiculous at his speed. Every fast bowler was saying he was being over-used, Holding in particular who too had an easy action but knows it's not as simple as that. He's express pace, Broad isn't. Not forgetting the fact that he’s an impact bowler like Wood and should only be used in 3-5 over bursts......
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