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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 5, 2020 1:02:39 GMT
[I watch MOTD only and now even that is going all PC on us Ex-fucking-actly mate. It was much better in the 70s when Bernard Manning presented it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 1:39:12 GMT
[I watch MOTD only and now even that is going all PC on us Ex-fucking-actly mate. It was much better in the 70s when Bernard Manning presented it. Think you're getting confused with The Wheeltappers and Shunters Club which he hosted. He was quite the football fan though.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 5, 2020 8:33:24 GMT
They'll have to change it at some point over the next few years, or get left behind. Whether us old fogeys like it or not, the younger generation aren't arsed about terrestial TV. Everything is youtube nowadays. Instant access, 5-10 minute videos, quick, punchy and instant gratification in terms of what they're looking for (and even the ads can be skipped after 5 seconds). And the younger generation i refer to certainly aren't just little kids, they're also "kids" who grew up with it and now are late teens/in their 20s i.e. it certainly isn't just a fad for little 'uns. The celebrities and stars to teens these days aren't TV stars, they're youtubers and "twitchers" (and they ARE celebrities to them, even though i haven't heard of any them because i'm an old fucker...take a look on youtube at some of the "Meet and greets" these youtubers do with fans. They have literally tens of thousands of people turn up to adore them and many have millions of subscribers. One youtuber my daughter is into has nearly 20 million subscribers and her videos regularly have over 10 million views...that's higher viewing figures than Eastenders, Corrie, MOTD etc. etc. ever get. Popular youtubers also make literally millions out of it as a career as well). Youtube however is 100%, completely free. The content obviously isn't as lavishly produced and may not be as informative or as interesting as us old timers expect from the likes of the BBC, but the simple fact is that kids have the choice between watching TV (as let's face it, virtually all kids have their own TVs nowadays, so it's not as if they're refusing to watch because they just want to be away from their parents) or youtube and most choose youtube. WE may still want TV in it's familiar format that we all grew up with, but it isn't us that will decide on how things will be viewed moving forwards, it's the future generations and they simply don't want viewable entertainment in the same format that we've all got used to. The BBC will have to change or they'll just disappear. They keep trying to tell the viewing public what we want and deciding for us what we will/won't be interested in, whereas online platforms actually cater to the audience and ask for suggestions of what the audience would like them to do videos about. They actually make content that THE PUBLIC has asked for. Its the way of the world nowadays, and the Beeb need to catch onto that pretty damn quickly.
The world is changing and as usual the antiquated, archaic Beeb run by middle aged blokes still bury their heads in the sand, increase the fee and refuse to move forwards and actually engage with their viewers "wants", instead of taking note of the current situation re: what people want and realising that they're being left behind.
In a world that constantly bangs on about "inclusiveness", it's amazing how much exclusion of the old is practiced by young people. 22.5% of the population are over 60 years old and it is growing faster than any other age group in society, yet they seemed to be cast aside and their wishes ignored by the selfish young, who want everything their way. I actually doubt there are many "middle aged blokes" at the BBC these days. Certainly those that retire like John Humphreys give that impression. www.theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/21/john-humphrys-attacks-bbcs-liberal-bias-days-after-retiring-from-radio-4But then he is 76 and who cares what he thinks.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 5, 2020 9:13:51 GMT
22.5% of the population are over 60 years old and it is growing faster than any other age group in society, yet they seemed to be cast aside and their wishes ignored by the selfish young, who want everything their way. What a load of fucking shit.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 5, 2020 10:45:02 GMT
They'll have to change it at some point over the next few years, or get left behind. Whether us old fogeys like it or not, the younger generation aren't arsed about terrestial TV. Everything is youtube nowadays. Instant access, 5-10 minute videos, quick, punchy and instant gratification in terms of what they're looking for (and even the ads can be skipped after 5 seconds). And the younger generation i refer to certainly aren't just little kids, they're also "kids" who grew up with it and now are late teens/in their 20s i.e. it certainly isn't just a fad for little 'uns. The celebrities and stars to teens these days aren't TV stars, they're youtubers and "twitchers" (and they ARE celebrities to them, even though i haven't heard of any them because i'm an old fucker...take a look on youtube at some of the "Meet and greets" these youtubers do with fans. They have literally tens of thousands of people turn up to adore them and many have millions of subscribers. One youtuber my daughter is into has nearly 20 million subscribers and her videos regularly have over 10 million views...that's higher viewing figures than Eastenders, Corrie, MOTD etc. etc. ever get. Popular youtubers also make literally millions out of it as a career as well). Youtube however is 100%, completely free. The content obviously isn't as lavishly produced and may not be as informative or as interesting as us old timers expect from the likes of the BBC, but the simple fact is that kids have the choice between watching TV (as let's face it, virtually all kids have their own TVs nowadays, so it's not as if they're refusing to watch because they just want to be away from their parents) or youtube and most choose youtube. WE may still want TV in it's familiar format that we all grew up with, but it isn't us that will decide on how things will be viewed moving forwards, it's the future generations and they simply don't want viewable entertainment in the same format that we've all got used to. The BBC will have to change or they'll just disappear. They keep trying to tell the viewing public what we want and deciding for us what we will/won't be interested in, whereas online platforms actually cater to the audience and ask for suggestions of what the audience would like them to do videos about. They actually make content that THE PUBLIC has asked for. Its the way of the world nowadays, and the Beeb need to catch onto that pretty damn quickly.
The world is changing and as usual the antiquated, archaic Beeb run by middle aged blokes still bury their heads in the sand, increase the fee and refuse to move forwards and actually engage with their viewers "wants", instead of taking note of the current situation re: what people want and realising that they're being left behind.
In a world that constantly bangs on about "inclusiveness", it's amazing how much exclusion of the old is practiced by young people. 22.5% of the population are over 60 years old and it is growing faster than any other age group in society, yet they seemed to be cast aside and their wishes ignored by the selfish young, who want everything their way. I actually doubt there are many "middle aged blokes" at the BBC these days. Certainly those that retire like John Humphreys give that impression. www.theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/21/john-humphrys-attacks-bbcs-liberal-bias-days-after-retiring-from-radio-4But then he is 76 and who cares what he thinks. 1) i'm not one of the "young people" as i somehow don't think that mid forties counts as "young people" 2) who's said anything about excluding people? You have the same access to these online platforms as anyone else does. You also have the choice to pay your fee to the BBC if you want to, so who's excluded from what exactly? It's a simple, practical case of who in the future will be paying the fee to keep the BBC funded? It's the BBC that need to realise that their business model is one that doesn't take into account they way in which the world is changing, and therefore obviously has no clue about it's own customer base. Businesses should cater to the wants of their customers. Businesses that don't do that and instead try to tell customers what they want, tend to die off pretty damn quickly. The younger people won't be paying their fees in years to come as they're all going online, so the entire funding wil then HAVE TO come from people like yourself (who, as you rightly pointed out, only account for less than a quarter of the population. Currently the BBC funding comes from a far higher % of the UK population than just people who are 60+, so your fee will have to increase to cover the shortfall left by those whipper snappers who won't bother with it anymore in a few years, as they watch everything online. You'll have 2 choices; watch lower quality BBC productions as they don't have the same funds anymore, or carry on with higher quality and therefore have to pay far more for it than you currently are). If the continue to try to force people to pay licence fees for BBC content in the coming years, they will just die as a corporation because the younger generations just won't bother as they can get their entertainment elsewhere for free...gratis..nothing whatsoever! It isn't a case of "younger people" forcing their will against the "oldies", it's simply a thing called natural progression. It's always happened but most companies acknowledge that and therefore progress alongside their customers ..in the 50s did young people FORCE their will on people and insist old people stop listening to 30s music because they only wanted rock 'n' roll? Nope, the parents still listened to their 30s music but rock 'n'roll also progressed simply because more people bought it. No-one excluded. However, due to demand and PROGRESSION, things like gramophone sales dropped off because they were no longer in demand and younger people wanted record players instead. Therefore some old gramophone companies changed with them and started making record players as well and continued their businesses. Those that didn't and insisted on trying to force their gramophones that no-one wanted anymore on the public , died off completely. It's how business works and the BBC IS a business. Whether you like it or not, the younger generations (and that isn't limited to just kids and teens) dictate the markets, trends and how we progress as a society. It's business...money...finances and how to increase profits that dictates how the world changes whether you like it or not and the world IS changing, always has in the past and always will. It was no different when you were younger. Things were changing then as well from the rose tinted days of yore and how people lived their lives back then. Did you only wear the same clothes as your parents and grandparents, only listen to the same music, only have interests that they shared? If it was the case that young people never help to determine how the world changes, why aren't we all still listening to Mozart through a gramophone whilst wearing suits and hats while the women wear pinnies and work quietly in the kitchen? Erm...maybe because the world is CONSTANTLY CHANGING!!!! nowadays the internet is far more popular than the TV. If you feel excluded by that, then get off your arse and educate yourself on how to use it. It isn't up to the rest of the world to just sit there and not progress as a society simply because you're a bit confused by how it works so feel excluded. Take some bloody responsibility for yourself and learn how to progress with the rest of us. None of this technological shit was around when i was growing up either...do i just sit there and whinge because "Oh i'm old and can't deal with all this new fangled stuff so the world should stop progressing just so i don't get left behind"? Nope, i realise that if i don't bother to educate myself then I WILL get left behind. It's up to ME to change with the world, not for me to tell the world to just stop because i don't get it. If you feel excluded because of your lack of willingness to let society progress, then that's on you and YOUR responsibility to sort out, no-on else's. No matter how old you get, you should ALWAYS still be learning about the world. Stagnating and thinking "Well, i know all i need to know by the time i'm 30 and from then on i don't need to learn any new skills or information about the world i inhabit" leads to nothing but out of date views about the world and complete ignorance of reality.
3) No one is telling you that you HAVE to watch youtube or that the BBC should be banned you complete moron (can you actually read??), simply that if the BBC continue to charge their fee when there are multiple other platforms nowadays offering entertainment for free, then they will get left behind, as they're burying their heads in the sand about how society and the world is changing (as are you apparently). If you want to do that feel free, but it doesn't alter the fact that it's true though and the world and how we view things IS changing. Far more people watch entertainment on the internet than on terrestial TV nowadays. The BBC can carry on as they are if they like....how long do you think they'll last though, when most of the "younger generation" aren't paying their fee (as they watch "TV" on the internet anyway so don't need a licence) and then the only people left to pay that licence fee are now pensioners who can't afford it? (Haven't really thought this through have you..or are you saying we should force the younger generation to carry on watching the BBC even though they don't want to just so it can subsidise your demand for it?).
4) On what planet is 76 middle aged ffs???? I'm middle aged by the way and can freely accept that the world isn't the same anymore as when i was a kid..its actually pretty easy to do and most middle aged people manage it quite successfully. It's simply a case of acknowledging that when the world changes it's up to ME to change with it or get left behind..it isn't up to the rest of the world to stop progressing just because i'm not used to it. It's the arrogant that insist on everything staying the way it was because that's what THEY want and sod everyone else. Completely misinterpret my post then moan because the "world is against old people". Poor, incorrect, lazy and completely irrelevant to everything i actually said due to your complete lack of understanding and desperation to cling to the "good old days".
Same with every generation.....rail against their parents when they're kids (as i'm sure you did with music, clothes etc. etc. or did you dress the same as your parents and only ever listen to their records for the rest of your life?), yet when those kids become old themselves they decide that they should dictate to the world how the world should be now, based on nothing but their own beligerence and inertia.
EVERY new generation changes the world....teens in the 50s made rock 'n' roll popular (the musicians wouldn't have sold records and therefore become popular without the "younger generation" of the time buying them and making them so popular), young people in the 60s brought about change with peace movements, young people changed the musical landscape in the 70s, young people in the 80s changed the world with the rise of personal computers etc. etc. etc.
It's sad that so many people refuse to accept that the world changes. They sit there and think "When i grew up, we did things differently to how they were done when MY parents were young and that made things better, but now that should be it and EVERY generation afterwards should just carry on doing it OUR way. No more change please"
As i said, i'm in my mid forties so certainly not some whipper snapper in any way, shape or form. The only difference really is that i (and most my age) actually accept that the world ISN'T the same as when we grew up (some things for the better, some for worse) and that it changes constantly! It is NOT up to those younger generations coming through to be dictated to by our older wants and to be forced into paying for things they DON'T want, but for them to carve out THEIR futures based on THEIR wants. That was the same for your generation when you were growing up, so why should it be different for them now?
It has nothing to do with younger people not caring about older people or ignoring them; it has FAR more to do with older people insisting that the world be exactly the same as they were used to, and then moanning their bollocks off because it isn't anymore and they can't get their own way. The selfishness is far more on the side of the "older generation" than the "younger generation". They're simply trying to progress (as all generations, including mine before them did), you're just trying to stop them because you don't get it.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 5, 2020 11:20:11 GMT
In a world that constantly bangs on about "inclusiveness", it's amazing how much exclusion of the old is practiced by young people. 22.5% of the population are over 60 years old and it is growing faster than any other age group in society, yet they seemed to be cast aside and their wishes ignored by the selfish young, who want everything their way. I actually doubt there are many "middle aged blokes" at the BBC these days. Certainly those that retire like John Humphreys give that impression. www.theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/21/john-humphrys-attacks-bbcs-liberal-bias-days-after-retiring-from-radio-4But then he is 76 and who cares what he thinks. 1) i'm not one of the "young people" as i somehow don't think that mid forties counts as "young people" 2) who's said anything about excluding people? It isn't a case of "younger people" forcing their will against the "oldies", it's simply a thing called natural progression. It's always happened..in the 50s did young people FORCE their will on people and insist old people stop listening to 30s music because they only wanted rock 'n' roll? Nope rock 'n'roll progressed simply because more people bought it. It's business...money...finances and how to increase profits that dictates how the world changes whether you like it or not and the world IS changing, always has in the past and always will. It was no different when you were younger. Things were changing then as well from the rose tinted days of yore and how people lived their lives back then. did you only wear the same clothes as your parents and grandparents, only listen to the same music, only have interests that they shared? If it was the case that young people never help to determine how the world changes, why aren't we all still listening to Mozart through a grampohione whilst wearing suits and hats while the women wear pinnies and work quietly in the kitchen? Erm...maybe because the world is CONSTANTLY CHANGING!!!! nowadays the internet is far more popular than the TV. If you feel excluded by that, then get off your arse and educate yourself on how to use it. It isn't up to the rest of the world to just sit there and not prgress as a society simply because you're a bit confused by how it works so feel excluded. Take some bloody responsibility for yourself and learn how to progress with the rest of us. None of this technological shit was around when i was growing up...do i just sit there and whinge because "Oh i'm old and can't deal with all this new fangled stuff so the world should stop progressing just so i don't get left behind"? Nope, i realise that if i don't bother to educate myself then I WILL get left behind. No matter how old you get, you should ALWAYS still be learning about the world. Stagnating and thinking "Well, i know all i need to know by the time i'm 30 and from then on i don't need to learn any new skills or information about the world i inhabit" leads to nothing but out of date views about the world and complete ignorance of reality.
3) No one is telling you that you HAVE to watch youtube or that the BBC should be banned you complete moron (can you actually read??), simply that if the BBC continue to charge their fee when there are multiple other platforms nowadays offering entertainment for free, then they will get left behind, as they're burying their heads in the sand about how society and the world is changing (as are you apparently). If you want to do that feel free, but it doesn't alter the fact that it's true though and the world and how we view things IS changing. Far more people watch entertainment on the internet than on terrestial TV nowadays. The BBC can carry on as they are if they like....how long do you think they'll last though, when most of the "younger generation" aren't paying their fee (as they watch "TV" on the internet anyway so don't need a license) and then the only people left to pay that licence fee are now pensioners who can't afford it? (Haven't really thought this through have you..or are you saying we should force the younger generation to carry on watching the BBC even though they don't want to just so it can subsidise your demand for it?).
4) On what planet is 76 middle aged ffs? Conpletely misinterpret my post then moan because the "world is against old people". Poor, incorrect, lazy and completely irrelevant to everything i actually said due to your complete lack of understanding and desperation to cling to the "good old days".
Same with every generation.....rail against their parents when they're kids (as i'm sure you did with music, clothes etc. etc. or did you dress the same as your parents and only ever listen to their records for the rest of your life?), yet when those kids become old themselves they decide they should dictate to the world how the world should be now, based on notihng but their own beligerence and inertia.
EVERY new generation changes the world....teens in the 50s made rock 'n' roll popular (the musicians wouldn't have sold records and therefore become popular without the "younger generation" of the time buying them and making them so popular), young people in the 60s brought about change with peace movements, young people changed the musical landscape in the 70s, young people in the 80s changed the world with the rise of personal computers etc. etc. etc.
It's sad that so many people refuse to accept that the world changes. They sit there and think "When i grew up, we did things differently to how they were done when MY parents were young and that made things better, but now that should be it and EVERY generation afterwards should just carry on doing it OUR way. No more change please"
As i said, i'm in my mid forties so certainly not some whipper snapper in any way, shape or form. The only difference really is that i (and most my age) actually accept that the world ISN'T the same as when we grew up (some things for the better, some for worse) and that it changes constantly! It is NOT up to those younger generations coming through to be dictated to by our older wants, but for them to carve out THEIR futures based on THEIR wants.
It has nothing to do with younger people not caring about older people or ignoring them; it has FAR more to do with older people insisting that the world be exactly the same as they were used to, and then moanning their bollocks off because it isn't anymore and they can't get their own way.
Bloody hell Mick, you could write a small thesis on the license fee
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