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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 11, 2019 1:27:35 GMT
Great display which leaves me wondering where this Joe Allen goes for another 20 games before reappearing. Luton played the perfect game for him, sloppy in the midfield with the ball and no pressure on runners allowing him to maraud forward.
I’ve been a heavy critic, but he was good tonight. But that’s the standard we should be expecting from one of purported leaders and highest paid players. I still think on the whole he owes us back a lot for his performance.
As I posted re Ear Cupping Thread: Fine to ear cup, his prerogative but don’t ear cup and then come out saying you understand how the fans are feeling and how hard it must be for us. It’s duplicitous and silly.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 11, 2019 1:37:44 GMT
The cupping of the ears just shows what a bunch of arrogant, overpaid and spoiled twats we have who masquerade as professional footballers. Someone who has underachieved the best part of 2 years, uncharacteristically does something useful for change (i.e what they are paid to do) and then expects us all to grovel apologetically and feel shame that we ever had the audacity to doubt his supposed greatness. Perhaps the insignificant gesture was justified by the headless chicken who has never given less than 100% in effort which is undeniable. Quality outcome of performance is another aspect for debate. Funnily enough he has consistently been on the team sheet by “is it now” five different managers. Makes you think doesn’t it?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 11, 2019 2:10:26 GMT
The cupping of the ears just shows what a bunch of arrogant, overpaid and spoiled twats we have who masquerade as professional footballers. Someone who has underachieved the best part of 2 years, uncharacteristically does something useful for change (i.e what they are paid to do) and then expects us all to grovel apologetically and feel shame that we ever had the audacity to doubt his supposed greatness. Perhaps the insignificant gesture was justified by the headless chicken who has never given less than 100% in effort which is undeniable. Quality outcome of performance is another aspect for debate. Funnily enough he has consistently been on the team sheet by “is it now” five different managers. Makes you think doesn’t it? Indeed it does. It makes you think just how fucking abysmal we have been under four of those five managers since Joe Allen arrived, and where it landed them. Let’s hope MON either manages to get a massive improvement out of him, or finds a replacement to help arrest the slide. Also, the gesture was not insignificant. It was a pretty clear and decisive gesture of contempt for the fans from a player who should be fucking grateful that he’s still being paid Premier League wages to pretend he’s a Championship footballer.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 11, 2019 2:32:28 GMT
Absolute rubbish. He was simply outstanding for 75mins in a team devoid of confidence. He was a 10. Considering out situation, past few games and the start of this match the turnaround and performance was nothing short of stunning. 8/10? Seriously? 2 goals, stunning goals and an assist (basically) - plus a brilliant performance. I`ve hated him at times, the keeping Bojan out of the side in the number 10 role etc but tonight he was stunning. Yes. Like I said he was awol for a third of the game and a 10 is a special score. We beat a crap Luton side who gifted us all 3 goals. Which is great but no one was a 10 were they. And the turnaround was because of the fans having enough of the negative dross on the pitch. That first 35 minutes as bad a performance as we’ve put in for years. Allen played well from that moment but that’s just ott nonsense. Gifting goals is the hallmark of this league, especially at the bottom. Let’s face it, we have gifted a bucket load of goals to bad teams all season and missed a bucket load of goals at the other end. That why we keep losing and our gd is -11. At least today we took our chances and didn’t make too many mistakes at the back. It’s a start. And I am happy Allen played well. He was very good when he first joined Stoke and scored goals. Let’s hope it continues because we’ll need him when N’daye and Etebo leave in January, which is almost certain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 2:41:50 GMT
Yes. Like I said he was awol for a third of the game and a 10 is a special score. We beat a crap Luton side who gifted us all 3 goals. Which is great but no one was a 10 were they. And the turnaround was because of the fans having enough of the negative dross on the pitch. That first 35 minutes as bad a performance as we’ve put in for years. Allen played well from that moment but that’s just ott nonsense. Gifting goals is the hallmark of this league, especially at the bottom. Let’s face it, we have gifted a bucket load of goals to bad teams all season and missed a bucket load of goals at the other end. That why we keep losing and our gd is -11. At least today we took our chances and didn’t make too many mistakes at the back. It’s a start. And I am happy Allen played well. He was very good when he first joined Stoke and scored goals. Let’s hope it continues because we’ll need him when N’daye and Etebo leave in January, which is almost certain. But what about FFP? You haven't mentioned that?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 11, 2019 5:22:25 GMT
Hopefully it means someone comes in for him in January so I finally never have to see him again.
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Post by mrred on Dec 11, 2019 5:28:22 GMT
Shows what a fucking moron he is and his inability to read the room. As well as the level of contempt these pricks have for fans. Cupping his ears because he's slayed the mighty Luton Town. Giving it the big 'un because we've beat Luton fucking Town...
3-0 or not, they continue to be the most disliked group of players I've ever witnessed at Stoke.
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Post by britvic72 on Dec 11, 2019 6:59:00 GMT
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Dec 11, 2019 7:34:23 GMT
He was average, as usual, but actually scored a couple of goals, which is unusual for him, but not unusual for someone in his position.
And to cup his ears in front of the few fans that actually bothered to turn up last night, shows him to be a bit of a dick.
On the whole though, if 3 more teams are as wank as Luton, we’ll survive this season.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 11, 2019 7:38:11 GMT
Post match interview Being patient “I know that’s maybe a word the crowd have heard a lot here, but at the end of the day you can’t just go out and chase the ball without a strategy or without an organisation. So it was important when we did go and press we gave ourselves the best chance to win it and joe was very important in that Joe has the ability to lift the players around him and he showed that tonight “ I like the words strategy and organisation- an approach that has been missing for a while Very early days for MON, but I think he’s a good choice for this very difficult job He also mentions any win is a boost of confidence On to the next game
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Post by zerps on Dec 11, 2019 7:41:41 GMT
Ive been his biggest critic at times but tonight he was stunning. Ive seen some ratings etc but today this was a 10. Two stunning goals and he basically created the first as well. Constant press, running the midfield. A faultless display from a bloke who offers so much but frustrates. If he could only show this consistent performance he would galvanize the team, he would lead by example and it showed to the other players..... Played well, but I don’t think cupping his ears to the fans was any sort of example to be setting, especially from a player who’s been instrumental in the utter shambles of the last four years. He’s been fucking garbage for most of his time here, but to some extent he’s gotten away with it because he seems like a decent character - but tonight he acted like a total cunt with those antics. Exactly this. Shows how much discipline we’ve lost when our stand in captain does this. Mon has his work cut out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2019 7:52:09 GMT
The booing won us the game. Before that they didn’t give a shit. How can it be a 10 when he was AWOL for a third of the game? AWOL for a third of the game? You missed the whole of the match, you sit in the wrong seat to view the whole of the pitch, you have an agenda. Your choice The whole team bar Lindsay and Cousins were awol for a third of the match 😂
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Post by Veritas on Dec 11, 2019 7:56:26 GMT
I couldnt care less what he did to the fans, fans shouldnt boo throughout the match IMHO -at the end yes if you want but not throughout. If he performs like that i dont care And for me this performance under the dire circumstances was a 10 The booing won us the game. Before that they didn’t give a shit. How can it be a 10 when he was AWOL for a third of the game? Booing won the game! You must live in some kind of warped parallel universe
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 8:00:52 GMT
The cupping of the ears thing just shows them up for what they are, and it should leave us in no doubt as fans as to why we've gone through so many managers recently.
I could understand and would support it if we were in and around the top 6 or even top half, and they had been given both barrels for an isolated bad performance. In that instance it would have been unfair and unjust. In which case, as fans you have to hold your hands up and suck it up.
But as a group they are possibly the most expensive in Championship history and definitely one of the most highest paid in Championship history and they've chronically underperformed for 18 months, seeing off two managers in the process.
Again, I could understand it if they've been attacked even deservedly most weeks but they haven't. The fans have been very patient, more than I've ever known a group of Stoke fans to be, in the face of some appalling performances.
We're rooted in the bottom three and even a 3 nil win against an appalling side still leaves us in the bottom three. Last night was just our 5th win of the season and we're almost halfway through the season, having lost two thirds of our games.
At a time when the fans and players need each other last night was an opportunity to rebuild bridges and enforce the bond between terraces and players, and this could have been easily achieved by subdued, almost apologetic goal celebrations which would have got them a lot of respect from fans who braced appalling weather to turn up, after witnessing poor performances at this level for 18 months.
I speak as someone who has never booed or chanted derogatory comments at our players, but I fear last night has just delayed an even more fierce reaction should we start throwing in poor performances and results in the near future.
The fans that paid out hundreds of pounds and a good 8 hours of their day at Hull didn't deserve it and nor did the fans that turned out last night.
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Post by zerps on Dec 11, 2019 8:05:42 GMT
The cupping of the ears thing just shows them up for what they are, and it should leave us in no doubt as fans as to why we've gone through so many managers recently. I could understand and would support it if we were in and around the top 6 or even top half, and they had been given both barrels for an isolated bad performance. In that instance it would have been unfair and unjust. In which case, as fans you have to hold your hands up and suck it up. But as a group they are possibly the most expensive in Championship history and definitely one of the most highest paid in Championship history and they've chronically underperformed for 18 months, seeing off two managers in the process. Again, I could understand it if they've been attacked even deservedly most weeks but they haven't. The fans have been very patient, more than I've ever known a group of Stoke fans to be, in the face of some appalling performances. We're rooted in the bottom three and even a 3 nil win against an appalling side still leaves us in the bottom three. Last night was just our 5th win of the season and we're almost halfway through the season, having lost two thirds of our games. At a time when the fans and players need each other last night was an opportunity to rebuild bridges and enforce the bond between terraces and players, and this could have been easily achieved by subdued, almost apologetic goal celebrations which would have got them a lot of respect from fans who braced appalling weather to turn up, after witnessing poor performances at this level for 18 months. I speak as someone who has never booed or chanted derogatory comments at our players, but I fear last night has just delayed an even more fierce reaction should we start throwing in poor performances and results in the near future. The fans that paid out hundreds of pounds and a good 8 hours of their day at Hull didn't deserve it and nor did the fans that turned out last night. Yet some people think they’re entitled to taunt the fans when they score. It doesn’t matter what happens this season, they’re a bunch of losers that definitely don’t deserve to wear the shirt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2019 8:08:13 GMT
The booing won us the game. Before that they didn’t give a shit. How can it be a 10 when he was AWOL for a third of the game? Booing won the game! You must live in some kind of warped parallel universe Why? Why did they suddenly start playing pretty much immediately after that? It was a kick up the arse that spurred them on.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Dec 11, 2019 8:22:18 GMT
I think people are reading too much into the ear cupping. He immediately followed it up by pumping his fists and asking for more noise. Just an in the moment reaction/release of tension.
We have to all put our big boy pants on and suck it up if we're going to get out of this mess, fans included.
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Post by stokie1947 on Dec 11, 2019 8:22:21 GMT
i could never understand the criticism of him to me along with Maclean always give 100% back to the match it was a welcome 3pts but nothing to get excited about they were a very poor team defensibly
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Post by stantheman on Dec 11, 2019 8:26:14 GMT
The cupping of the ears just shows what a bunch of arrogant, overpaid and spoiled twats we have who masquerade as professional footballers. Someone who has underachieved the best part of 2 years, uncharacteristically does something useful for change (i.e what they are paid to do) and then expects us all to grovel apologetically and feel shame that we ever had the audacity to doubt his supposed greatness. Perhaps the insignificant gesture was justified by the headless chicken who has never given less than 100% in effort which is undeniable. Quality outcome of performance is another aspect for debate. Funnily enough he has consistently been on the team sheet by “is it now” five different managers. Makes you think doesn’t it? Makes you think that he has been so shite for so long, that a couple of goals against the worst team I've seen in years, makes some people on here think he's stunning.
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Post by greyman on Dec 11, 2019 8:59:25 GMT
The cupping of the ears thing just shows them up for what they are, and it should leave us in no doubt as fans as to why we've gone through so many managers recently. I could understand and would support it if we were in and around the top 6 or even top half, and they had been given both barrels for an isolated bad performance. In that instance it would have been unfair and unjust. In which case, as fans you have to hold your hands up and suck it up. But as a group they are possibly the most expensive in Championship history and definitely one of the most highest paid in Championship history and they've chronically underperformed for 18 months, seeing off two managers in the process. Again, I could understand it if they've been attacked even deservedly most weeks but they haven't. The fans have been very patient, more than I've ever known a group of Stoke fans to be, in the face of some appalling performances. We're rooted in the bottom three and even a 3 nil win against an appalling side still leaves us in the bottom three. Last night was just our 5th win of the season and we're almost halfway through the season, having lost two thirds of our games. At a time when the fans and players need each other last night was an opportunity to rebuild bridges and enforce the bond between terraces and players, and this could have been easily achieved by subdued, almost apologetic goal celebrations which would have got them a lot of respect from fans who braced appalling weather to turn up, after witnessing poor performances at this level for 18 months. I speak as someone who has never booed or chanted derogatory comments at our players, but I fear last night has just delayed an even more fierce reaction should we start throwing in poor performances and results in the near future. The fans that paid out hundreds of pounds and a good 8 hours of their day at Hull didn't deserve it and nor did the fans that turned out last night. Sums up my feelings precisely.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 11, 2019 8:59:27 GMT
The cupping of the ears just shows what a bunch of arrogant, overpaid and spoiled twats we have who masquerade as professional footballers. Someone who has underachieved the best part of 2 years, uncharacteristically does something useful for change (i.e what they are paid to do) and then expects us all to grovel apologetically and feel shame that we ever had the audacity to doubt his supposed greatness. Exactly, do it when you're not bottom of division 2 and only winning games and putting in a performance once in blue moon
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 11, 2019 9:04:38 GMT
Maybe Joe has been misunderstood with his ear cupping. Maybe he's asking for the players to be shamed publicly enough on a more regular basis so they are embarrassed enough to put in a performance 🤔
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 11, 2019 9:09:28 GMT
Ive been his biggest critic at times but tonight he was stunning. Ive seen some ratings etc but today this was a 10. Two stunning goals and he basically created the first as well. Constant press, running the midfield. A faultless display from a bloke who offers so much but frustrates. If he could only show this consistent performance he would galvanize the team, he would lead by example and it showed to the other players..... His best game for us in the Championship.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 11, 2019 9:09:56 GMT
Did a good job when he was pressing and harassing them.
Before that though he looked a little bit lost. His through ball for their centre forward, which Batth recovered well, was his best pass up until about the 30 minute mark.
I think he trusts cousins a bit more than woods so doesn't need to be as concerned with trying to press but then break the shape completely as he has to get back to make a tackle.
That's what he can do and that's what he should be doing. Keep it up, keep scoring and keep cupping your ears after you do score!
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Post by wuzza on Dec 11, 2019 9:17:09 GMT
He fights, gives 100%, never hides (even if he has made a mistake), and has bags of skill. Joe Allen is totally fit to wear the shirt and I for one am very pleased that he is and has been a Stoke City player.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Dec 11, 2019 9:32:23 GMT
I just don't understand people who go out of their way to witch hunt our own players. SLP posted his Opta stats on Facebook:
Opta player rating 9.7 Touches of the ball 60 Passing accuracy 91.9% Key passes 2 Shots 3 Goals 2 Tackles attempted 8 Tackles completed 8 Clearances 2
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 11, 2019 9:44:44 GMT
Cupping his ears ha, we're still in the relegation zone you knob.
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Post by pez75 on Dec 11, 2019 10:31:17 GMT
Ive been his biggest critic at times but tonight he was stunning. Ive seen some ratings etc but today this was a 10. Two stunning goals and he basically created the first as well. Constant press, running the midfield. A faultless display from a bloke who offers so much but frustrates. If he could only show this consistent performance he would galvanize the team, he would lead by example and it showed to the other players..... The words Joe, Allen and stunning really don't roll off the tongue. The fact that he looked good against an utterley shite Luton side means nothing. Cupping his ears - wtf. How about pointing to the black armband and showing some grace and respect to the Afobe family? Stunning my arse Ha I bet you and a few others didn't know what to do last night - did you even celebrate his goals? Yet another MOM display from Joe, keep up the good work!
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 11, 2019 10:34:23 GMT
My input on the booing, it happened when Edward's had the ball on the right of their box in front of the south stand in yards of space but he turned back and passed it backwards we lost possession and they created a chance. He could and should have crossed but passed back the crowd booed because it was negative. From that moment the team were more positive and as Bayern's said it changed the game and we won so he has a point.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 11, 2019 10:36:17 GMT
I just don't understand people who go out of their way to witch hunt our own players. SLP posted his Opta stats on Facebook: Opta player rating 9.7 Touches of the ball 60 Passing accuracy 91.9% Key passes 2 Shots 3 Goals 2 Tackles attempted 8 Tackles completed 8 Clearances 2 He was terrific last night, I've scarcely seen anything said otherwise and rightly so. His stats for last season when he's easily one of the top paid CMs in the league are pretty mediocre in all departments. And simple stats don't really cover the moments when he presses poorly (Derby, Charlton and QPR spring to mind) or fails to track a runner which he does a lot. My hypothesis is and always has been that we'd be better signing genuine number 10s, genuine CDMs etc rather than using Allen as a jack of all trades at the cost of Premier League wages.
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