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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 10, 2019 23:29:26 GMT
We badly needed a show of strength tonight and that's just what we got. MoN really is our man, comparing him with the last two flakes and dreamers is all wrong. We could so easily have let morale slip again but instead I'm guessing that was a combination of inspiring the lads with what they're capable of and, I would think, some proper scary arse-kicking too. Managing at this level, so much is about getting that balance between instilling self-belief and putting the fear of god into anyone who believes adequate is acceptable. The technical details follow from that imho, man management must always come first and tonight was evidence of a job well done in the past few days. Now keep it up this time.
9 from me
add * if you were there please
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 10, 2019 23:31:14 GMT
About time Sal - did you go get pissed to celebrate? Gouranga.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 10, 2019 23:36:42 GMT
9* made some brave changes to try and stop the rot and they worked, Ryan's appearance seemed to give everyone a lift, Cousins looked like the DCM we've been missing and Lyndsay looked far more mobile than BMI. We desperately needed a win tonight and we got it scored three and an unsoiled sheet as well regardless of what we think of the opposition they are above us in the league and as we have seen quite a lot this year we could have capitulated to another embarrassing defeat. I'm so happy we've won! Gouranga.
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 10, 2019 23:37:26 GMT
9.5*
Can’t ask for much more than that to be honest.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 10, 2019 23:38:29 GMT
About time Sal - did you go get pissed to celebrate? Gouranga. Is it that obvious?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 10, 2019 23:42:53 GMT
About time Sal - did you go get pissed to celebrate? Gouranga. Is it that obvious? I was about to start the thread for you again, that'd be 3 times since MON has become manager, I hope it's going to be a regular thing Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:48:42 GMT
9 (cold & wet) * Can you do it on a wet, windy Tuesday night at Stoke. Well apparently many of our supporters can't.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Dec 10, 2019 23:48:49 GMT
9*
3 goals Clean sheet 3 points
5 pints 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 Very Happy!! 👍
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 10, 2019 23:54:35 GMT
9*
Must admit the starting line up puzzled me and scared me in equal measures, but everyone played like lions tonight and we deserved the win.
Great result and hopefully we can repeat the victory on Saturday.
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Post by stokecity4life on Dec 10, 2019 23:56:36 GMT
10
Simple
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Post by walrus on Dec 11, 2019 0:00:44 GMT
It’s a hard one. It’s easy to let these rate the manager threads turn into a proxy for “rate the overall outcome of the match”.
I groaned when I heard the team news. I can’t get behind going one up top at home but if MON insists on doing it I think Diouf or Gregory is a better option than Vokes. I also don’t understand why he wanted to play Lindsay ahead of Batth tonight.
That being said, the system and side was capable of comfortably winning the match. Bringing Cousins in for Woods looked a good move, as did brining on Diouf to give us more energy up top at the end.
Ultimately I remain unconvinced with this system and how it will stand up against better teams. But tonight was more good than bad for sure so I’ll give him a 7.5*.
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Post by rawli on Dec 11, 2019 0:05:35 GMT
It’s a hard one. It’s easy to let these rate the manager threads turn into a proxy for “rate the overall outcome of the match”. I groaned when I heard the team news. I can’t get behind going one up top at home but if MON insists on doing it I think Diouf or Gregory is a better option than Vokes. I also don’t understand why he wanted to play Lindsay ahead of Batth tonight. That being said, the system and side was capable of comfortably winning the match. Bringing Cousins in for Woods looked a good move, as did brining on Diouf to give us more energy up top at the end. Ultimately I remain unconvinced with this system and how it will stand up against better teams. But tonight was more good than bad for sure so I’ll give him a 7.5*. My assumption is he can see that Baath is unable to keep possession of the ball. His passing is shocking.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 11, 2019 0:06:05 GMT
10 - All about results now and every win is a 10 out of 10 from here on in
His team selection scared the feck out of me tonight, but hey-ho if he wins he is vindicated.
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Post by onionman on Dec 11, 2019 0:10:16 GMT
8. This is the first time in years, bloody years, that a manager has made some decisions that seemed stupid but turned out to be good. Have we finally got a manager who knows more about football than the average fan? Surely not.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Dec 11, 2019 0:22:52 GMT
8 *- He can only beat what’s put in front of him, Luton were garbage. The only reason it wasn’t a 10 is because of that horrible first 30 minutes when the team didn’t look interested.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 11, 2019 0:27:47 GMT
9 (cold & wet) * Can you do it on a wet, windy Tuesday night at Stoke. Well apparently many of our supporters can't. Excellent! Made me chuckle.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 11, 2019 0:27:50 GMT
7 - hopefully we can build on it. His wins have been against the three worst teams we have played.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 11, 2019 2:47:34 GMT
It’s a hard one. It’s easy to let these rate the manager threads turn into a proxy for “rate the overall outcome of the match”. I groaned when I heard the team news. I can’t get behind going one up top at home but if MON insists on doing it I think Diouf or Gregory is a better option than Vokes. I also don’t understand why he wanted to play Lindsay ahead of Batth tonight. That being said, the system and side was capable of comfortably winning the match. Bringing Cousins in for Woods looked a good move, as did brining on Diouf to give us more energy up top at the end. Ultimately I remain unconvinced with this system and how it will stand up against better teams. But tonight was more good than bad for sure so I’ll give him a 7.5*. I agree. He’s still trying work out his preferred starting 11. Assuming Badou and Etebo are leaving and no longer in the picture, he seems to be building a team around Butland, Shawcross, Clucas, Allen, McLean and Ince. All the other positions are up for grabs. Ince is light weight and doesn’t contribute much, but he’s the best available on the right wing (maybe we’ll pick up someone better in January, but I am not holding my breath).
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 11, 2019 8:47:39 GMT
He was getting pelters in the match thread pre game now he's getting 10s 🤷♂️
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 11, 2019 9:27:50 GMT
7 I really don't like the starting xi that he is putting out and last night was the same. I don't think the changes made any difference to the performance. And against better teams the likes of Lyndsey and Cousins and one up front will be exposed for what they are and what we have already seen from them under Jones. It was a crucial win but Luton were absolutely abysmal by some distance the worst team we have played this season. If he can get results with the same team in tough fixtures against Sheff Wed and Fulham I will be impressed
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Post by wuzza on Dec 11, 2019 9:29:56 GMT
9 - played it exactly right against that sort of team. Can he do it against better less open sides ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2019 9:34:13 GMT
It’s a hard one. It’s easy to let these rate the manager threads turn into a proxy for “rate the overall outcome of the match”. I groaned when I heard the team news. I can’t get behind going one up top at home but if MON insists on doing it I think Diouf or Gregory is a better option than Vokes. I also don’t understand why he wanted to play Lindsay ahead of Batth tonight. That being said, the system and side was capable of comfortably winning the match. Bringing Cousins in for Woods looked a good move, as did brining on Diouf to give us more energy up top at the end. Ultimately I remain unconvinced with this system and how it will stand up against better teams. But tonight was more good than bad for sure so I’ll give him a 7.5*. I agree. He’s still trying work out his preferred starting 11. Assuming Badou and Etebo are leaving and no longer in the picture, he seems to be building a team around Butland, Shawcross, Clucas, Allen, McLean and Ince. All the other positions are up for grabs. Ince is light weight and doesn’t contribute much, but he’s the best available on the right wing (maybe we’ll pick up someone better in January, but I am not holding my breath). Several times in interviews MON has implied he is frustrated that Ince is the only player he has who can play on the right wing. He may be right but, given that Ince is very left footed, he is always going to be happier cutting in and shooting than he is putting crosses in. MaClean is also a leftie and gets plenty of crosses in as he is on his "natural" wing. Thankfully he has a great engine to piles of determination to compensate somewhat for a lack of skill. I do wonder if there might be a right footer who could provide competition for Ince on the right. Two possibilities: 1. Edwards could possibly play in Ince's position instead of at right back trouble with that is Edwards crossing ability seems to have been in decline in recent weeks. 2. I think it was in one of MON's early games where Woods put a couple of good right wing crosses in. If I were MON I would be trying Edwards and Woods in Ince's position in practice games or possibly giving them a run there in an U23 game or two. 8.5 for me - he is learning about his squad which is more than his predecessor seemed to do.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 11, 2019 9:37:26 GMT
8* I think he surprised a lot of folk last night, not least some of the starting 11...Cousins wtf! I really didn't see that coming After a shaky start we really saw some good attitude out there, including Ince If MON can continue to get maximum effort from every player, then there is a glimmer of hope for the rest of this season. 9 points out of 18 is the sort of return that will see us safe...can he keep it up?
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Post by femark on Dec 11, 2019 9:53:19 GMT
I agree. He’s still trying work out his preferred starting 11. Assuming Badou and Etebo are leaving and no longer in the picture, he seems to be building a team around Butland, Shawcross, Clucas, Allen, McLean and Ince. All the other positions are up for grabs. Ince is light weight and doesn’t contribute much, but he’s the best available on the right wing (maybe we’ll pick up someone better in January, but I am not holding my breath). Several times in interviews MON has implied he is frustrated that Ince is the only player he has who can play on the right wing. He may be right but, given that Ince is very left footed, he is always going to be happier cutting in and shooting than he is putting crosses in. MaClean is also a leftie and gets plenty of crosses in as he is on his "natural" wing. Thankfully he has a great engine to piles of determination to compensate somewhat for a lack of skill. I do wonder if there might be a right footer who could provide competition for Ince on the right. Two possibilities: 1. Edwards could possibly play in Ince's position instead of at right back trouble with that is Edwards crossing ability seems to have been in decline in recent weeks. 2. I think it was in one of MON's early games where Woods put a couple of good right wing crosses in. If I were MON I would be trying Edwards and Woods in Ince's position in practice games or possibly giving them a run there in an U23 game or two.
8.5 for me - he is learning about his squad which is more than his predecessor seemed to do. Thank god you're not the manager
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 11, 2019 10:05:23 GMT
Several times in interviews MON has implied he is frustrated that Ince is the only player he has who can play on the right wing. He may be right but, given that Ince is very left footed, he is always going to be happier cutting in and shooting than he is putting crosses in. MaClean is also a leftie and gets plenty of crosses in as he is on his "natural" wing. Thankfully he has a great engine to piles of determination to compensate somewhat for a lack of skill. I do wonder if there might be a right footer who could provide competition for Ince on the right. Two possibilities: 1. Edwards could possibly play in Ince's position instead of at right back trouble with that is Edwards crossing ability seems to have been in decline in recent weeks. 2. I think it was in one of MON's early games where Woods put a couple of good right wing crosses in. If I were MON I would be trying Edwards and Woods in Ince's position in practice games or possibly giving them a run there in an U23 game or two.
8.5 for me - he is learning about his squad which is more than his predecessor seemed to do. Thank god you're not the manager I agree with that! Seriously, I am not suggesting that either Edwards or Woods is a long term prospect as a right winger. But if Ince gets injured (or has to move to the left if MaClean is injured) before we bring one in in January, we will need an option. Diouf is an option but I like him more as a striker. Beyond Diouf all I am suggesting is that Woods and Edwards are tried out in that position in U23 and/or training because I'm really not happy with having ANY position in the team where there is only one contender for the position. Are you?
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 11, 2019 10:56:00 GMT
Only seen the brief highlights but we actually pressed the opposition, however bad they were. We never do that and it’s a basic job, even for players of limited ability.
Also, Joe Allen driving FORWARDS! WTF did that come from?
He and McClean shushing the crowd need to fuck off though. They are in no position to start acting billy big bollocks.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Dec 11, 2019 11:27:19 GMT
10*
Home win, no goals conceded, scored 3 and with a bit more luck / composed finishing could have been 5 or 6.
The fact that Luton were absolutely awful is irrelevant. MON's immediate task is to get this squad to win games by hook or by crook. So with regards to last night's game it's job done.
On to the next one now.
Gooooaaaarrrnn Stoke!
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 11, 2019 11:32:09 GMT
9* from me. I don't care who it was against, a 3-0 home win is a damned good result and his selections proved to be right. Well done Michael.
OS.
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 11, 2019 11:33:47 GMT
Bloody awful team selection, but at least it freshened up the team, MON is limited to what he can do with these hand me downs, 3 points no matter how we played is all that matters
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 11, 2019 11:41:14 GMT
For half an hour we were no better than we have been in the last couple of games, then a very poor Luton team left us a huge gap to enable us to score. That changed the game as confidence grew and Luton completely ran out of ideas. There were still a number of less than impressive periods in the game, but we won comfortably and kept a clean sheet. 7.5*
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