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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 12:22:29 GMT
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Post by Marc01 on Dec 14, 2019 12:22:29 GMT
18M on a fee 5 year contract at around 60k a week - 15.6M Plus fees- 2M ? Total cost to Stoke City circa 36M He will have had a pay cut after relegation however he's still going to be on an absolute fortune It would be good to know that relegation clauses existed and all kicked in last season. I always think back to the Sky footage of Imbula arriving at Clayton Wood on the dark, January 2017, night that he signed. He got out of the car, stretched / yawned as he reached for the stars. It was as though he was saying to himself: "That's enough effort for the next 5.5 years". As someone once said on here, Stoke may as well have loaded a wheelbarrow of £50 notes each month and tipped it into the Trent. Add in Wimmer, Berahino, Vokes, Ince and Smith...... Unbelievable! £75 million in fees down the drain. Add in wages, signing on fees, loyalty bonuses.....
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 12:25:21 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 12:25:21 GMT
The best idea is to try and find some saps to take him off our hands and get some of his wages off the books until his deal runs out. We haven't exactly had much luck with that in the preceding years, have we? We've paid all or nearly all of his wages throughout his loan periods and there's not a sane manager/chairman/owner in the business who'd take him on. So your best idea is no good at all... 'We've paid all or nearly all his wages throughout his loan period'. You sure about that? Got a link? Managers do keep taking him on. They have every season. If there's not a sane manager who'd take him on, why are you advocating we find a use for him?
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 12:26:11 GMT
Post by stokesupporter on Dec 14, 2019 12:26:11 GMT
He'll come back and will drag us out of the relegation zone almost single handedly, and will be a hero and handed a keys to the city, while Scholes is giving a speach that he's the best proof that the "process" has worked and WILL work like a charm. Soon after the council will build a statue of him!
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 12:31:04 GMT
Post by chrisgal on Dec 14, 2019 12:31:04 GMT
I may be wrong bought I thought that both clubs had to agree to cut short a loan deal.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 12:35:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 12:35:59 GMT
We haven't exactly had much luck with that in the preceding years, have we? We've paid all or nearly all of his wages throughout his loan periods and there's not a sane manager/chairman/owner in the business who'd take him on. So your best idea is no good at all... 'We've paid all or nearly all his wages throughout his loan period'. You sure about that? Got a link? Managers do keep taking him on. They have every season. If there's not a sane manager who'd take him on, why are you advocating we find a use for him? That's all in a day's work when you're manager at SCFC. O'Neill knew he'd have to deal with the Imbula problem one day when he took the job; he just came "home" a little sooner than expected. We don't have to love him, but since we'll continue to pay his wages we might as well play him. How can he possibly do worse than he's already done. I don't think managers are queeing up to take him. It's been very, very difficult for us to convince anyone to take him, it's practically been two minutes to 12 on last transfer window day, and while we'll never be told in public, I wouldn't be surprised if Lecce received a handsome sum when they agreed to have him. They certainly celebrated that they didn't have to pay anything in some tweet back in August. And yet four months later they've had enough.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 12:39:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 12:39:51 GMT
I may be wrong bought I thought that both clubs had to agree to cut short a loan deal. That's certainly standard procedure, but who knows, maybe Lecce inserted a passage in the deal that allowed them to do what they've just done.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 12:50:08 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 14, 2019 12:50:08 GMT
He was the start of our mass recruitment of wasters and still symbolises this whole period we’re in in my view.
The only difference is the club were conned, by Imbula himself who built up his own reputation enough to get his pay day where as others we signed in this glory period were known to be s gamble before we even picked up the phone.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 12:53:57 GMT
'We've paid all or nearly all his wages throughout his loan period'. You sure about that? Got a link? Managers do keep taking him on. They have every season. If there's not a sane manager who'd take him on, why are you advocating we find a use for him? That's all in a day's work when you're manager at SCFC. O'Neill knew he'd have to deal with the Imbula problem one day when he took the job; he just came "home" a little sooner than expected. We don't have to love him, but since we'll continue to pay his wages we might as well play him. How can he possibly do worse than he's already done. I don't think managers are queeing up to take him. It's been very, very difficult for us to convince anyone to take him, it's practically been two minutes to 12 on last transfer window day, and while we'll never be told in public, I wouldn't be surprised if Lecce received a handsome sum when they agreed to have him. They certainly celebrated that they didn't have to pay anything in some tweet back in August. And yet four months later they've had enough. You’re suggesting we paid Lecce to take him? Yeah...that doesn’t happen. And your solution to a player who’s a waking nightmare for other managers is that we play him? In our first team? When we already have loads of central midfielders and we already have enough poison and shirking non-characters throughout the squad? Is this a wind-up?
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:02:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:02:37 GMT
That's all in a day's work when you're manager at SCFC. O'Neill knew he'd have to deal with the Imbula problem one day when he took the job; he just came "home" a little sooner than expected. We don't have to love him, but since we'll continue to pay his wages we might as well play him. How can he possibly do worse than he's already done. I don't think managers are queeing up to take him. It's been very, very difficult for us to convince anyone to take him, it's practically been two minutes to 12 on last transfer window day, and while we'll never be told in public, I wouldn't be surprised if Lecce received a handsome sum when they agreed to have him. They certainly celebrated that they didn't have to pay anything in some tweet back in August. And yet four months later they've had enough. You’re suggesting we paid Lecce to take him? Yeah...that doesn’t happen. And your solution to a player who’s a waking nightmare for other managers is that we play him? In our first team? When we already have loads of central midfielders and we already have enough poison and shirking non-characters throughout the squad? Is this a wind-up? It might soften the blow of losing Badou... As for what goes and what does not on last transfer window day who really knows what happens? I certainly can't imagine Lecce, an Italian club, taking on Imbula without getting a huge carrot, can you?
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:05:08 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 14, 2019 13:05:08 GMT
Just file him under Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino aka, Fun Boy Three.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 13:06:06 GMT
You’re suggesting we paid Lecce to take him? Yeah...that doesn’t happen. And your solution to a player who’s a waking nightmare for other managers is that we play him? In our first team? When we already have loads of central midfielders and we already have enough poison and shirking non-characters throughout the squad? Is this a wind-up? It might soften the blow of losing Badou... As for what goes and what does not on last transfer window day who really knows what happens? I certainly can't imagine Lecce, an Italian club, taking on Imbula without getting a huge carrot, can you? Erm, yes? They’re a Serie A club, they only have to loan him. Maybe we waived the loan fee, we wouldn’t actively give them money. This isn’t Brewster’s Millions, even at Stoke. It wouldn’t soften anything regarding Badou, Imbula can’t play as a DM and it’d be losing one really good midfielder and regaining a waster and a liability.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:15:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:15:05 GMT
It might soften the blow of losing Badou... As for what goes and what does not on last transfer window day who really knows what happens? I certainly can't imagine Lecce, an Italian club, taking on Imbula without getting a huge carrot, can you? Erm, yes? They’re a Serie A club, they only have to loan him. Maybe we waived the loan fee, we wouldn’t actively give them money. This isn’t Brewster’s Millions, even at Stoke. It wouldn’t soften anything regarding Badou, Imbula can’t play as a DM and it’d be losing one really good midfielder and regaining a waster and a liability. Badou's best position isn't DM...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 13:15:58 GMT
Erm, yes? They’re a Serie A club, they only have to loan him. Maybe we waived the loan fee, we wouldn’t actively give them money. This isn’t Brewster’s Millions, even at Stoke. It wouldn’t soften anything regarding Badou, Imbula can’t play as a DM and it’d be losing one really good midfielder and regaining a waster and a liability. Badou's best position isn't DM... Who cares? He’s still far and away the best we have in that position.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:22:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:22:20 GMT
Badou's best position isn't DM... Who cares? He’s still far and away the best we have in that position. That'll be two more we don't play
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:22:44 GMT
Post by medwaypotter on Dec 14, 2019 13:22:44 GMT
I wouldn't have thought we would ever get a game out of Cousins, maybe there's hope yet ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 13:24:41 GMT
Who cares? He’s still far and away the best we have in that position. That'll be two more we don't play What are you talking about? He played there happily under Jones?
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:30:30 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 14, 2019 13:30:30 GMT
He will have had a pay cut after relegation however he's still going to be on an absolute fortune It would be good to know that relegation clauses existed and all kicked in last season. I always think back to the Sky footage of Imbula arriving at Clayton Wood on the dark, January 2017, night that he signed. He got out of the car, stretched / yawned as he reached for the stars. It was as though he was saying to himself: "That's enough effort for the next 5.5 years". As someone once said on here, Stoke may as well have loaded a wheelbarrow of £50 notes each month and tipped it into the Trent. Add in Wimmer, Berahino, Vokes, Ince and Smith...... Unbelievable! £75 million in fees down the drain. Add in wages, signing on fees, loyalty bonuses..... Massively unfair to lump Vokes,Smith and Ince (much as I don't like him) with Imbula and Winner.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:32:57 GMT
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Post by mrred on Dec 14, 2019 13:32:57 GMT
Don't want this fucking waster anywhere near this club. A sorry, physical reminder of the lazy complacency that set into the club that put us where we are.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:35:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:35:57 GMT
Don't want this fucking waster anywhere near this club. A sorry, physical reminder of the lazy complacency that set into the club that put us where we are. He's got a contract. Not that he wants to anywhere nearer to you than you want to be near him. But what are you going to do about him?
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:38:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:38:49 GMT
That'll be two more we don't play What are you talking about? He played there happily under Jones? He sacrificed himself for the team, but he stated in interviews that he saw himself further up in midfield. If you look at his career he's scored a decent amount every season, but, at Stoke, not so, because he was forced to sit deep.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:40:23 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 14, 2019 13:40:23 GMT
He's got a worse attitude than Winston Bogarde, for those who can remember that lazy money grabbing waste of space.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:47:35 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 14, 2019 13:47:35 GMT
Can’t we terminate his actual contact the blood sucking Twat! Surely his attitude towards the ‘Job’ is a breach of contract?? Sack this oxygen thief now! Deep down you know the answer to your own question. If we could do what you suggest we would have done it (with Imbula and a few others) some time ago.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:48:19 GMT
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Post by mrred on Dec 14, 2019 13:48:19 GMT
Don't want this fucking waster anywhere near this club. A sorry, physical reminder of the lazy complacency that set into the club that put us where we are. He's got a contract. Not that he wants to anywhere nearer to you than you want to be near him. But what are you going to do about him? Give me five minutes in the same room as the lazy cunt, I'd soon change his attitude. On a serious note, I don't care what the club do with him as long as he's no longer infecting any dressing room with his half arsed attitude. He serves as a costly reminder to those in charge about what happens when you try to let a club run itself with little input or structure. They reap what they sow.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 13:52:04 GMT
What are you talking about? He played there happily under Jones? He sacrificed himself for the team, but he stated in interviews that he saw himself further up in midfield. If you look at his career he's scored a decent amount every season, but, at Stoke, not so, because he was forced to sit deep. I refer you back to my ‘who cares’ from earlier. Just because it’s not his favoured position doesn’t mean he can’t play there or isn’t happy playing there (as opposed to not playing at all). His performances this season suggest the opposite on both counts.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 13:59:12 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 14, 2019 13:59:12 GMT
You’re suggesting we paid Lecce to take him? Yeah...that doesn’t happen. And your solution to a player who’s a waking nightmare for other managers is that we play him? In our first team? When we already have loads of central midfielders and we already have enough poison and shirking non-characters throughout the squad? Is this a wind-up? It might soften the blow of losing Badou... As for what goes and what does not on last transfer window day who really knows what happens? I certainly can't imagine Lecce, an Italian club, taking on Imbula without getting a huge carrot, can you? Are you seriously suggesting that we try and bring back this absolute waste of space or are you being contrarian for the sake of it?
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 14:06:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:06:45 GMT
It might soften the blow of losing Badou... As for what goes and what does not on last transfer window day who really knows what happens? I certainly can't imagine Lecce, an Italian club, taking on Imbula without getting a huge carrot, can you? Are you seriously suggesting that we try and bring back this absolute waste of space or are you being contrarian for the sake of it? I'm not personally in favour of Imbula; I'm just trying to point to the fact that he is an employee of SCFC for another 18 months and we have to do something constructive about it.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 14:11:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:11:36 GMT
He sacrificed himself for the team, but he stated in interviews that he saw himself further up in midfield. If you look at his career he's scored a decent amount every season, but, at Stoke, not so, because he was forced to sit deep. I refer you back to my ‘who cares’ from earlier. Just because it’s not his favoured position doesn’t mean he can’t play there or isn’t happy playing there (as opposed to not playing at all). His performances this season suggest the opposite on both counts. He's probably counting the minutes and the seconds till he doesn't have to be here anymore. Unlike Imbula who probably is incapable of counting that many seconds, but if he did, he'd at least be able to see light at the end of the tunnel. Whereas we, even when G does leave, we still have to deal with Wimmer for another year, plus the 10 useless players Jones signed, some of whose contracts also don't run out until 2022.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 14:14:43 GMT
I refer you back to my ‘who cares’ from earlier. Just because it’s not his favoured position doesn’t mean he can’t play there or isn’t happy playing there (as opposed to not playing at all). His performances this season suggest the opposite on both counts. He's probably counting the minutes and the seconds till he doesn't have to be here anymore. Unlike Imbula who probably is incapable of counting that many seconds, but if he did, he'd at least be able to see light at the end of the tunnel. Whereas we, even when G does leave, we still have to deal with Wimmer for another year, plus the 10 useless players Jones signed, some of whose contracts also don't run out until 2022. What’s your point, sorry? Ndiaye wants a move irrespective of what position he’s playing.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 14:18:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:18:07 GMT
He's probably counting the minutes and the seconds till he doesn't have to be here anymore. Unlike Imbula who probably is incapable of counting that many seconds, but if he did, he'd at least be able to see light at the end of the tunnel. Whereas we, even when G does leave, we still have to deal with Wimmer for another year, plus the 10 useless players Jones signed, some of whose contracts also don't run out until 2022. What’s your point, sorry? Ndiaye wants a move irrespective of what position he’s playing. That's my point.
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Imbula
Dec 14, 2019 14:22:00 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 14, 2019 14:22:00 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that we try and bring back this absolute waste of space or are you being contrarian for the sake of it? I'm not personally in favour of Imbula; I'm just trying to point to the fact that he is an employee of SCFC for another 18 months and we have to do something constructive about it. Constructive being the operative word. Bringing that toxic waster back into the squad is not constructive to my mind.
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