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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 22:44:23 GMT
Our joke of a board would. Messing up big strategic decisions is what they excel at. That my friend is what I fear, the biggest gamble of the last three is the one that has to work or we are staring down the barrel of a very large gun, just what evidence they have used to base this appointment on is a total mystery to me, it looks like a total shot in the dark all on number seven croupier, for the founders of a betting company it's all very unnerving, would his daughter approve of this after all she obviously has the brains in the family ? A good analogy with the betting company owners comparison. Bizarre that making all your money out of gamblers and then you run a club taking blind punts. We really are a very strange outfit. I've said it before but we are heading for a documentary. And its not going to show us in a good light.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 8, 2019 22:45:25 GMT
Are you telling g me that in this day and age.. Michael rocked up Clsyron Wood not knowing the statistics and history of the squad.? No. Well.. The fucking Club wants putting into Administration and Michael wants a P45.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 22:46:25 GMT
Well.. The fucking Club wants putting into Administration and Michael wants a P45.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 22:47:06 GMT
Trouble is... we’ve been watching this shower of shit for some time MON hasn’t...... it’s weird I know, but he’s just finding out what the supporters already knew .... that the squad is an unbalanced shambles Problem here is Your asking Fans that have been ultra supportive and loyal to be patient whilst another assessment Of this dog shit squad takes place !!! He's just finding out!! Surely he must have done some due diligence on the Club? Surely we (the Club) should have given him some intelligence on the modus operandi..? Surely he must have known we are in the shit and had some semblance of refurbishment plan? Surely. How long do you think it would take to implement a 'refurbishment' plan? 10, 20 minutes? Some unbelievable stupidity shown by Stoke City supporters lately.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 22:50:46 GMT
You would imagine from the hype that he had prior knowledge of the squad before we employed him ! or is someone telling porkies again if not why did we employ a man with no prior knowledge of said so called squad ? that would make no sense at all would it ? a manager who has never managed in the English Leagues with no knowledge of the players he was taking charge of ! you just wouldn't take that risk would you ? What makes you think that O'Neill knew any less about the squad than of the other men touted for the job? Did Danny Cowley know all about Huddersfield's squad before he took that job? I didn't say all, I imagine he has more knowledge of the English football League than Mon naturally as he has managed in the English league prior to his appointment, I think we will be best placed to judge the merits of both appointments at the end of the season, as for the first question a manager who has had experience of managing club football in England would by the nature of the job have more experience of our squad than someone with no experience of managing in English football, who do you blame for the mess we find ourselves in the managers or the board of directors who have appointed them ?
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 8, 2019 22:54:02 GMT
He's just finding out!! Surely he must have done some due diligence on the Club? Surely we (the Club) should have given him some intelligence on the modus operandi..? Surely he must have known we are in the shit and had some semblance of refurbishment plan? Surely. How long do you think it would take to implement a 'refurbishment' plan? 10, 20 minutes? Some unbelievable stupidity shown by Stoke City supporters lately. I think the stupidity angle could be angled at Michael by leaving out one of the Championships best midfielders. Before you go hurling insults around make sure you've got a sound base.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 22:56:44 GMT
He's just finding out!! Surely he must have done some due diligence on the Club? Surely we (the Club) should have given him some intelligence on the modus operandi..? Surely he must have known we are in the shit and had some semblance of refurbishment plan? Surely. How long do you think it would take to implement a 'refurbishment' plan? 10, 20 minutes? Some unbelievable stupidity shown by Stoke City supporters lately. How long did it take Nathan to implement a destruction plan
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2019 22:57:18 GMT
What makes you think that O'Neill knew any less about the squad than of the other men touted for the job? Did Danny Cowley know all about Huddersfield's squad before he took that job? I didn't say all, I imagine he has more knowledge of the English football League than Mon naturally as he has managed in the English league prior to his appointment, I think we will be best placed to judge the merits of both appointments at the end of the season, as for the first question a manager who has had experience of managing club football in England would by the nature of the job have more experience of our squad than someone with no experience of managing in English football, who do you blame for the mess we find ourselves in the managers or the board of directors who have appointed them ? That's not the point you were making though is it? We all know that O'Neill has no experience as a Football League manager. Your point was that he may have had little or no knowledge of the players he was taking over. Which isn't the same thing is it?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 22:57:54 GMT
How long do you think it would take to implement a 'refurbishment' plan? 10, 20 minutes? Some unbelievable stupidity shown by Stoke City supporters lately. I think the stupidity angle could be angled at Michael by leaving out one of the Championships best midfielders. Before you go hurling insults around make sure you've got a sound base. You're calling out a manager after 5 games. Not sure that's any kind of base.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 22:57:59 GMT
Trouble is... we’ve been watching this shower of shit for some time MON hasn’t...... it’s weird I know, but he’s just finding out what the supporters already knew .... that the squad is an unbalanced shambles Problem here is Your asking Fans that have been ultra supportive and loyal to be patient whilst another assessment Of this dog shit squad takes place !!! He's just finding out!! Surely he must have done some due diligence on the Club? Surely we (the Club) should have given him some intelligence on the modus operandi..? Surely he must have known we are in the shit and had some semblance of refurbishment plan? Surely. Given the outside football world keep saying how we are underperforming given the quality of our squad I think O'Neill can be forgiven for thinking along those lines too....if he is. I bet the board still believe we have a squad good enough for promotion
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 8, 2019 23:02:23 GMT
I think the stupidity angle could be angled at Michael by leaving out one of the Championships best midfielders. Before you go hurling insults around make sure you've got a sound base. You're calling out a manager after 5 games. Not sure that's any kind of base. I "called out" Jones before he started so think I've got a base.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 8, 2019 23:04:40 GMT
I think the stupidity angle could be angled at Michael by leaving out one of the Championships best midfielders. Before you go hurling insults around make sure you've got a sound base. You're calling out a manager after 5 games. Not sure that's any kind of base. If we lose Tuesday night he's got to go. No issues.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2019 23:04:52 GMT
What the hell is going on with some of our supporters🙄he’s had 5 games FFS😡
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:06:33 GMT
What the hell is going on with some of our supporters🙄he’s had 5 games FFS😡 Smallthorner is a plum.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2019 23:07:19 GMT
What the hell is going on with some of our supporters🙄he’s had 5 games FFS😡 Smallthorner is a plum. He can only be on a wind up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:08:15 GMT
He can only be on a wind up He's still upset about Poolis not being appointed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:08:38 GMT
No, he doesn't. He could play nippy youngsters like Sorensen, Jarvis and others, or at least pick them from the bench, instead he chooses players that have already failed to deliver on a consistent basis over the last 12-18 months. Can you name me another manager who's taken over a struggling club with a first team squad considered too large and filled the team with untried youngsters? Pep Guardiola at Barcelona - though he was the kids' former youth manager. They were struggling when he was made senior manager - although not quite on the same level of shit that we are. Klopp at Mainz, similar story. Solskær at Manure. This list goes on and on.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2019 23:09:03 GMT
He can only be on a wind up He's still upset about Poolis not being appointed. Yes I’ve realised that looking back through his posts🤔
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 8, 2019 23:09:15 GMT
You're calling out a manager after 5 games. Not sure that's any kind of base. If we lose Tuesday night he's got to go. No issues. Seriously? Think you’ve got issues!
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 8, 2019 23:10:16 GMT
What the hell is going on with some of our supporters🙄he’s had 5 games FFS😡 Smallthorner is a plum. Cheers. If we lose Tuesday we are down under this manager. If we go down under this manager we will never come back. Plums are ok.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 8, 2019 23:11:20 GMT
If we lose Tuesday night he's got to go. No issues. Seriously? Think you’ve got issues! So are you prepared to let him try take us back up?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 23:12:11 GMT
You're calling out a manager after 5 games. Not sure that's any kind of base. I "called out" Jones before he started so think I've got a base. Fair enough we are all entitled to our views but calling a manager before he's even started isn't really great is it? I don't know. Surely even if we aren't happy with the appointment we have to give em a chance. I wanted Pulis before O'Neil. Not particularly because I thought he was the solution long term but I thought he had the relevant skills to get the club out of this mess in the short term. But I am still hoping beyond hope that O'Neil turns out to be an absolute superstar. Its not looking good after 3 losses on the spin but I am sticking with him. Partly because I think he is dealing with a situation that the club have made so much harder for him with their complete ineptness.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 23:12:26 GMT
I didn't say all, I imagine he has more knowledge of the English football League than Mon naturally as he has managed in the English league prior to his appointment, I think we will be best placed to judge the merits of both appointments at the end of the season, as for the first question a manager who has had experience of managing club football in England would by the nature of the job have more experience of our squad than someone with no experience of managing in English football, who do you blame for the mess we find ourselves in the managers or the board of directors who have appointed them ? That's not the point you were making though is it? We all know that O'Neill has no experience as a Football League manager. Your point was that he may have had little or no knowledge of the players he was taking over. Which isn't the same thing is it? Our board also knew he had no experience so why in your opinion did they go for him over other potential candidates that did ? what knowledge do you think he had on our players ? on paper do you think is this a sensible appointment ?
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 8, 2019 23:13:20 GMT
Trouble is... we’ve been watching this shower of shit for some time MON hasn’t...... it’s weird I know, but he’s just finding out what the supporters already knew .... that the squad is an unbalanced shambles Problem here is Your asking Fans that have been ultra supportive and loyal to be patient whilst another assessment Of this dog shit squad takes place !!! He's just finding out!!Surely he must have done some due diligence on the Club? Surely we (the Club) should have given him some intelligence on the modus operandi..? Surely he must have known we are in the shit and had some semblance of refurbishment plan? Surely. The usual mantra of a new manager taking over an organization is "everyone starts with a clean sheet, show me what you can do". A new manager would have no support from the dressing room, if he started on the basis of "the last manager thought you were crap so I'm not picking you" or "the fan MB think you are great so you are in". MON is playing players in their normal positions and giving them game time together so they build an understanding. Under Jones, they were played out of position, the formation changed every week often during matches, and the starting XI changed every match. Yesterday's starting XI was the same as beat Barnsley 4-2 apart from Vokes for Gregory, who hasn't been productive in terms of goals. Vokes scored and may have got more had the service from Ince, McClean, and Edwards been better. (I don't expect any service from Ward.) I stand by my earlier post, MON is trying to establish a regular team using players who will be here next February. Hopefully by then he will have sold his only saleable assets (and who want to leave), sent back the loanees, and bought better players to stop the goals against and improve the scoring. His is 5 games into his tenure and I don't expect to see significant improvement till the new year. If it doesn't happen then his appointment will have been another mistake, but it is far too early to conclude that yet.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 8, 2019 23:13:40 GMT
Seriously? Think you’ve got issues! So are you prepared to let him try take us back up? I’m commenting on the fact that you stated that lose Tuesday that MON must be sacked, nothing else. Absolutely ridiculous assertion
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:14:12 GMT
You're calling out a manager after 5 games. Not sure that's any kind of base. If we lose Tuesday night he's got to go. No issues. There are people on here who are trying to be objective, in that O'Neill has only been here 5 minutes, it isn't his fault but is making mistakes and deserves to be questioned as part of an ongoing assessment. I don't think you're helping with this.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Dec 8, 2019 23:14:54 GMT
What the hell is going on with some of our supporters🙄he’s had 5 games FFS😡 Sunderland supporters are calling for Phil Parkinson’s head after one month. Apparently MON has a magic wand to unpick 3 managers mistakes and the complacent Incompetence and inertia courtesy of the Coates family. It’s the Coates driving us on the rocks, perhaps they’re feeling nostalgic for the late 1990s.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 23:15:21 GMT
Can you name me another manager who's taken over a struggling club with a first team squad considered too large and filled the team with untried youngsters? Pep Guardiola at Barcelona - though he was the kids' former youth manager. They were struggling when he was made senior manager - although not quite on the same level of shit that we are. Klopp at Mainz, similar story. Solskær at Manure. This list goes on and on. Klopp was relegated with Mainz.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 8, 2019 23:17:35 GMT
Well.. The fucking Club wants putting into Administration and Michael wants a P45. So you think a licensed insolvency practitioner could run a football club better?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 8, 2019 23:19:28 GMT
Well.. The fucking Club wants putting into Administration and Michael wants a P45. So you think a licensed insolvency practitioner could run a football club better? Isn’t Scholes a qualified accountant...🤪
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