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Post by FrankButcher on Dec 9, 2019 0:29:44 GMT
I can take losing, what I can't take is lying down and having your belly tickled and not giving a fuck. Started that end of season game v Arsenal.I know we were poor after the Anfield semi but this was apalling to watch. Arsenal ffs, we never ever lay down for them. The rot then set in. This demise is well and truly criminal, god knows how we are getting back on the straight and narrow but its not with this crew! Hopefully we can stutter through to enough points to finish 20th, can't see it at the moment though. Gutless rudderless no energy no commitment no leadership no bollocks, and MON wants us to stay loyal.We've been nothing but loyal and patient with this shower of shit squad the fans have been brilliant for the most part and i don't blame those fans who were at Hull one bit for voicing their opinions as BenJi stated earlier in the thread the real culprit (Scholes) needs to be exposed get that tosser out of our club!
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Post by tosh on Dec 9, 2019 1:21:07 GMT
I can take losing, what I can't take is lying down and having your belly tickled and not giving a fuck. Started that end of season game v Arsenal.I know we were poor after the Anfield semi but this was apalling to watch. Arsenal ffs, we never ever lay down for them. The rot then set in. This demise is well and truly criminal, god knows how we are getting back on the straight and narrow but its not with this crew! Hopefully we can stutter through to enough points to finish 20th, can't see it at the moment though. Gutless rudderless no energy no commitment no leadership no bollocks, and MON wants us to stay loyal.We've been nothing but loyal and patient with this shower of shit squad the fans have been brilliant for the most part and i don't blame those fans who were at Hull one bit for voicing their opinions as BenJi stated earlier in the thread the real culprit (Scholes) needs to be exposed get that tosser out of our club! I was there yesterday and it was very depressing, how they caved in second half. However I did not at any time feel that they were not working hard for the manager. Even Ince was making a huge effort without admittedly too much success. I think it is more a case of a team full of players who lack pace and confidence and technique and are just not very good. They lack confidence because they now realise as individuals that they are part of a poor team that is not good enough to win matches against most of the opposition they come up against. We have filled the squad with plodders and no guile or match winners. It’s obviously not actually their fault that our previous managers adjudged that they were good enough, and persuaded them to sign for us often for silly money. Hopefully this manager is now just keeping everybody onside as far as possible, whilst he has no other options, and we will find out what he really thinks about the squad in January. As I said I was there on Saturday and I booed at the end. On reflection though I do understand why he has reacted by asking for support for the team. He is trying to find a winning formula, (which I hope after Saturday will now include Etebo and Ndaye) and there must be at least a small chance that with crowd support he can do that and keep us up. He must have realised that if we do start turning on the team whenever they go behind or make a mistake, our players confidence will shrink even further and the opposition will feed off that, and we will be guaranteeing more defeats and relegation, and turning the manager’s task from very difficult to impossible. I think that may be the choice facing us now. Support and hope we still have a chance of staying up or turn on them and guarantee failure. Let’s hope that they make the choice easier by giving us something to support, preferably starting tomorrow!
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Post by banx10 on Dec 9, 2019 1:44:10 GMT
If the whole squad & management buggered off tomorrow, would we shed a tear for any one of them?
Complete bunch of shite!
Though some of the youngsters could do something one day.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 9, 2019 9:19:04 GMT
look forward to your not fit to wear the suit ringing found the ground the ground this week when thEvreal culprit is identified snd exposed , bad news for O’Neil of it does as Rowett was dismissed he second the spotlight fell on the real culprit at Shrewsbury . You can't compare the situations, Rowett had been in the job for 7 months and had a fair few enemies within the club and a lot more outside. O'Neill has only been here for five games, 2 of which were won. He hasn't done a lot wrong, apart from dodgy selections. Not fit ringing around the ground applies to the players, not the manager, although he does pick those players, he's not responsible for their not really bothered attitude...yet. Seeing how long it took the board to move Jones on, it's inconceivable that they will sack a respected manager until the season is over. Let’s Wait and see if the hostility spotlight really falls on the boardroom and Scholes and results give him an excuse to “ lay the blame “ again nothing would surprise me
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 9, 2019 12:29:18 GMT
We've been nothing but loyal and patient with this shower of shit squad the fans have been brilliant for the most part and i don't blame those fans who were at Hull one bit for voicing their opinions as BenJi stated earlier in the thread the real culprit (Scholes) needs to be exposed get that tosser out of our club! I was there yesterday and it was very depressing, how they caved in second half. However I did not at any time feel that they were not working hard for the manager. Even Ince was making a huge effort without admittedly too much success. I think it is more a case of a team full of players who lack pace and confidence and technique and are just not very good. They lack confidence because they now realise as individuals that they are part of a poor team that is not good enough to win matches against most of the opposition they come up against. We have filled the squad with plodders and no guile or match winners. It’s obviously not actually their fault that our previous managers adjudged that they were good enough, and persuaded them to sign for us often for silly money. Hopefully this manager is now just keeping everybody onside as far as possible, whilst he has no other options, and we will find out what he really thinks about the squad in January. As I said I was there on Saturday and I booed at the end. On reflection though I do understand why he has reacted by asking for support for the team. He is trying to find a winning formula, (which I hope after Saturday will now include Etebo and Ndaye) and there must be at least a small chance that with crowd support he can do that and keep us up. He must have realised that if we do start turning on the team whenever they go behind or make a mistake, our players confidence will shrink even further and the opposition will feed off that, and we will be guaranteeing more defeats and relegation, and turning the manager’s task from very difficult to impossible. I think that may be the choice facing us now. Support and hope we still have a chance of staying up or turn on them and guarantee failure. Let’s hope that they make the choice easier by giving us something to support, preferably starting tomorrow! I think there is a lot of wisdom and correct analysis in your post. With the odd exception, I don't think lack of effort is the problem. I'm sure the players were as unhappy as we were at the end. No player signs themselves, chooses their own salary level or picks themselves. You are right that we lack pace and creativity. Confidence is a fragile thing in football. Losing and winning can both become habits. We have a number of players who for whatever reason are not performing at the level they have shown previously, either at Stoke or elsewhere. Hopefully the manager can address that, either by getting those levels back or by letting them go. I was very surprised that there was only one change from the Blackburn team, given the performance in that game and the number of options the manager has. It will be very interesting to see which team he selects tomorrow night. I will be very surprised if there are not a number of changes after the last two games. I will carry on going. Now in my 6th decade of doing so, it's too late to stop now ! I didn't boo or chant at the end on Saturday because I think that if it has any effect at all, it probably just makes things worse.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 9, 2019 12:33:49 GMT
Is singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ to players who aren’t fit to wear the shirt wrong? 🤔
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 9, 2019 12:54:04 GMT
Is singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ to players who aren’t fit to wear the shirt wrong? 🤔 It's not "wrong" in the sense that fans have a perfect right to sing it if they so wish. I didn't and wouldn't sing it because personally, I think that if it has any effect at all, it's more likely to erode confidence even further, but maybe pros or ex-pros are better placed to comment on whether I'm right on that.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 9, 2019 12:57:31 GMT
Is singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ to players who aren’t fit to wear the shirt wrong? 🤔 It's not "wrong" in the sense that fans have a perfect right to sing it if they so wish. I didn't and wouldn't sing it because personally, I think that if it has any effect at all, it's more likely to erode confidence even further, but maybe pros or ex-pros are better placed to comment on whether I'm right on that. Sure, that’s obviously the most counter productive thing to do. Also I’m with you, I never, through even the worst of times, have booed a Stoke side. But we don’t think with our heads when we are there because we love the club. To see them surrender like cowards on a weekly basis will surely cause knee jerk reactions. So I can completely understand why they do it.
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Post by boothenender on Dec 9, 2019 13:40:00 GMT
If it needs to be said just say it. They are not fit too wear the famous red and white stripes of Stoke City. They are a pile of shit and no one can deny it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 13:32:17 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 10, 2019 14:52:20 GMT
Is singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ to players who aren’t fit to wear the shirt wrong? 🤔 It's not "wrong" in the sense that fans have a perfect right to sing it if they so wish. I didn't and wouldn't sing it because personally, I think that if it has any effect at all, it's more likely to erode confidence even further, but maybe pros or ex-pros are better placed to comment on whether I'm right on that. A bit tangential this but I was watching an old video of you dancing with Princess Margaret at Keele Students Union in the late 1960s, Malcolm. The Princess was a good dancer. 😁
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 10, 2019 15:03:41 GMT
Is singing ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ to players who aren’t fit to wear the shirt wrong? 🤔 Maybe you're not fit to take our cash would be better.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 10, 2019 15:30:41 GMT
We've been nothing but loyal and patient with this shower of shit squad the fans have been brilliant for the most part and i don't blame those fans who were at Hull one bit for voicing their opinions as BenJi stated earlier in the thread the real culprit (Scholes) needs to be exposed get that tosser out of our club! I was there yesterday and it was very depressing, how they caved in second half. However I did not at any time feel that they were not working hard for the manager. Even Ince was making a huge effort without admittedly too much success. I think it is more a case of a team full of players who lack pace and confidence and technique and are just not very good. They lack confidence because they now realise as individuals that they are part of a poor team that is not good enough to win matches against most of the opposition they come up against. We have filled the squad with plodders and no guile or match winners. It’s obviously not actually their fault that our previous managers adjudged that they were good enough, and persuaded them to sign for us often for silly money. Hopefully this manager is now just keeping everybody onside as far as possible, whilst he has no other options, and we will find out what he really thinks about the squad in January. As I said I was there on Saturday and I booed at the end. On reflection though I do understand why he has reacted by asking for support for the team. He is trying to find a winning formula, (which I hope after Saturday will now include Etebo and Ndaye) and there must be at least a small chance that with crowd support he can do that and keep us up. He must have realised that if we do start turning on the team whenever they go behind or make a mistake, our players confidence will shrink even further and the opposition will feed off that, and we will be guaranteeing more defeats and relegation, and turning the manager’s task from very difficult to impossible. I think that may be the choice facing us now. Support and hope we still have a chance of staying up or turn on them and guarantee failure. Let’s hope that they make the choice easier by giving us something to support, preferably starting tomorrow! It's easy to support a team that's winning - just look at Chelsea, Man City or now Liverpool. I always thought that Stokies stood by their team through thick and (mostly) thin no matter how bad it got. Looks like success (9th is success in Stoke terms) has spoilked us.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 10, 2019 15:47:13 GMT
It's not "wrong" in the sense that fans have a perfect right to sing it if they so wish. I didn't and wouldn't sing it because personally, I think that if it has any effect at all, it's more likely to erode confidence even further, but maybe pros or ex-pros are better placed to comment on whether I'm right on that. A bit tangential this but I was watching an old video of you dancing with Princess Margaret at Keele Students Union in the late 1960s, Malcolm. The Princess was a good dancer. 😁 I know - a bit embarrassing, wasn't I ? And as for the length of my hair............… The tradition was that the President had the first dance. After desperate failed attempts to teach me to waltz we had a strategy of keeping her in the bar ( not hard ! ) until the dance band had been replaced by a pop band. That worked fine until I took her onto the dance floor and she said " I only do the bunny hop" ( whatever that was ??? ) and immediately draped her arms around my neck. . I'm 6 feet 4 and she was tiny so she was looking more or less into my navel. I then proceeded to kick her shins all round the ballroom . The 'New Statesman' had a piece about it which described me as " a man of many parts, clumsily assembled" . Happy days !
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 10, 2019 15:55:43 GMT
A bit tangential this but I was watching an old video of you dancing with Princess Margaret at Keele Students Union in the late 1960s, Malcolm. The Princess was a good dancer. 😁 I know - a bit embarrassing, wasn't I ? And as for the length of my hair............… The tradition was that the President had the first dance. After desperate failed attempts to teach me to waltz we had a strategy of keeping her in the bar ( not hard ! ) until the dance band had been replaced by a pop band. That worked fine until I took her onto the dance floor and she said " I only do the bunny hop" ( whatever that was ??? ) and immediately draped her arms around my neck. . I'm 6 feet 4 and she was tiny so she was looking more or less into my navel. I then proceeded to kick her shins all round the ballroom . The 'New Statesman' had a piece about it which described me as " a man of many parts, clumsily assembled" . Happy days ! Great story for the grand kids that one. Dancing with Royalty!!
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Dec 10, 2019 16:01:38 GMT
Full spectrum of opinions on this thread, but I struggle to buy into the view that these players simply arent good enough to compete at this level. Yes, we're lacking pace (felt the need to loan our young pacey winger out, refusing to play the only strikers we have with pace) but there are so many examples of players simply not doing the basics. Not marking correctly, not tracking runners, not working off the ball to find space.
I'm sure plenty will disagree, but for me that smacks of being complacent and lazy.
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Post by dioufsboots on Dec 10, 2019 16:10:20 GMT
This is the point its got to,they have been under performing for far to long many times the fans have give it there all to get behind them with no return
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 10, 2019 16:10:43 GMT
A bit tangential this but I was watching an old video of you dancing with Princess Margaret at Keele Students Union in the late 1960s, Malcolm. The Princess was a good dancer. 😁 I know - a bit embarrassing, wasn't I ? And as for the length of my hair............… The tradition was that the President had the first dance. After desperate failed attempts to teach me to waltz we had a strategy of keeping her in the bar ( not hard ! ) until the dance band had been replaced by a pop band. That worked fine until I took her onto the dance floor and she said " I only do the bunny hop" ( whatever that was ??? ) and immediately draped her arms around my neck. . I'm 6 feet 4 and she was tiny so she was looking more or less into my navel. I then proceeded to kick her shins all round the ballroom . The 'New Statesman' had a piece about it which described me as " a man of many parts, clumsily assembled" . Happy days ! Pity your dancing hadn't been better, Malcolm. If it had been better, Princess Margaret might not have fallen for the divorced Group Captain Peter Townsend - on the rebound from you. And if she hadn't fallen for Peter Townsend and upset the Royal Family and the government of the day, she might not have married Anthony Armstong Jones on the rebound from Peter Townsend - and the extended Royal Family would have been very different to what it is - and might even have had you as a member! Who knows, in a parallel universe - all this may actually have come to pass - and the bet365 stadium may have "by Royal Appointment" under its name.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 10, 2019 16:59:02 GMT
Full spectrum of opinions on this thread, but I struggle to buy into the view that these players simply arent good enough to compete at this level. Yes, we're lacking pace (felt the need to loan our young pacey winger out, refusing to play the only strikers we have with pace) but there are so many examples of players simply not doing the basics. Not marking correctly, not tracking runners, not working off the ball to find space. I'm sure plenty will disagree, but for me that smacks of being complacent and lazy. That's where I'm at, it's a massive case of couldn'tgiveashititis
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 10, 2019 18:43:20 GMT
A bit tangential this but I was watching an old video of you dancing with Princess Margaret at Keele Students Union in the late 1960s, Malcolm. The Princess was a good dancer. 😁 I know - a bit embarrassing, wasn't I ? And as for the length of my hair............… The tradition was that the President had the first dance. After desperate failed attempts to teach me to waltz we had a strategy of keeping her in the bar ( not hard ! ) until the dance band had been replaced by a pop band. That worked fine until I took her onto the dance floor and she said " I only do the bunny hop" ( whatever that was ??? ) and immediately draped her arms around my neck. . I'm 6 feet 4 and she was tiny so she was looking more or less into my navel. I then proceeded to kick her shins all round the ballroom . The 'New Statesman' had a piece about it which described me as " a man of many parts, clumsily assembled" . Happy days ! Yes, you did like you were giving HRH a kicking but she seemed to be enjoying it I once had a drink with Howard Marks up Keele Uni..same height and not dissimilar looking to you Malcolm. Fascinating character.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 19:42:34 GMT
Singing your not fit to wear the shirt is fully justified to them bunch of bottling wankers. Buck your ideas up lads or get used to that shout
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 10, 2019 19:58:06 GMT
It's not "wrong" in the sense that fans have a perfect right to sing it if they so wish. I didn't and wouldn't sing it because personally, I think that if it has any effect at all, it's more likely to erode confidence even further, but maybe pros or ex-pros are better placed to comment on whether I'm right on that. Sure, that’s obviously the most counter productive thing to do. Also I’m with you, I never, through even the worst of times, have booed a Stoke side. But we don’t think with our heads when we are there because we love the club. To see them surrender like cowards on a weekly basis will surely cause knee jerk reactions. So I can completely understand why they do it. If the shit is week in, week out, then the booing etc isn't a knee-jerk. It'd be a knee jerk if tempers ran over after one abjectly wank display. The "knee-jerk" implies wildly unfair and reactionary behaviour in the immediacy of something. This is the final gangrenous throes of a festering sore that's been kept filthy for years.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 10, 2019 21:19:06 GMT
Sure, that’s obviously the most counter productive thing to do. Also I’m with you, I never, through even the worst of times, have booed a Stoke side. But we don’t think with our heads when we are there because we love the club. To see them surrender like cowards on a weekly basis will surely cause knee jerk reactions. So I can completely understand why they do it. If the shit is week in, week out, then the booing etc isn't a knee-jerk. It'd be a knee jerk if tempers ran over after one abjectly wank display. The "knee-jerk" implies wildly unfair and reactionary behaviour in the immediacy of something. This is the final gangrenous throes of a festering sore that's been kept filthy for years. Just looking at each display as they come. If you’re still mad on a Saturday a week after the last shit display you need a hobby!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 10, 2019 22:21:24 GMT
The booing is working - look at how hard they're trying so they can celebrate by cupping their ears!
Fans need to keep it up, so the players keep it up.
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 10, 2019 22:30:43 GMT
Looks like it might have needled a few players and got them to react.
Good.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 10, 2019 22:37:54 GMT
Yep, seems to have done the trick, hit home. For a game or 2 anyway
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 22:41:47 GMT
The sight of them running around with their 30k a week pay packets, sat comfortably in the bottom three, cupping their ears because they've finally had some long overdue stick particularly tickled me.
They are so far out of touch with the working class folk of Stoke it's unreal.
People would have had to really graft to afford to go to Hull and they expect to get away with that performance?
What is it, scored more than 2 goals twice in about 3 years? You absolute heroes.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2019 22:54:09 GMT
The sight of them running around with their 30k a week pay packets, sat comfortably in the bottom three, cupping their ears because they've finally had some long overdue stick particularly tickled me. They are so far out of touch with the working class folk of Stoke it's unreal. People would have had to really graft to afford to go to Hull and they expect to get away with that performance? What is it, scored more than 2 goals twice in about 3 years? You absolute heroes. Our super inspired management decided they get paid the same for both performances , it’s no excuse but it can’t be right in professional support that results have no benefit and failure no penalty
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Post by onionman on Dec 10, 2019 22:58:31 GMT
Who will be first player to gloat that they’ve proved the fans wrong?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 10, 2019 23:00:44 GMT
Allen said literally a month ago he couldn’t understand how hard it has been for the fans to have gone through the last few years.
If that’s the case, and he cares so much. Wtf is he playing at?
Cup your ear, don’t cup your ear, but at least be fucking consistent while you’re at it.
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