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Post by bathstoke on Dec 15, 2019 22:14:48 GMT
Are they moobes or fake boobs... The real left. If I was 20yrs younger, I so wouldđź’‹
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2019 22:19:24 GMT
They hold the seats. They won't keep them if they don't do anything for the people in those seats. Self preservation. They've held Stoke South for two and a half years and the Council for four. Longton has gone from looking like Beirut to looking like Allepo…..only without the opportunities and culture. There are enough cultures in the Longton area already mate the council is a conservative/independent lead council, interestingly enough the conservatives more than doubled their number of seats in the May local elections from 7 to 15 !, maybe Labour should have taken notice then the writing was on the wall then, the voters obviously preferred them to the long standing Labour lead Council who have overseen the decimation of the City for many years. Still on the sour grapes I see Mo. your far left dreams have been shredded by the decent hard working tax paying working class voters in our country, it must hurt badly to have been so ruthlessly rejected by people they claimed to represent, choosing to vote in a floppy haired, lying, bullingdon boy, hard right, commie hating c*nt must feel devastating to the silent majority you have saved democracy from Marxist rule.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2019 22:21:48 GMT
Are they moobes or fake boobs... The real left. Has lizzard lost his pink beret they should have rolled him out pre election they would have lost more seats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:27:21 GMT
That last point is a good one, and if I'm honest, I quite like that people are thinking about these things like that. I see it as a good thing that students ask that question in order to make sure all people feel involved in something. It's no issue for me to ask for a more inclusive statement that is better suited for all people. However, I accept that broadly, companies tend to overdo it. She was probably asking for fear of her job instead of for genuine reasons, which is a shame. What a load of bollocks. If someone wished you a 'happy ramadan' would you get all offended & think they shouldn't be saying that as it isn't inclusive? No, but it's still courteous to think of others. It isn't about being annoyed if someone gets it wrong, but appreciating the effort they put in to be inclusive.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 22:35:55 GMT
A real working class girl telling the working class that the working class have got it wrong. And Labour still don't understand how they got it so wrong.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 15, 2019 22:37:19 GMT
They've held Stoke South for two and a half years and the Council for four. Longton has gone from looking like Beirut to looking like Allepo…..only without the opportunities and culture. There are enough cultures in the Longton area already mate the council is a conservative/independent lead council, interestingly enough the conservatives more than doubled their number of seats in the May local elections from 7 to 15 !, maybe Labour should have taken notice then the writing was on the wall then, the voters obviously preferred them to the long standing Labour lead Council who have overseen the decimation of the City for many years. Still on the sour grapes I see Mo. your far left dreams have been shredded by the decent hard working tax paying working class voters in our country, it must hurt badly to have been so ruthlessly rejected by people they claimed to represent, choosing to vote in a floppy haired, lying, bullingdon boy, hard right, commie hating c*nt must feel devastating to the silent majority you have saved democracy from Marxist rule. Hope you enjoy the next five years, spunky. You better hope that you and yours aren't ill in that period, or aren't unfairly dismissed or made redundant or become disabled or suffer anything that pushes you to the margins of society because allow me to let you into a little secret, these Tory fuckers don't give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. Stay lucky, eh?
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Post by salopstick on Dec 15, 2019 22:40:56 GMT
There are enough cultures in the Longton area already mate  the council is a conservative/independent lead council, interestingly enough the conservatives more than doubled their number of seats in the May local elections from 7 to 15 !, maybe Labour should have taken notice then the writing was on the wall then, the voters obviously preferred them to the long standing Labour lead Council who have overseen the decimation of the City for many years. Still on the sour grapes I see Mo. your far left dreams have been shredded by the decent hard working tax paying working class voters in our country, it must hurt badly to have been so ruthlessly rejected by people they claimed to represent, choosing to vote in a floppy haired, lying, bullingdon boy, hard right, commie hating c*nt  must feel devastating  to the silent majority you have saved democracy from Marxist rule. Hope you enjoy the next five years, spunky. You better hope that you and yours aren't ill in that period, or aren't unfairly dismissed or made redundant or become disabled or suffer anything that pushes you to the margins of society because allow me to let you into a little secret, these Tory fuckers don't give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. Stay lucky, eh? Momo get with the program. You need to get woke
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 15, 2019 22:45:49 GMT
If the Conservative Party restore some of the funding that they've cut from local authority budgets over the last 9 years.. (About 30%)..now that we've got a couple of Tory MPs then things might improve.
Or at the very least people will no longer starve to death or be sent to Labour camps for being disabled or work shy.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 15, 2019 22:47:20 GMT
Ignore the electorate at your peril
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2019 23:03:57 GMT
There are enough cultures in the Longton area already mate the council is a conservative/independent lead council, interestingly enough the conservatives more than doubled their number of seats in the May local elections from 7 to 15 !, maybe Labour should have taken notice then the writing was on the wall then, the voters obviously preferred them to the long standing Labour lead Council who have overseen the decimation of the City for many years. Still on the sour grapes I see Mo. your far left dreams have been shredded by the decent hard working tax paying working class voters in our country, it must hurt badly to have been so ruthlessly rejected by people they claimed to represent, choosing to vote in a floppy haired, lying, bullingdon boy, hard right, commie hating c*nt must feel devastating to the silent majority you have saved democracy from Marxist rule. Hope you enjoy the next five years, spunky. You better hope that you and yours aren't ill in that period, or aren't unfairly dismissed or made redundant or become disabled or suffer anything that pushes you to the margins of society because allow me to let you into a little secret, these Tory fuckers don't give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. Stay lucky, eh? Calm down Chairman Mo, I am ill/ disabled have been for a long time, I was unfairly dismissed but managed to get a good deal no thanks to my Union who were less than useless, I got off my arse and sorted it myself, I have been in the margins of society been to some very dark places including Longton, life is what you make of it duck, you are a very sore loser and always will be imo, I will hopefully enjoy the next five years thanks to the NHS and it's superb employees which I have contributed to all my life, stay unlucky spunky I am sure you will. Well done to all the working class who have rejected these Marxist tw*ts
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 15, 2019 23:12:52 GMT
Hope you enjoy the next five years, spunky. You better hope that you and yours aren't ill in that period, or aren't unfairly dismissed or made redundant or become disabled or suffer anything that pushes you to the margins of society because allow me to let you into a little secret, these Tory fuckers don't give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. Stay lucky, eh? Calm down Chairman Mo, I am ill/ disabled have been for a long time, I was unfairly dismissed but managed to get a good deal no thanks to my Union who were less than useless, I got off my arse and sorted it myself, I have been in the margins of society been to some very dark places including Longton, life is what you make of it duck, you are a very sore loser and always will be imo, I will hopefully enjoy the next five years thanks to the NHS and it's superb employees which I have contributed to all my life, stay unlucky spunky I am sure you will. Well done to all the working class who have rejected these Marxist tw*ts Things starting to make a lot of sense now
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Post by serpico on Dec 15, 2019 23:13:04 GMT
There are enough cultures in the Longton area already mate the council is a conservative/independent lead council, interestingly enough the conservatives more than doubled their number of seats in the May local elections from 7 to 15 !, maybe Labour should have taken notice then the writing was on the wall then, the voters obviously preferred them to the long standing Labour lead Council who have overseen the decimation of the City for many years. Still on the sour grapes I see Mo. your far left dreams have been shredded by the decent hard working tax paying working class voters in our country, it must hurt badly to have been so ruthlessly rejected by people they claimed to represent, choosing to vote in a floppy haired, lying, bullingdon boy, hard right, commie hating c*nt must feel devastating to the silent majority you have saved democracy from Marxist rule. Hope you enjoy the next five years, spunky. You better hope that you and yours aren't ill in that period, or aren't unfairly dismissed or made redundant or become disabled or suffer anything that pushes you to the margins of society because allow me to let you into a little secret, these Tory fuckers don't give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. Stay lucky, eh? think ive said this before but, I know someone who got ill under tory rule (diabetes leading to amputation) and had to stop working and i can tell you he gets by pretty well indeed, in fact he's told me he's getting way more than he actually needs to live on, they've contacted him before and told him he's entitled to more money! maybe he's somehow just got lucky and got the help ? i don't know. I know this is purely anecdotal and probably others have a terrible time, but i think if you genuinely need the help you invariably get it, we have a pretty generous welfare state even when conservatives are in power.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 23:17:20 GMT
There are enough cultures in the Longton area already mate the council is a conservative/independent lead council, interestingly enough the conservatives more than doubled their number of seats in the May local elections from 7 to 15 !, maybe Labour should have taken notice then the writing was on the wall then, the voters obviously preferred them to the long standing Labour lead Council who have overseen the decimation of the City for many years. Still on the sour grapes I see Mo. your far left dreams have been shredded by the decent hard working tax paying working class voters in our country, it must hurt badly to have been so ruthlessly rejected by people they claimed to represent, choosing to vote in a floppy haired, lying, bullingdon boy, hard right, commie hating c*nt must feel devastating to the silent majority you have saved democracy from Marxist rule. Hope you enjoy the next five years, spunky. You better hope that you and yours aren't ill in that period, or aren't unfairly dismissed or made redundant or become disabled or suffer anything that pushes you to the margins of society because allow me to let you into a little secret, these Tory fuckers don't give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. Stay lucky, eh? I'll let you into a little secret, none of the fuckers give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. I'm amazed people are still naive enough to think they do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:24:12 GMT
Hope you enjoy the next five years, spunky. You better hope that you and yours aren't ill in that period, or aren't unfairly dismissed or made redundant or become disabled or suffer anything that pushes you to the margins of society because allow me to let you into a little secret, these Tory fuckers don't give a tinkers fuck about people who reside out there. Stay lucky, eh? think ive said this before but, I know someone who got ill under tory rule (diabetes leading to amputation) and had to stop working and i can tell you he gets by pretty well indeed, in fact he's told me he's getting way more than he actually needs to live on, they've contacted him before and told him he's entitled to more money! maybe he's somehow just got lucky and got the help ? i don't know. I know this is purely anecdotal and probably others have a terrible time, but i think if you genuinely need the help you invariably get it, we have a pretty generous welfare state even when conservatives are in power. There's a crisis in this country caused by the Universal credit shambles. I've seen it first hand with people on the streets and using foodbanks. My brother in law has Progressive-Relapsing MS, he's peg fed, has to be moved using a harness and has lost his ability to communicate other than by blinking or the odd hand signal. My in-laws had to fight for months to get the money that goes towards his care as they physically couldn't get him to an assessment centre so they could assess him so it was suspended. The unnecessarily cruel tactics of this government need to change, I hope they do for the sake of all those people that need help I really do.......
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 23:33:59 GMT
think ive said this before but, I know someone who got ill under tory rule (diabetes leading to amputation) and had to stop working and i can tell you he gets by pretty well indeed, in fact he's told me he's getting way more than he actually needs to live on, they've contacted him before and told him he's entitled to more money! maybe he's somehow just got lucky and got the help ? i don't know. I know this is purely anecdotal and probably others have a terrible time, but i think if you genuinely need the help you invariably get it, we have a pretty generous welfare state even when conservatives are in power. There's a crisis in this country caused by the Universal credit shambles. I've seen it first hand with people on the streets and using foodbanks. My brother in law has Progressive-Relapsing MS, he's peg fed, has to be moved using a harness and has lost his ability to communicate other than by blinking or the odd hand signal. My in-laws had to fight for months to get the money that goes towards his care as they physically couldn't get him to an assessment centre so they could assess him so it was suspended. The unnecessarily cruel tactics of this government need to change, I hope they do for the sake of all those people that need help I really do....... Assessments have to be done, it's a very sad but necessary requirement, it happened under Labour it happens under the tories.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:39:15 GMT
There's a crisis in this country caused by the Universal credit shambles. I've seen it first hand with people on the streets and using foodbanks. My brother in law has Progressive-Relapsing MS, he's peg fed, has to be moved using a harness and has lost his ability to communicate other than by blinking or the odd hand signal. My in-laws had to fight for months to get the money that goes towards his care as they physically couldn't get him to an assessment centre so they could assess him so it was suspended. The unnecessarily cruel tactics of this government need to change, I hope they do for the sake of all those people that need help I really do....... Assessments have to be done, it's a very sad but necessary requirement, it happened under Labour it happens under the tories. I used the words "unnecessarily cruel" for a reason. I'm aware their needs to be processes to a point but to make people penniless over late arrival for a meeting for example when their are many reasons behind this is beyond the pale. And you honestly think someone that's confined to a bed and has zero mobility should be expected to travel to get to an assessment or they lose their benefits? Even though his Complex Needs Carer (the clue is in the name) and MS specialist had clearly stated he has a zero chance of ever working again. Surely not?
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 23:47:40 GMT
Assessments have to be done, it's a very sad but necessary requirement, it happened under Labour it happens under the tories. So someone that's confined to a bed and has zero mobility is expected to travel to get to an assessment or they lose their benefits? Even though his Complex Needs Carer (the clue is in the name) and MS specialist had clearly stated he has a zero chance of ever working again. You're being serious right? I'm just saying it's a difficult task but assessments on individual cases have to be done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 23:50:12 GMT
So someone that's confined to a bed and has zero mobility is expected to travel to get to an assessment or they lose their benefits? Even though his Complex Needs Carer (the clue is in the name) and MS specialist had clearly stated he has a zero chance of ever working again. You're being serious right? I've no idea, I'm just saying it's a difficult task but assessments on individual cases have to be done. You've no idea? Wow.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2019 23:55:53 GMT
I've no idea, I'm just saying it's a difficult task but assessments on individual cases have to be done. You've no idea? Wow. I amended the post however I maintain it's a difficult task but assessments on individual cases have to be done. It was done done under Labour Governments it's done under Tory governments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:14:04 GMT
I amended the post however I maintain it's a difficult task but assessments on individual cases have to be done. It was done done under Labour Governments it's done under Tory governments. The WCA was indeed introduced in 2008, however the outsourcing of some of the functions and the aggressive nature of dealing with individuals very much came in under the current government......
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 16, 2019 2:24:06 GMT
Lots of reasons for Labour's disastrous result but at the top of the list was Corbyn himself. My very tribal Labour relatives were canvassing in the Derbyshire North East, Chesterfield and Bolsover constituencies and he was so unpopular on the doorstep that they were resorting to a 'forget the leadership, focus on the policies' strategy.
The party's Brexit policy was also a huge mistake - they either needed to sell a customs union style plan strongly or back remaining full heartedly. The middle ground scenario pleased noone and just looked weak.
The manifesto was way too scattergun as well. They'd have been better off focusing on some core issues like the NHS, Social Care, Low pay etc. Do we really need a mass of nationalisations right now? It felt like a distraction and something that could be looked at in a second term.
Moving forward, the concern now is that Labour pick a female Corbyn clone and carry on like nothing has happened. If they don't connect with the traditional working class, it's game over from the start. Also, the party and it's supporters needs to stop treating Tory voters with absolute disdain. People are entitled to vote however they like, it's down to the Labour Party to convince them they're wrong - ranting and raving is more likely to result in a vote being lost permanently.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 16, 2019 6:31:16 GMT
The future of The Left? Choose your pick from these gormless candidates. Any one of these losers will keep Boris in for the next decade.
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Post by felonious on Dec 16, 2019 6:57:22 GMT
Andy McDonnell....it's the BBC what did for us
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 16, 2019 7:16:37 GMT
Ignore the electorate at your peril Yeah - I get the don’t ignore them bit. What he doesn’t realise - same as Stephen Kinnock on QT - is don’t treat them with contempt. Because contempt is what this video shows to anyone who voted Conservative. A bit of respect for people who have a different opinion would be welcome. Whatever the reason for casting your vote, being told repeatedly that you are responsible for putting in power a <insert your preferred insult or insults here> Tory government will not help change minds. Labour would do well toning down the Tory bashing rhetoric for a while and focus more on what they need to do to improve their election prospects. Otherwise they will further alienate the very people they want to attract back to the fold.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 7:26:48 GMT
There's a crisis in this country caused by the Universal credit shambles. I've seen it first hand with people on the streets and using foodbanks. My brother in law has Progressive-Relapsing MS, he's peg fed, has to be moved using a harness and has lost his ability to communicate other than by blinking or the odd hand signal. My in-laws had to fight for months to get the money that goes towards his care as they physically couldn't get him to an assessment centre so they could assess him so it was suspended. The unnecessarily cruel tactics of this government need to change, I hope they do for the sake of all those people that need help I really do....... Assessments have to be done, it's a very sad but necessary requirement, it happened under Labour it happens under the tories. Assessments are not done by the government they are contracted out, the process was introduced under Labour
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 7:36:25 GMT
Calm down Chairman Mo, I am ill/ disabled have been for a long time, I was unfairly dismissed but managed to get a good deal no thanks to my Union who were less than useless, I got off my arse and sorted it myself, I have been in the margins of society been to some very dark places including Longton, life is what you make of it duck, you are a very sore loser and always will be imo, I will hopefully enjoy the next five years thanks to the NHS and it's superb employees which I have contributed to all my life, stay unlucky spunky I am sure you will. Well done to all the working class who have rejected these Marxist tw*ts Things starting to make a lot of sense now Sense and you carry on losing Mo.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2019 7:38:18 GMT
I amended the post however I maintain it's a difficult task but assessments on individual cases have to be done. It was done done under Labour Governments it's done under Tory governments. The WCA was indeed introduced in 2008, however the outsourcing of some of the functions and the aggressive nature of dealing with individuals very much came in under the current government...... It's not medical assessments or universal credit that's the fundamental problem it's the way it is administerd when it was done by doctors at assessment centres it was done with a certain level of understanding and Compassion and have never had to have another Unfortunately it is now being done by trained medical personal and I use the term trained loosely When they changed from dla to pip I had another medical and to say it was a different experience was being polite Luckily I was still awarded my current level of care though not through want of her trying All they have to do is go back to using actual GPs or using GPs written advice to make any assessment needed
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 16, 2019 8:53:38 GMT
Ignore the electorate at your peril Yeah - I get the don’t ignore them bit. What he doesn’t realise - same as Stephen Kinnock on QT - is don’t treat them with contempt. Because contempt is what this video shows to anyone who voted Conservative. A bit of respect for people who have a different opinion would be welcome. Whatever the reason for casting your vote, being told repeatedly that you are responsible for putting in power a <insert your preferred insult or insults here> Tory government will not help change minds. Labour would do well toning down the Tory bashing rhetoric for a while and focus more on what they need to do to improve their election prospects. Otherwise they will further alienate the very people they want to attract back to the fold. He’s a comedian, not a politician. This isn’t evangelism it’s real politic. I’m not even going to counter what was in that video, because if people need to be spoonfed, there’s a lot of people to be served(do you remember spoonfeeding your kids & how long it takes!) What we’re seeing with the posting of that video is a self justification of an individual’s decision.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 9:04:00 GMT
The WCA was indeed introduced in 2008, however the outsourcing of some of the functions and the aggressive nature of dealing with individuals very much came in under the current government...... It's not medical assessments or universal credit that's the fundamental problem it's the way it is administerd when it was done by doctors at assessment centres it was done with a certain level of understanding and Compassion and have never had to have another Unfortunately it is now being done by trained medical personal and I use the term trained loosely When they changed from dla to pip I had another medical and to say it was a different experience was being polite Luckily I was still awarded my current level of care though not through want of her trying All they have to do is go back to using actual GPs or using GPs written advice to make any assessment needed Totally agree with that. And my point is they are all conscious decisions made by the current government, which is just cruel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 9:06:39 GMT
Assessments have to be done, it's a very sad but necessary requirement, it happened under Labour it happens under the tories. Assessments are not done by the government they are contracted out, the process was introduced under Labour I can't help you with your inability to read a thread properly, sorry.....
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