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Post by felonious on Dec 16, 2019 20:40:52 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 16, 2019 20:45:32 GMT
I saw Flint on TV this morning and she seemed a bit worried about it and mentioned possible legal action. Of all the shit being thrown about this is so trivial it's a laugh.
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Post by felonious on Dec 16, 2019 20:49:16 GMT
Labour’s next leader? Look at this gallery of idiots. To put it mildly, what a rabble!! Make that 10 years of Boris Johnson as PM... One of my faves Another fave, the personal signed copy.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 16, 2019 20:49:19 GMT
Well we know what Thornberry thinks of people who display the cross of st George from their house so it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 16, 2019 20:52:35 GMT
Thornberry is the one who took the piss out of working class people putting England flags up outside their home. If Labour wanted a true representation of what they stand for, then she'd be perfect. Not sure they'd get many votes though. Also, she's thick as pigshit and the perfect example of female privilege. That is - there's no way she would have got the job if she were a bloke. She's dreadful and everything I dislike about some parts of labour at the minute. If you're saying there's some sort of 'female privilege' where she's only got a job because she's female, in the same nation that Boris Johnson can become the actual PM then I'm not really sure how to react to that. Ah, Boris Johnson who has completely outmanoeuvred Labour in the election? He's shown himself a far superior politician than Thornberry. He's won working class voters, whereas she's lost them.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 16, 2019 20:57:09 GMT
Less baggage certainly But it doesn't alter the fact that policy wise she's Corbyn with a period I think Steven Kinnock always sounds like a decent voice of reason and may make a good Labour leader Steven Kinnock has about as much personality as a paper bag. Rebecca Long Bailey has absolutely no grasp of policy. Just listen to Andrew Neil eviscorate her. I'd go for Gloria de Piero.. Every fucking day of the week 😜
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 16, 2019 21:03:28 GMT
Rebecca Long-Bailey would get my vote.She seems to talk less nonsense than the rest and less baggage. Wrong Daily the female Burgon a walking talking soundbite machine pick her and 2024 is done already. Looking at the list it says something that Lisa I could vote for a brexit deal but just not this one Nandy looks like a leading candidate. I wonder if her about turn coincides with her job being safe now?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 16, 2019 21:05:58 GMT
I think Steven Kinnock always sounds like a decent voice of reason and may make a good Labour leader Steven Kinnock has about as much personality as a paper bag. Rebecca Long Bailey has absolutely no grasp of policy. Just listen to Andrew Neil eviscorate her. I'd go for Gloria de Piero.. Every fucking day of the week 😜 Me, too.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 16, 2019 21:10:55 GMT
Steven Kinnock has about as much personality as a paper bag. Rebecca Long Bailey has absolutely no grasp of policy. Just listen to Andrew Neil eviscorate her. I'd go for Gloria de Piero.. Every fucking day of the week 😜 Me, too. Good lad 😉
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 16, 2019 21:32:09 GMT
Long Bailey is the Labour equivalent of Jo Swinson. A totally inconsequential figure. This will seal it for Bozza and the Tories for the next decade. Make no mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 21:43:43 GMT
She's dreadful and everything I dislike about some parts of labour at the minute. If you're saying there's some sort of 'female privilege' where she's only got a job because she's female, in the same nation that Boris Johnson can become the actual PM then I'm not really sure how to react to that. Ah, Boris Johnson who has completely outmanoeuvred Labour in the election? He's shown himself a far superior politician than Thornberry. He's won working class voters, whereas she's lost them. He's run a good campaign, but he's thick as mince.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 16, 2019 21:47:33 GMT
Long Bailey is the Labour equivalent of Jo Swinson. A totally inconsequential figure. This will seal it for Bozza and the Tories for the next decade. Make no mistake. Without the jugs 😞
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Post by salopstick on Dec 16, 2019 22:02:52 GMT
Unless they change rules or fuck off momentum it will be someone from Corbyn’s side.
At the moment I do not think they have anyone of political stature who can win back the working classes
And if they insist on picking a woman just because she’s a woman they will make an even worse choice
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 22:06:27 GMT
Ah, Boris Johnson who has completely outmanoeuvred Labour in the election? He's shown himself a far superior politician than Thornberry. He's won working class voters, whereas she's lost them. He's run a good campaign, but he's thick as mince. , pot kettle black calling
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 16, 2019 22:06:56 GMT
Long Bailey has a regional accent that has suggestions of working classness. The media will hammer her for that. The public will go along with it too. Including people who themselves have regional accents and working classness. That's just where we are now.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 16, 2019 22:09:09 GMT
It’s worth making the point that even non labour voters want a decent labour leader who can challenge the govt on issues. A strong opposition is good for checks and balances
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 16, 2019 22:49:13 GMT
I saw Flint on TV this morning and she seemed a bit worried about it and mentioned possible legal action. Of all the shit being thrown about this is so trivial it's a laugh. Can Flint still go for the leadership if she wanted to, even though she's no longer an MP? I read somewhere that Boris could still have been PM even if he lost his seat. I just think Flint has the right values to lead Labour. She supported Boris's deal and has always said Brexit needs to happen, so she'd win respect from Labour voters. She could also stand up to Boris with classy poise.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2019 0:23:53 GMT
I saw Flint on TV this morning and she seemed a bit worried about it and mentioned possible legal action. Of all the shit being thrown about this is so trivial it's a laugh. Can Flint still go for the leadership if she wanted to, even though she's no longer an MP? I read somewhere that Boris could still have been PM even if he lost his seat. I just think Flint has the right values to lead Labour. She supported Boris's deal and has always said Brexit needs to happen, so she'd win respect from Labour voters. She could also stand up to Boris with classy poise. No, pretty sure they have to be a sitting MP. The choices aren't great.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 17, 2019 0:50:00 GMT
Labour moved from the centre to the left in 2015 and gained 600,000 votes, then in 2017 they gained 3m votes. Then they lurched to the centre on Brexit and bingo they lost 2.5m votes. The Blair government despite their success lost millions of voters including pretty much the whole of Scotland don't forget...... I'm pretty much in the minority but reckon the "Red wall" was demolished primarily because of Brexit.. About 70/30 brexit/corbyn . I believe the stats on those who voted Lab 2017 and Con 2019 were about 30% Brexit and 45-ish% Corbyn.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2019 2:57:18 GMT
I saw Flint on TV this morning and she seemed a bit worried about it and mentioned possible legal action. Of all the shit being thrown about this is so trivial it's a laugh. Can Flint still go for the leadership if she wanted to, even though she's no longer an MP? I read somewhere that Boris could still have been PM even if he lost his seat. I just think Flint has the right values to lead Labour. She supported Boris's deal and has always said Brexit needs to happen, so she'd win respect from Labour voters. She could also stand up to Boris with classy poise. I don't think you can say she'd win support from Labour supporters, when she's just lost a seat she's had for 20 years and Labour have had for just shy of a 100 years.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 17, 2019 4:02:09 GMT
I saw Flint on TV this morning and she seemed a bit worried about it and mentioned possible legal action. Of all the shit being thrown about this is so trivial it's a laugh. Can Flint still go for the leadership if she wanted to, even though she's no longer an MP? I read somewhere that Boris could still have been PM even if he lost his seat. I just think Flint has the right values to lead Labour. She supported Boris's deal and has always said Brexit needs to happen, so she'd win respect from Labour voters. She could also stand up to Boris with classy poise. I think boris could have been prime minister if he was given a peerage,
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 17, 2019 4:10:20 GMT
Ah, Boris Johnson who has completely outmanoeuvred Labour in the election? He's shown himself a far superior politician than Thornberry. He's won working class voters, whereas she's lost them. He's run a good campaign, but he's thick as mince. He's not thick in reality , do you consider the labour London elite intellectuals? Or just arrogant and stupid.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 7:31:41 GMT
Thornberry - “ People can slag me off, as long as it's true, I can take it on the chin. But they can't make up s*** about me - and if they do, I have to take it to the courts"
*CHINS
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 8:03:55 GMT
I'm pretty much in the minority but reckon the "Red wall" was demolished primarily because of Brexit.. About 70/30 brexit/corbyn Politics in the UK .. elections in particular have gone all "Presidential" That is the figure head personality is more important than the policy. Soundbites and a perceived electable character. Until Labour get them they have got no chance.
Labour picked up many more votes in 2017 because of Theresa's proposed 'dementia tax' in her disastrous snap election. Labour also shifted their position on brexit for last weeks GE very significantly to outright campaigning for Remain.
Go on tell him!
Over £3m more votes just because of May’s dementia tax debacle, really?
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 8:07:41 GMT
Labour picked up many more votes in 2017 because of Theresa's proposed 'dementia tax' in her disastrous snap election. Labour also shifted their position on brexit for last weeks GE very significantly to outright campaigning for Remain.
Go on tell him!
Over £3m more votes just because of May’s dementia tax debacle, really? Says more about the Lib Dem’s lost votes
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Post by lordb on Dec 17, 2019 8:16:56 GMT
Labour picked up many more votes in 2017 because of Theresa's proposed 'dementia tax' in her disastrous snap election. Labour also shifted their position on brexit for last weeks GE very significantly to outright campaigning for Remain.
Go on tell him!
Over £3m more votes just because of May’s dementia tax debacle, really? Shows how the Liberal vote has disappeared
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 9:07:50 GMT
Over £3m more votes just because of May’s dementia tax debacle, really? Says more about the Lib Dem’s lost votes I agree, but centrism took Labour down to 8.5 million votes in 2010, and left them fighting for scraps in Scotland. There is 100% an appetite for a socialist democratic government PROVIDING Labour get their shit together internally, those who insist Labour lurch to the right are way off the mark in my opinion. That's my point I guess. Neo-liberalism showed it's colours in 2008, I personally don't want to go down that path again......
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 17, 2019 9:11:20 GMT
Can Flint still go for the leadership if she wanted to, even though she's no longer an MP? I read somewhere that Boris could still have been PM even if he lost his seat. I just think Flint has the right values to lead Labour. She supported Boris's deal and has always said Brexit needs to happen, so she'd win respect from Labour voters. She could also stand up to Boris with classy poise. I don't think you can say she'd win support from Labour supporters, when she's just lost a seat she's had for 20 years and Labour have had for just shy of a 100 years. If Thornberry's accusation of stupid constituents can be directed anywhere, it's to Don Valley. Flint has always shown she wanted to support the democratic vote in Parliament. You'd have thought her constituents would've recognised that. Unless she was just a crap MP.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2019 9:12:40 GMT
Says more about the Lib Dem’s lost votes I agree, but centrism took Labour down to 8.5 million votes in 2010, and left them fighting for scraps in Scotland. There is 100% an appetite for a socialist democratic government PROVIDING Labour get their shit together internally, those who insist Labour lurch to the right are way off the mark in my opinion. That's my point I guess. Neo-liberalism showed it's colours in 2008, I personally don't want to go down that path again...... It was the crash and a need for change did for Brown
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Post by serpico on Dec 17, 2019 9:37:52 GMT
how to win elections in 2019
on economics lean left (lean, not fall over) lean right on culture.
Johnson hit both of these things and mopped up. Labour will be out of power until they have leaders who embrace British culture and move towards the centre-left.
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