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Joe Allen
Dec 12, 2019 1:28:44 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 12, 2019 1:28:44 GMT
rubbish comparison imho Walters made a huge contribution to our success Allen has made a made a huge contribution to our failure. bit of a difference there. You’re seriously comparing Joe Allen’s contribution to that if Jon Walters? Allen isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Walters. Not even close. Effort wise, it's a very very fine line.... Position wise is totally different, Walters would always score more goals and therefore be seen as the better of the two......but could you see Walters as an out 'n' out midfielder??? It's totally pointless comparing Allen to Walters, it's almost like comparing Vokes to Huth!!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 12, 2019 6:56:29 GMT
We're playing 433 though Cokey - with a holding midfielder. Of the three, who has performed best in that role in your opinion overall? Ndiaye Cousins Woods N'Diaye without a doubt. IMHO But I'm not the manager, I don't see the players in training every week. Some players try hard in training and others don't bother to raise sweat. Some players are committed to the club and some are knocking on the door saying they want to leave. If N'Diaye is behaving like he did in the opening match against Leeds last season, MON will not be impressed. There’s zero evidence to suggest he is though is there? When he’s played he’s given everything to the cause this season. I think the whole ‘what they do in training’ is a let them eat cake argument. Plenty of very good footballers haven’t necessarily been the best trainers. We need our best players on the pitch.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 12, 2019 7:40:57 GMT
You’re seriously comparing Joe Allen’s contribution to that if Jon Walters? Allen isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Walters. Not even close. Effort wise, it's a very very fine line.... Position wise is totally different, Walters would always score more goals and therefore be seen as the better of the two......but could you see Walters as an out 'n' out midfielder??? It's totally pointless comparing Allen to Walters, it's almost like comparing Vokes to Huth!!! The comparison is certain people’s lack of appreciation of what both players contributed and their actual ability not their role on the park.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 12, 2019 7:54:34 GMT
To all the offended snowflakes.
Snowflakes falling, all around me, Joe Allen playing, having fun, Cups his ears, sing it why you're standing, Dunna cry now, everyone.
Repeat 😁
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 8:00:27 GMT
Im not so bothered about the ear cupping. Makes it look like they give a fuck.
However we were 9th in the Premier League when Allen signed so it just seems a bit odd given we were 23rd in the Championship when he did it.
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Joe Allen
Dec 12, 2019 8:01:54 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 12, 2019 8:01:54 GMT
My only complaint is he didn't give a double hander after cupping his ears 😁
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 8:02:46 GMT
To all the offended snowflakes. Snowflakes falling, all around me, Joe Allen playing, having fun, Cups his ears, sing it why you're standing, Dunna cry now, everyone. Repeat 😁 Fuck me, Lennon and McCartney missed a trick there.
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Post by stokecity4life on Dec 12, 2019 8:13:05 GMT
Seeing as i started this thread i`m gonna add my 2p again
I said what a stunning performance Joe has in the last match - this doesn`t mean i believe he`s a stunning player.
I`ve been his biggest critic, we have always tried to accomodate him which ultimately at the start meant the demise of Bojan in the number 10 role under Hughes and his running about like an idiot at times puts us in awful positions.
This was a comment about the prior game, I see someone has done a thread about Ince, who was also in my option really good in the last match but has been absolutely disgraceful for most of the season.
The problem we have more than anything is consistency.
Confidence and consistency.
That applies to Allen, Clucus, Edwards, Ince, etc etc......
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 12, 2019 10:19:59 GMT
N'Diaye without a doubt. IMHO But I'm not the manager, I don't see the players in training every week. Some players try hard in training and others don't bother to raise sweat. Some players are committed to the club and some are knocking on the door saying they want to leave. If N'Diaye is behaving like he did in the opening match against Leeds last season, MON will not be impressed. There’s zero evidence to suggest he is though is there? When he’s played he’s given everything to the cause this season. I think the whole ‘what they do in training’ is a let them eat cake argument. Plenty of very good footballers haven’t necessarily been the best trainers. We need our best players on the pitch. We don't know do we? Your second point is very valid. Alan Hudson wrote in the Waddington Years about some players being very good in training but disappointing on match day in front 1000s od spectators and vice versa. (Jimmy Greaves was infamous for not trying hard in training.) Nevertheless, I think picking Allen, Etebo, and N'Diaye together has not proven to be successful and I can see why MON wants to have different players in MF. That's all I'm saying. I'm defending the manager by giving a possible explanation for his actions. You say N'Diaye has given everything to the cause this season and played well, but he has not done anything to win any matches unlike Allen and Clucas. I think the club want to cash in on him asap as he wants to play in other leagues.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 12, 2019 10:23:21 GMT
There’s zero evidence to suggest he is though is there? When he’s played he’s given everything to the cause this season. I think the whole ‘what they do in training’ is a let them eat cake argument. Plenty of very good footballers haven’t necessarily been the best trainers. We need our best players on the pitch. We don't know do we? Your second point is very valid. Alan Hudson wrote in the Waddington Years about some players being very good in training but disappointing on match day in front 1000s od spectators and vice versa. (Jimmy Greaves was infamous for not trying hard in training.) Nevertheless, I think picking Allen, Etebo, and N'Diaye together has not proven to be successful and I can see why MON wants to have different players in MF. That's all I'm saying. I'm defending the manager by giving a possible explanation for his actions. You say N'Diaye has given everything to the cause this season and played well, but he has not done anything to win any matches unlike Allen and Clucas. I think the club want to cash in on him asap as he wants to play in other leagues. What do you mean he has not done anything to win any matches? You're defending the manager by inventing a hypothetical scenario based on no evidence that paints the player in a bad light, I'm not sure why the manager deserves that kind of defence or why the player deserves the boot being stuck in? Are you saying none of our other players want to play in other leagues? How does the club cash in on him to any decent effect if he isn't in the shop window?
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 12, 2019 10:33:28 GMT
We love a good whine don’t we?
Allen plays a blinder and scores two fine goals.
And people are more inclined to bitch about his celebration.
Have some people just forgotten how to enjoy a win or are they just happier when they’re moaning?
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 12, 2019 11:16:47 GMT
It's a bit rich when players cup their ears to the crowd after they've been putting in the kind of performances that these lot have put in over the last year ( or 2 in some cases ). I sort of don't mind the point they're making to the crowd but playing to the best of their abilities on a regular basis would be a much better way of making that point. The crowd were booing because they have been nothing short of dreadful in the 3 games before ( to the point that a new manager has only just stopped short of calling them out ) and maybe that inspired them to remember there professional pride. They ought to be applauding the crowd in gratitude Great win but more to do.. alot more if they want to avoid the ignominy of another relegation. The ear-cuppers need to concentrate on that, I reckon
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Joe Allen
Dec 12, 2019 13:09:37 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 12, 2019 13:09:37 GMT
Random I know but fuck joe Allen the ear cupping twat. Can’t stand him. Never hated a stoke player as much
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Joe Allen
Dec 12, 2019 13:17:30 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 12, 2019 13:17:30 GMT
I couldnt care less what he did to the fans, fans shouldnt boo throughout the match IMHO -at the end yes if you want but not throughout. If he performs like that i dont care And for me this performance under the dire circumstances was a 10 The booing won us the game. Before that they didn’t give a shit. How can it be a 10 when he was AWOL for a third of the game? My boss regularly boos me at work and I find it incredibly motivating. Love the man and gave him my performance bonus. Admittedly he took it off me but as he's my superior so it's only fair.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 12, 2019 15:14:34 GMT
To all the offended snowflakes. Snowflakes falling, all around me, Joe Allen playing, having fun, Cups his ears, sing it why you're standing, Dunna cry now, everyone. Repeat 😁 Offended?...how does that come into it?...a very strange interpretation! or maybe just a thinly veiled excuse to used the word 'snowflake'. thinking someone is acting like a bit of a spoiled twat, doesn't mean you are offended, it just means you think they are acting a like a bit of spoiled twat. would you describe those who got so pissed off with our players passing backwards they decided to use their vocal chords as snowflakes too? Offended at passing backwards?
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Post by harlequin on Dec 12, 2019 15:23:57 GMT
Why is Allen being made the white whale here? McClean also cupped his ears for significantly longer and nobody cares.
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Joe Allen
Dec 12, 2019 16:29:07 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 12, 2019 16:29:07 GMT
To all the offended snowflakes. Snowflakes falling, all around me, Joe Allen playing, having fun, Cups his ears, sing it why you're standing, Dunna cry now, everyone. Repeat 😁 Fuck me, Lennon and McCartney missed a trick there. I take it you're one of the said snowflakes?
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Joe Allen
Dec 12, 2019 16:29:57 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 12, 2019 16:29:57 GMT
To all the offended snowflakes. Snowflakes falling, all around me, Joe Allen playing, having fun, Cups his ears, sing it why you're standing, Dunna cry now, everyone. Repeat 😁 Offended?...how does that come into it?...a very strange interpretation! or maybe just a thinly veiled excuse to used the word 'snowflake'. thinking someone is acting like a bit of a spoiled twat, doesn't mean you are offended, it just means you think they are acting a like a bit of spoiled twat. would you describe those who got so pissed off with our players passing backwards they decided to use their vocal chords as snowflakes too? Offended at passing backwards? 🤣😁🤣😁🤣😁🤣
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 12, 2019 19:28:55 GMT
Why is Allen being made the white whale here? McClean also cupped his ears for significantly longer and nobody cares. I think McClean gets enough without the ear-cupping... 😁
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Joe Allen
Dec 12, 2019 19:29:40 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 12, 2019 19:29:40 GMT
Maybe today, but what about when he was garbage in the premier League with bojan, shaqiri and Marko in front of him? So I don't buy that. Ince, Allen and Butland are all living off their history, but all have been incredibly in effective for some time. What history Ince Blackpool, Derby etc didn't give a toss when he left Butland was at the Blues England had a desperate shortage of quality keepers still do. Allen scouser lived up to their reputation selling a counterfeit footballer for millions. Fair to say their history is better than bottom three in championship?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 20:10:27 GMT
Vardy does it a lot when he scores with a big smile on his face. He does it in front of opposition fans because they give him dog's abuse. I'm all in favour of that but when you do it to your own fans when you've underperformed for so long.... McClean made a big point of it by ushering his teammates away who'd come to celebrate with him..... that's a big 'fuck off' .
Someone else said it after the match, there's a massive disconnect at this club between the fans and the players and those kind of celebrations do nothing to help
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 12, 2019 21:49:03 GMT
Vardy does it a lot when he scores with a big smile on his face. He does it in front of opposition fans because they give him dog's abuse. I'm all in favour of that but when you do it to your own fans when you've underperformed for so long.... McClean made a big point of it by ushering his teammates away who'd come to celebrate with him..... that's a big 'fuck off' . Someone else said it after the match, there's a massive disconnect at this club between the fans and the players and those kind of celebrations do nothing to help Exactly. There was a ridiculous post about fans being snowflakes cause they were supposedly offended by the cupping of ears. The only thing Ive been offended by is the shit football we have had to endure for the last 2 plus years by a bunch of overpaid, overfed prima donnas. They decide to turn up for one night only and think they have got the moral high ground all of a sudden. Just makes em look like a bunch of tossers really. Totally out of touch with reality. Respect is something you have to earn. Very little respect from me for this lot at this moment in time.
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Joe Allen
Dec 13, 2019 9:37:04 GMT
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 13, 2019 9:37:04 GMT
Vardy does it a lot when he scores with a big smile on his face. He does it in front of opposition fans because they give him dog's abuse. I'm all in favour of that but when you do it to your own fans when you've underperformed for so long.... McClean made a big point of it by ushering his teammates away who'd come to celebrate with him..... that's a big 'fuck off' . Someone else said it after the match, there's a massive disconnect at this club between the fans and the players and those kind of celebrations do nothing to help Exactly. There was a ridiculous post about fans being snowflakes cause they were supposedly offended by the cupping of ears. The only thing Ive been offended by is the shit football we have had to endure for the last 2 plus years by a bunch of overpaid, overfed prima donnas. They decide to turn up for one night only and think they have got the moral high ground all of a sudden. Just makes em look like a bunch of tossers really. Totally out of touch with reality. Respect is something you have to earn. Very little respect from me for this lot at this moment in time. MON has a big part to play in this. He wants the fans to get behind the team but some players actions will undermine that
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Joe Allen
Dec 13, 2019 20:43:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 20:43:47 GMT
Fuck me, Lennon and McCartney missed a trick there. I take it you're one of the said snowflakes? No. People trying to be funny but failing miserably does offend me though
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Joe Allen
Dec 13, 2019 21:17:39 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2019 21:17:39 GMT
I take it you're one of the said snowflakes? No. People trying to be funny but failing miserably does offend me though Don't tell me, you voted remain as well 🤣
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Post by pushon on Dec 15, 2019 0:18:24 GMT
Joe is our best player by a country mile. First half, particularly, Joe was head and shoulders above everyone else.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 15, 2019 0:24:35 GMT
Joe is our best player by a country mile. First half, particularly, Joe was head and shoulders above everyone else. No one was head and shoulders above anyone on either side in that shower of shite. Allen was solid, but that no one shone in that game at all.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 16, 2019 20:08:27 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 16, 2019 20:10:39 GMT
If we get £10M for him I'd rather keep Badou and Etebo!
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Joe Allen
Dec 16, 2019 20:19:43 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 16, 2019 20:19:43 GMT
Good news?? Joker. Got to agree with O'Neill though, he does seem like he hasn't been impacted; he was pap before, he's pap now. Surely this is a media report to pretend like Stoke want to keep him so as to drive the price up.
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