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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:21:14 GMT
I think the left are using Brexit as an excuse. They weren't blaming Brexit at the last election when Labour made all those gains. What has changed now, is that the electorate are far more aware of who Corbyn IS and they don't like him - he was toxic on the doorstep this time around. Momentum is destroying the Labour party from within, there's no point in having an ideology, if that's all it ever remains - you have to be IN power to make a difference. No matter what the Labour party do now, it's going to be virtually impossible to turn over such a big majority within 5 years, it's going to take at least 10, maybe even more. Jon Lansman and his ilk have set back the Labour party back 10 - 20 years and now the party needs to shift back towards the centre if it's going to have any chance of being relevant in the future. Labour made those gains pretending to support Brexit? Agree on the rest, though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 12:25:03 GMT
I think the left are using Brexit as an excuse. They weren't blaming Brexit at the last election when Labour made all those gains. What has changed now, is that the electorate are far more aware of who Corbyn IS and they don't like him - he was toxic on the doorstep this time around. Momentum is destroying the Labour party from within, there's no point in having an ideology, if that's all it ever remains - you have to be IN power to make a difference. No matter what the Labour party do now, it's going to be virtually impossible to turn over such a big majority within 5 years, it's going to take at least 10, maybe even more. Jon Lansman and his ilk have set back the Labour party back 10 - 20 years and now the party needs to shift back towards the centre if it's going to have any chance of being relevant in the future. Labour made those gains pretending to support Brexit? Agree on the rest, though. The first time I ever went to Scotland was as a kid with my parents to watch Michael Foot at a rally, I was brought up in a very active Labour party household and have voted Labour all my life (until yesterday). Alan Johnson absolutely nails it:
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 13, 2019 12:25:52 GMT
The fact is some of Labour policies played OK on the doorstep, people are at least prepared to talk about nationalisation, what beat them was personality and Brexit but the right of the Labour Party will seize it and we'll end up with some war mongering neo-liberal right wing Blairite cunt.
Anyway on to this City, when people are on trolleys for 12 hours in windy corridors, when people are dismissed from their jobs with no rights and have to wait weeks for any help, when kids go to school hungry, when the only work is zero hours distribution wank, my response will be to say 'tough fucking shit, you brought it on yourselves'.
I hope some of the miners, the steelworkers and the potters long since gone haunt the fuckers who betrayed them last night.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:36:29 GMT
Labour made those gains pretending to support Brexit? Agree on the rest, though. The first time I ever went to Scotland was as a kid with my parents to watch Michael Foot at a rally, I was brought up in a very active Labour party household and have voted Labour all my life (until yesterday). Alan Johnson absolutely nails it: First bloke I voted for was Footy. Despite his image in his later years, he was a great speaker with an intellect that dwarfs many of the current lot.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:39:19 GMT
I still think Lisa Nandy would be a decent shout. Felt sorry for Caroline Flint last night, she was OK, too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 12:40:57 GMT
I think it's mostly two things.
People want to vote for a party guaranteeing brexit. The tory campaign almost didn't matter beyond that one message. Boris Johnson could've shot that poor kid in the hospital personally while exclaiming 'fuck the NHS' and he'd have still won through with the 'get brexit done' message.
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Corbyn promised too much too early. He lost credibility among voters and became an easy target for media outcries of 'naivety'. Labour's manifesto was more of a 10 year wishlist than a 5 year plan. I think he tried to be too groundbreaking and it played into tory hands. Easy to refute opposition when they appear to be promising things too good to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 12:51:13 GMT
I think the left are using Brexit as an excuse. They weren't blaming Brexit at the last election when Labour made all those gains. What has changed now, is that the electorate are far more aware of who Corbyn IS and they don't like him - he was toxic on the doorstep this time around. Momentum is destroying the Labour party from within, there's no point in having an ideology, if that's all it ever remains - you have to be IN power to make a difference. No matter what the Labour party do now, it's going to be virtually impossible to turn over such a big majority within 5 years, it's going to take at least 10, maybe even more. Jon Lansman and his ilk have set back the Labour party back 10 - 20 years and now the party needs to shift back towards the centre if it's going to have any chance of being relevant in the future. What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so.......
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 12:52:38 GMT
I still think Lisa Nandy would be a decent shout. Felt sorry for Caroline Flint last night, she was OK, too. I like Lisa Nandy a lot, she appears to be one of those rare breed of politicians that are both honest and sincere. But is she just too 'nice' to be the leader of the opposition? For example, I just can't imagine her being able to match Johnson at PMQ.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 12:57:42 GMT
I still think Lisa Nandy would be a decent shout. Felt sorry for Caroline Flint last night, she was OK, too. I like Lisa Nandy a lot, she appears to be one of those rare breed of politicians that are both honest and sincere. But is she just too 'nice' to be the leader of the opposition? For example, I just can't imagine her being able to match Johnson at PMQ. Think she is quite capable of standing up for herself. I saw her fight her corner on YouTube with a combative interviewer. I missed the joys of Richard Burgon earlier, apparently he was his usual dim self?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 13:05:22 GMT
I think the left are using Brexit as an excuse. They weren't blaming Brexit at the last election when Labour made all those gains. What has changed now, is that the electorate are far more aware of who Corbyn IS and they don't like him - he was toxic on the doorstep this time around. Momentum is destroying the Labour party from within, there's no point in having an ideology, if that's all it ever remains - you have to be IN power to make a difference. No matter what the Labour party do now, it's going to be virtually impossible to turn over such a big majority within 5 years, it's going to take at least 10, maybe even more. Jon Lansman and his ilk have set back the Labour party back 10 - 20 years and now the party needs to shift back towards the centre if it's going to have any chance of being relevant in the future. What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... Prior to the referendum being called, the issue of Europe was way down the list of the electorate's priorities, most people weren't really arsed about Europe either way. However the campaigns on both sides changed that completely and people felt that they HAD to have an opinion on it. I genuinely believe that if Corbyn had gone out into the Labour heartlands and full on campaigned for Remain, making the argument that Brexit would be bad for those constituencies, then there is every chance that Remain would have won but he just couldn't bring himself to do it. His failure to do so, lead to his ridiculous current Brexit policy, with him attempting to ride two horses at the same time, which ultimately has failed spectacularly. It was all entirely of his own making.
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Post by Davef on Dec 13, 2019 13:10:27 GMT
I think the left are using Brexit as an excuse. They weren't blaming Brexit at the last election when Labour made all those gains. What has changed now, is that the electorate are far more aware of who Corbyn IS and they don't like him - he was toxic on the doorstep this time around. Momentum is destroying the Labour party from within, there's no point in having an ideology, if that's all it ever remains - you have to be IN power to make a difference. No matter what the Labour party do now, it's going to be virtually impossible to turn over such a big majority within 5 years, it's going to take at least 10, maybe even more. Jon Lansman and his ilk have set back the Labour party back 10 - 20 years and now the party needs to shift back towards the centre if it's going to have any chance of being relevant in the future. What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... It's hardly surprising that they've pandered to remainers in the metropolitan boroughs (and as a result the Londoncentric media) when you consider that many of their high-profile shadow cabinet members are MP's in the capital. Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Starmer, Gardiner, Thornberry and Butler are all MP's in London constituencies. As a traditional Labour voter myself, there aren't many of that lot that whet the appetite.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:15:18 GMT
What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... It's hardly surprising that they've pandered to remainers in the metropolitan boroughs (and as a result the Londoncentric media) when you consider that many of their high-profile shadow cabinet members are MP's in the capital. Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Starmer, Gardiner, Thornberry and Butler are all MP's in London constituencies. As a traditional Labour voter myself, there aren't many of that lot that whet the appetite. The worst Labour front bench in living memory.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:17:46 GMT
What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... Prior to the referendum being called, the issue of Europe was way down the list of the electorate's priorities, most people weren't really arsed about Europe either way. However the campaigns on both sides changed that completely and people felt that they HAD to have an opinion on it. I genuinely believe that if Corbyn had gone out into the Labour heartlands and full on campaigned for Remain, making the argument that Brexit would be bad for those constituencies, then there is every chance that Remain would have won but he just couldn't bring himself to do it. His failure to do so, lead to his ridiculous current Brexit policy, with him attempting to ride two horses at the same time, which ultimately has failed spectacularly. It was all entirely of his own making. I wonder how many people Corbyn lost when he went "neutral" on Brexit? Leaders lead, or are supposed to.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 13, 2019 13:18:51 GMT
Nandy resigned from the shadow cabinet in 2016. She can get fucked for a start off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 13:19:46 GMT
What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... It's hardly surprising that they've pandered to remainers in the metropolitan boroughs (and as a result the Londoncentric media) when you consider that many of their high-profile shadow cabinet members are MP's in the capital. Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Starmer, Gardiner, Thornberry and Butler are all MP's in London constituencies. As a traditional Labour voter myself, there aren't many of that lot that whet the appetite. I agree. The party is too London centric. Yet people are telling me that if Keir Starmer a reminer and London politician would have led them Labour to victory last night.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 13:21:29 GMT
What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... Prior to the referendum being called, the issue of Europe was way down the list of the electorate's priorities, most people weren't really arsed about Europe either way. However the campaigns on both sides changed that completely and people felt that they HAD to have an opinion on it. I genuinely believe that if Corbyn had gone out into the Labour heartlands and full on campaigned for Remain, making the argument that Brexit would be bad for those constituencies, then there is every chance that Remain would have won but he just couldn't bring himself to do it.
His failure to do so, lead to his ridiculous current Brexit policy, with him attempting to ride two horses at the same time, which ultimately has failed spectacularly. It was all entirely of his own making. Completely disagree on that, people were too entrenched in their views on Brexit on both sides.......
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2019 13:22:56 GMT
Nandy resigned from the shadow cabinet in 2016. She can get fucked for a start off. Fence sitting fuck! 😁
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 13:24:33 GMT
Prior to the referendum being called, the issue of Europe was way down the list of the electorate's priorities, most people weren't really arsed about Europe either way. However the campaigns on both sides changed that completely and people felt that they HAD to have an opinion on it. I genuinely believe that if Corbyn had gone out into the Labour heartlands and full on campaigned for Remain, making the argument that Brexit would be bad for those constituencies, then there is every chance that Remain would have won but he just couldn't bring himself to do it.
His failure to do so, lead to his ridiculous current Brexit policy, with him attempting to ride two horses at the same time, which ultimately has failed spectacularly. It was all entirely of his own making. Completely disagree on that, people were too entrenched in their views on Brexit on both sides....... People became entrenched in their views as a RESULT of the campaigns, most people didnt even really think about Europe, until the referendum was called. www.economist.com/britain/2017/04/03/brexit-a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem"For most of the decade up to his announcement, the percentage of people citing Europe as one of the main issues facing the country was in the single digits."
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 13, 2019 13:33:13 GMT
There isn’t one
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Post by salopstick on Dec 13, 2019 13:33:32 GMT
The fact is some of Labour policies played OK on the doorstep, people are at least prepared to talk about nationalisation, what beat them was personality and Brexit but the right of the Labour Party will seize it and we'll end up with some war mongering neo-liberal right wing Blairite cunt. Anyway on to this City, when people are on trolleys for 12 hours in windy corridors, when people are dismissed from their jobs with no rights and have to wait weeks for any help, when kids go to school hungry, when the only work is zero hours distribution wank, my response will be to say 'tough fucking shit, you brought it on yourselves'. I hope some of the miners, the steelworkers and the potters long since gone haunt the fuckers who betrayed them last night. Tough shit because you brought it on yourself You and your ilk are a disgrace People on these labour heartlands have spent years being ignored by their labour MP. They thought let’s try a change When they do they get ridiculed by the London left You have been down south far to long Momo. Momentum has caught you up
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Post by thevoid on Dec 13, 2019 13:37:46 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 13, 2019 13:38:11 GMT
I commented on our Whatsapp group last night after the Exit Poll was released that Labour would be out of power for at least a decade. They have become an irrelevance and hardly fit to oppose now, never mind form a Government. Whatever your politics, that's not good for democracy.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 13, 2019 13:41:10 GMT
The fact is some of Labour policies played OK on the doorstep, people are at least prepared to talk about nationalisation, what beat them was personality and Brexit but the right of the Labour Party will seize it and we'll end up with some war mongering neo-liberal right wing Blairite cunt. Anyway on to this City, when people are on trolleys for 12 hours in windy corridors, when people are dismissed from their jobs with no rights and have to wait weeks for any help, when kids go to school hungry, when the only work is zero hours distribution wank, my response will be to say 'tough fucking shit, you brought it on yourselves'. I hope some of the miners, the steelworkers and the potters long since gone haunt the fuckers who betrayed them last night. Tough shit because you brought it on yourself You and your ilk are a disgrace People on these labour heartlands have spent years being ignored by their labour MP. They thought let’s try a change When they do they get ridiculed by the London left You have been down south far to long Momo. Momentum has caught you up Here he comes, Salop! Our knight in shining armer. He, the champion of the poor & oppressed. See he points to our bright future of a monkey dustless life, under the protection of BorisXx
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 13, 2019 13:41:41 GMT
Labour made those gains pretending to support Brexit? Agree on the rest, though. The first time I ever went to Scotland was as a kid with my parents to watch Michael Foot at a rally, I was brought up in a very active Labour party household and have voted Labour all my life (until yesterday). Alan Johnson absolutely nails it: And if the party can't be rescued from the squalor of Momentum, maybe a split is needed.
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Post by vokeswagen on Dec 13, 2019 13:52:12 GMT
I think the left are using Brexit as an excuse. They weren't blaming Brexit at the last election when Labour made all those gains. What has changed now, is that the electorate are far more aware of who Corbyn IS and they don't like him - he was toxic on the doorstep this time around. Momentum is destroying the Labour party from within, there's no point in having an ideology, if that's all it ever remains - you have to be IN power to make a difference. No matter what the Labour party do now, it's going to be virtually impossible to turn over such a big majority within 5 years, it's going to take at least 10, maybe even more. Jon Lansman and his ilk have set back the Labour party back 10 - 20 years and now the party needs to shift back towards the centre if it's going to have any chance of being relevant in the future. What's changed is that in 2017 people liked Labour's policies and the fact that they would respect the result of the referendum, in 2019 they still liked most of the policies but didn't like that the fact that Labour have become a party of remain via the back door. You say Momentum are killing the party, and you say Labour need to drift more towards the centre ground. I say it's the centrists in the party who have done everything in their power to undermine Corbyn from day one who have been partly responsible, Corbyn showed a complete lack of leadership by not getting rid of them by having their whip withdrawn. Some of them are absolute cowards and traitors. Labour have pandered to the remainers in the metropolitan boroughs and to hell with their traditional supporters in the North West/North East/Yorkshire and the West Midlands. And that could have been avoided by respecting the democratic process and allowing Brexit to happen. The need for a socialist democratic government should have been greater than the need to prolong Brexit. Corbyn should have been decisive in getting rid of the trouble makers in his party, decisive in fighting back against the antisemitism smears (deal with the actual small minority and push back on the 99% of bollocks written on the subject), and decisive on the party's Brexit stance. And by not doing that he's paid the price and rightly so....... I'd agree with this. Corbyn tried and failed to appease everyone in the party instead of offering a clear vision and sticking to it. Characteristic of a man who seeks consensus at the expense of goals. He walked a line instead of taking a side. It's understandable why he felt he had to do this under the circumstances but it's destroyed him. Also worth taking a moment to remember, in spite of the scale of the victory, that Brexit is far from done, and the Conservative Party has previous for managing to tear itself a new arsehole over Europe from seemingly unassailable positions.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 13, 2019 13:52:41 GMT
The fact is some of Labour policies played OK on the doorstep, people are at least prepared to talk about nationalisation, what beat them was personality and Brexit but the right of the Labour Party will seize it and we'll end up with some war mongering neo-liberal right wing Blairite cunt. Anyway on to this City, when people are on trolleys for 12 hours in windy corridors, when people are dismissed from their jobs with no rights and have to wait weeks for any help, when kids go to school hungry, when the only work is zero hours distribution wank, my response will be to say 'tough fucking shit, you brought it on yourselves'. I hope some of the miners, the steelworkers and the potters long since gone haunt the fuckers who betrayed them last night. Tough shit because you brought it on yourself You and your ilk are a disgrace People on these labour heartlands have spent years being ignored by their labour MP. They thought let’s try a change When they do they get ridiculed by the London left You have been down south far to long Momo. Momentum has caught you up I'm in friggin' Dresden, I can see the ground from my house!
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Post by salopstick on Dec 13, 2019 13:55:43 GMT
If the left have any future they start to need accepting democracy
They were warned in the 16 referendum, Warned again in 17 they even had a massive warning with red lights and sirens in the MEP elections
Each time they ignored it. Each time they they tried to dismiss it. Each time they had excuses and blamed the electorate
Guess what. They are doing it again
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 13, 2019 13:58:37 GMT
Tough shit because you brought it on yourself You and your ilk are a disgrace People on these labour heartlands have spent years being ignored by their labour MP. They thought let’s try a change When they do they get ridiculed by the London left You have been down south far to long Momo. Momentum has caught you up I'm in friggin' Dresden, I can see the ground from my house! Well from Salop Towers, he can see the Royal Shrewsbury Flower Show💐
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 14:02:00 GMT
Tough shit because you brought it on yourself You and your ilk are a disgrace People on these labour heartlands have spent years being ignored by their labour MP. They thought let’s try a change When they do they get ridiculed by the London left You have been down south far to long Momo. Momentum has caught you up Here he comes, Salop! Our knight in shining armer. He, the champion of the poor & oppressed. See he points to our bright future of a monkey dustless life, under the protection of BorisXx I think Salops continued reference to a failed labour party is due to him feeling let down by them more than anything else. I get the impression that in his heart he's a labour voter but due to various (and documented) reasons has felt obligated to vote against them, for which he feels bitter and resentful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:05:55 GMT
Here he comes, Salop! Our knight in shining armer. He, the champion of the poor & oppressed. See he points to our bright future of a monkey dustless life, under the protection of BorisXx I think Salops continued reference to a failed labour party is due to him feeling let down by them more than anything else. I get the impression that in his heart he's a labour voter but due to various (and documented) reasons has felt obligated to vote against them, for which he feels bitter and resentful. I'd imagine it is echoed by many. Labour have a huge job on their hands regaining that vote. The (completely fair) weaponisation of austerity wasn't enough to carve through the fact voters feel like brexit needs to happen.
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