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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 2:17:41 GMT
This is extremely annoying, especially the cunts making tenuous links between this and Stoke-On-Trent being a brexit supporting city. Just political nonsense that has absolutely fuck all to do with our (thank god) nonpolitical football club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 7:18:52 GMT
I think what he's saying is both the players pictured are black and Stoke have intentionally used 2 black players to advertise black Friday,which could be seen as racist if you were the kind of person looking to be offended. However to my eyes Danny Batth is as black as Jon Walters.I had no idea he was half Indian. I don't believe for a second they used these 2 in the way Campbell suggests.
Ironically if they'd intentionally used 2 white players so as not to be seen as being racist then that would actually be racist
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 6, 2019 7:20:25 GMT
It is factually not racist, so therefore him claiming Stoke are being racist is slander. Is it not? To me it's simple get the best Lawers money can buy give him a chance to fully retract with appropriate apology Or take him for every penny possible and give the money to charities fighting modern slavery
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 6, 2019 9:31:03 GMT
He clearly hasn't got the balls to apologise.
What a shame
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 9:46:33 GMT
He clearly hasn't got the balls to apologise. What a shame It's more than a shame. It's a disgrace. Criticise the owners for helping us into this current mess by all means but please don't slur the club they own for racism, when they are clearly anything but racists.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 6, 2019 9:48:02 GMT
Black Friday in no way refers to black people, and all but dickheads know this!
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 6, 2019 10:10:26 GMT
I think Campbell is being over sensitive to this but I can also understand that as a player he probably suffered a lot of racism and wants to protect his son from the same. He is being totally over the top and I am in no way agreeing with him but most of us don't know the back story. His son isn't progressing as he would have hoped so you start looking for excuses and play the racism card. I also think there is a lot of institutionalised racism which we as white people don't always see. If you look as a black person at the players who are not in Stoke's team at the moment what do you see? Perhaps they are not in the team for valid reasons but you can see why there might be an alternative view.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 6, 2019 10:17:54 GMT
What a clown. Sums up the state of modern day society when folks can seem this as racist.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2019 10:30:22 GMT
I think Campbell is being over sensitive to this but I can also understand that as a player he probably suffered a lot of racism and wants to protect his son from the same. He is being totally over the top and I am in no way agreeing with him but most of us don't know the back story. His son isn't progressing as he would have hoped so you start looking for excuses and play the racism card. I also think there is a lot of institutionalised racism which we as white people don't always see. If you look as a black person at the players who are not in Stoke's team at the moment what do you see? Perhaps they are not in the team for valid reasons but you can see why there might be an alternative view. Seriously? Badou, etebo, campbell are out of the side but BMI, Diouf and ince are very much in it yet somehow, if you look hard enough, you can see racism at play? Seriously? Campbell is wrong. Plain and simple and he should be apologising. There is no excuse. No underlying reason as to why he can be given the benefit of the doubt. The only disgrace in this instance is kevin campbell himself.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 6, 2019 10:39:18 GMT
Diouf is not in the team at the moment and nobody has explained his strange absence from the squad even down to no squad number under Jones. I'm not agreeing with Campbell just trying to show empathy. Sometimes when you try to put yourself in the other person's shoes you can understand why they behave and feel as they do even if they are misguided. A general problem at the moment in society in general I feel is that nobody tries to understand where someone with a different opinion is coming from and there is no effort to feel sympathy for their situation.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 6, 2019 10:39:51 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-transfer-news-racism-campbell-3615089Are these the real reasons for the Kevin Campbell racist furore against Stoke City? There is a suspicion that the original tweet, too foul-mouthed to repeat here, was posted by someone known to Campbell and that then gave him the green light to comment and so attract far more attention because he’s Tyrese’s dad and a former Arsenal and Everton striker with a media presence.
Some have also said that the screen grab of the Instagram advert was taken some days ago, so why wait until yesterday evening to highlight it?
And of greater significance to Stoke City, is this an attempt to expedite Campbell junior’s move out of Stoke City?
Possibly as early as the January window, rather than waiting until he is out of contract in the summer.
Perhaps the person to feel for most in all of this is Tyrese himself.
Not 20 until the end of this month, the lad is trying to make his way in the game, a difficult enough task, without others throwing an unfortunate spotlight his way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2019 10:40:01 GMT
I think Campbell is being over sensitive to this but I can also understand that as a player he probably suffered a lot of racism and wants to protect his son from the same. He is being totally over the top and I am in no way agreeing with him but most of us don't know the back story. His son isn't progressing as he would have hoped so you start looking for excuses and play the racism card. I also think there is a lot of institutionalised racism which we as white people don't always see. If you look as a black person at the players who are not in Stoke's team at the moment what do you see? Perhaps they are not in the team for valid reasons but you can see why there might be an alternative view. I don’t see skin colour. I don’t get why you would.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 6, 2019 10:40:13 GMT
Also I find it difficult to understand the Badou, Etebo omissions.
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Post by block23 on Dec 6, 2019 10:41:33 GMT
I think Campbell is being over sensitive to this but I can also understand that as a player he probably suffered a lot of racism and wants to protect his son from the same. He is being totally over the top and I am in no way agreeing with him but most of us don't know the back story. His son isn't progressing as he would have hoped so you start looking for excuses and play the racism card. I also think there is a lot of institutionalised racism which we as white people don't always see. If you look as a black person at the players who are not in Stoke's team at the moment what do you see? Perhaps they are not in the team for valid reasons but you can see why there might be an alternative view. Sorry mate, but your post is absolute twaddle. Go wobble your head and read it again, and if you still think it is correct I genuinely feel sorry for you
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 6, 2019 10:41:45 GMT
Racism is not about not seeing skin colour and it's a stupid comment to say you don't notice it. It's like saying you don't notice people have red hair.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 6, 2019 10:44:12 GMT
I think Campbell is being over sensitive to this but I can also understand that as a player he probably suffered a lot of racism and wants to protect his son from the same. He is being totally over the top and I am in no way agreeing with him but most of us don't know the back story. His son isn't progressing as he would have hoped so you start looking for excuses and play the racism card. I also think there is a lot of institutionalised racism which we as white people don't always see. If you look as a black person at the players who are not in Stoke's team at the moment what do you see? Perhaps they are not in the team for valid reasons but you can see why there might be an alternative view. Sorry mate, but your post is absolute twaddle. Go wobble your head and read it again, and if you still think it is correct I genuinely feel sorry for you I don' t mind you saying that but please explain your opinion rather than just saying I'm wrong. Which part is wrong? If you can read my post again and answer my question I will try to explain why I wrote it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2019 10:45:11 GMT
Racism is not about not seeing skin colour and it's a stupid comment to say you don't notice it. It's like saying you don't notice people have red hair. Why is it stupid? It’s how life should be, it’s not a consideration, a thought etc. To see racism in that advert or to even think the team selection is racist is well to me, a bit racist. I don’t get it.
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 6, 2019 10:48:09 GMT
Sell him in January.
Not because that is clearly what kevin would like but because it's becoming obvious no extension will be signed so cash in on him whilst there is still some value and remove what is becoming a disruptive nuisance.
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Post by block23 on Dec 6, 2019 10:50:50 GMT
Sorry mate, but your post is absolute twaddle. Go wobble your head and read it again, and if you still think it is correct I genuinely feel sorry for you I don' t mind you saying that but please explain your opinion rather than just saying I'm wrong. Which part is wrong? If you can read my post again and answer my question I will try to explain why I wrote it. Sorry mate, I haven’t got the time today, and most of the answers lie within this thread. As a person who has friends and colleagues of all races, genders, sexual orientation etc., I know that many of them despise the type of points you make as they belittle the true inequalities that exist and really affect people.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 6, 2019 10:52:36 GMT
Stoke should be instructing lawyers in relation to the initial tweet by Campbells' pal.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 6, 2019 11:11:08 GMT
Racism is not about not seeing skin colour and it's a stupid comment to say you don't notice it. It's like saying you don't notice people have red hair. Why is it stupid? It’s how life should be, it’s not a consideration, a thought etc. To see racism in that advert or to even think the team selection is racist is well to me, a bit racist. I don’t get it. I did not see racism in that advert at all and I have said that Campbell is wrong to see it but I am white and he is black. I've noticed that but I wouldn't treat him any differently because of that. I appreciate though that different people have different views and I always try to understand why their view is different from mine.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 6, 2019 11:16:21 GMT
I don' t mind you saying that but please explain your opinion rather than just saying I'm wrong. Which part is wrong? If you can read my post again and answer my question I will try to explain why I wrote it. Sorry mate, I haven’t got the time today, and most of the answers lie within this thread. As a person who has friends and colleagues of all races, genders, sexual orientation etc., I know that many of them despise the type of points you make as they belittle the true inequalities that exist and really affect people. I have not said though that he is right. I do not think any racism was intended. However I have no idea why it is called Black Friday and no idea whether some people of a different ethnicity from me (not all by the way) are offended by the title. I am just trying to understand where Campbell is coming from not saying that his son and others are not in the team because of their race. I like you have friends of different backgrounds
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 6, 2019 11:21:20 GMT
Racism is not about not seeing skin colour and it's a stupid comment to say you don't notice it. It's like saying you don't notice people have red hair. Why is it stupid? It’s how life should be, it’s not a consideration, a thought etc. To see racism in that advert or to even think the team selection is racist is well to me, a bit racist. I don’t get it. I know I'm going to find this really difficult to explain on a messageboard but I'll give it a go and hope it comes across as I intend. My grandad came over to the UK after the war from Burma. As a skin colour, you'd describe him as being black for sure. At that time, he came to Stoke on Trent and married a local white woman, my gran. In the early years he suffered all kinds of racism, had to take 3 menial jobs to provide for his family when back home he'd been a medic in the army. He was very intelligent man and he battled through the adversity and went on, prior to retirement, to be the Chief Education Officer for Staffordshire. His kids, though not black in the way my Grandad was, are certainly not white which means my dad is certainly not white. We were bought up to be aware of the various things associated with racism and I believe that as a family we are welcoming to all races, creeds, religions and colours. I am. My cousin, who is also one of my best mates, certainly is. Our children are. When I was around 11 years old, I got into a fight with one of my older cousins. It was quite a bad fight and we kicked 7 bells of shit out of each other. We obviously got into trouble. I took the punishment on the chin and apologised even though I hadn't started the fight. My cousin didn't and said I'd called him the "N" word. I came worse off in the fight and he was trying to get himself out of trouble. I most certainly hadn't. My dad took his side and we had an almighty row. He simply wouldn't believe that I would never, ever utter such a word and our relationship, being brutally honest on an open forum, has never been the same since to the extent that I had very little to do with him between the ages of 11 and 15 and haven't seen him at all for the best part of 4 years. The fact that we are what we are as a family means that I could never really forgive him for not believing me over something so serious and it has impacted on my own life ever since. When I looked at that image, all jokes aside (about being offended by them picking two crap players) I can honestly say that I didn't see a person of colour. I saw a Stoke City player celebrating a rare win in a Stoke City coat that was included in the club shop sale. No more, no less. My youngest boy has just come back from Lithuania having been away with Man City and he spent most of his time off the pitch with his 2 mates in the team, both of whom are black boys. He doesn't see colour of skin. He sees his teammates and his friends. When I meet people through my extensive work travels, I don't see blacks or whites, European or Chinese. I see people and I treat those people exactly the same whether it happens to be the cleaner in the factory or the MD of the business. If you look at that advert for Black Friday from Stoke and many other clubs (I've highlighted similar campaigns from Everton, Middlesborough, Crewe Alex and others) and see racism I actually think it says more about the person seeing it than it does the people that created the ad in the first place. Stoke are guilty of not seeing creed or colour in promoting their commercial activities and Kevin Campbell is nothing short of an absolute disgrace. He saw a snapshot of something, reacted badly, continued to dig a bigger hole for himself and his ego is too big to allow him to apologise. If the whole world didn't see colour of skin when looking at a person, as Stoke have done, as I do, as my kids do, as Bayern seemingly does, the world would be a far better place for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 11:33:46 GMT
Just a thought, would daddy Campbell be so annoyed if junior were to score a hatrick and the headline was black magic ? That's a reference to a chocolate box for those who don't know
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Post by midfielder on Dec 6, 2019 11:43:07 GMT
Why is it stupid? It’s how life should be, it’s not a consideration, a thought etc. To see racism in that advert or to even think the team selection is racist is well to me, a bit racist. I don’t get it. I know I'm going to find this really difficult to explain on a messageboard but I'll give it a go and hope it comes across as I intend. My grandad came over to the UK after the war from Burma. As a skin colour, you'd describe him as being black for sure. At that time, he came to Stoke on Trent and married a local white woman, my gran. In the early years he suffered all kinds of racism, had to take 3 menial jobs to provide for his family when back home he'd been a medic in the army. He was very intelligent man and he battled through the adversity and went on, prior to retirement, to be the Chief Education Officer for Staffordshire. His kids, though not black in the way my Grandad was, are certainly not white which means my dad is certainly not white. We were bought up to be aware of the various things associated with racism and I believe that as a family we are welcoming to all races, creeds, religions and colours. I am. My cousin, who is also one of my best mates, certainly is. Our children are. When I was around 11 years old, I got into a fight with one of my older cousins. It was quite a bad fight and we kicked 7 bells of shit out of each other. We obviously got into trouble. I took the punishment on the chin and apologised even though I hadn't started the fight. My cousin didn't and said I'd called him the "N" word. I came worse off in the fight and he was trying to get himself out of trouble. I most certainly hadn't. My dad took his side and we had an almighty row. He simply wouldn't believe that I would never, ever utter such a word and our relationship, being brutally honest on an open forum, has never been the same since to the extent that I had very little to do with him between the ages of 11 and 15 and haven't seen him at all for the best part of 4 years. The fact that we are what we are as a family means that I could never really forgive him for not believing me over something so serious and it has impacted on my own life ever since. When I looked at that image, all jokes aside (about being offended by them picking two crap players) I can honestly say that I didn't see a person of colour. I saw a Stoke City player celebrating a rare win in a Stoke City coat that was included in the club shop sale. No more, no less. My youngest boy has just come back from Lithuania having been away with Man City and he spent most of his time off the pitch with his 2 mates in the team, both of whom are black boys. He doesn't see colour of skin. He sees his teammates and his friends. When I meet people through my extensive work travels, I don't see blacks or whites, European or Chinese. I see people and I treat those people exactly the same whether it happens to be the cleaner in the factory or the MD of the business. If you look at that advert for Black Friday from Stoke and many other clubs (I've highlighted similar campaigns from Everton, Middlesborough, Crewe Alex and others) and see racism I actually think it says more about the person seeing it than it does the people that created the ad in the first place. Stoke are guilty of not seeing creed or colour in promoting their commercial activities and Kevin Campbell is nothing short of an absolute disgrace. He saw a snapshot of something, reacted badly, continued to dig a bigger hole for himself and his ego is too big to allow him to apologise. If the whole world didn't see colour of skin when looking at a person, as Stoke have done, as I do, as my kids do, as Bayern seemingly does, the world would be a far better place for it. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 One of the best posts I’ve read on this forum. If it’s not a ooorly disguised attempt to engineer a move for his son then it’s a shocking example of a blinkered outlook on the world we live in, very sad if that’s the case and a huge huge huge shame for the boy who shows so much promise but is stuttering. I wonder if the cupped hands to ears celebration when he scored his very first league goal for us now makes more sense (always thought that was an incredibly sad way to toast what should be an incredibly memorable moment for the kid). Sadly all combined I can only see it ending in a career in League 2 at best if something doesn’t change soon
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 6, 2019 11:54:14 GMT
Kev now saying that Batth isn't white either which opens up a whole can of John Walters! Seriously he should shut the fuck up. There's a lot wrong with the club at present but being racist in any way isn't one of them. A disgraceful slur against the club and his son's employers. Fucking idiot. Amen to that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 12:14:46 GMT
At an away game once, Kev jumped in our black cab when we opened the door for him, to let him in out of the rain.
He didn’t contribute a penny to the fare. Says all you need to know about him.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 6, 2019 12:15:59 GMT
What a clown. Sums up the state of modern day society when folks can seem this as racist. I, for one, don’t think it does at all. He’s got it wrong and made a fool of himself - something he can do without any reference to race at all but to say this “sums up the state of modern society “ is just wrong. It’s a mistaken act by an individual and , yes there are other examples , but we have a far healthier attitude to racial issues in general today than we have in the past and seizing on incidents like this should not detract from the overall progress that has been made.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 6, 2019 12:30:21 GMT
Just a thought, would daddy Campbell be so annoyed if junior were to score a hatrick and the headline was black magic ? That's a reference to a chocolate box for those who don't know Don't be stupid.
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Post by block23 on Dec 6, 2019 12:35:07 GMT
Why is it stupid? It’s how life should be, it’s not a consideration, a thought etc. To see racism in that advert or to even think the team selection is racist is well to me, a bit racist. I don’t get it. I know I'm going to find this really difficult to explain on a messageboard but I'll give it a go and hope it comes across as I intend. My grandad came over to the UK after the war from Burma. As a skin colour, you'd describe him as being black for sure. At that time, he came to Stoke on Trent and married a local white woman, my gran. In the early years he suffered all kinds of racism, had to take 3 menial jobs to provide for his family when back home he'd been a medic in the army. He was very intelligent man and he battled through the adversity and went on, prior to retirement, to be the Chief Education Officer for Staffordshire. His kids, though not black in the way my Grandad was, are certainly not white which means my dad is certainly not white. We were bought up to be aware of the various things associated with racism and I believe that as a family we are welcoming to all races, creeds, religions and colours. I am. My cousin, who is also one of my best mates, certainly is. Our children are. When I was around 11 years old, I got into a fight with one of my older cousins. It was quite a bad fight and we kicked 7 bells of shit out of each other. We obviously got into trouble. I took the punishment on the chin and apologised even though I hadn't started the fight. My cousin didn't and said I'd called him the "N" word. I came worse off in the fight and he was trying to get himself out of trouble. I most certainly hadn't. My dad took his side and we had an almighty row. He simply wouldn't believe that I would never, ever utter such a word and our relationship, being brutally honest on an open forum, has never been the same since to the extent that I had very little to do with him between the ages of 11 and 15 and haven't seen him at all for the best part of 4 years. The fact that we are what we are as a family means that I could never really forgive him for not believing me over something so serious and it has impacted on my own life ever since. When I looked at that image, all jokes aside (about being offended by them picking two crap players) I can honestly say that I didn't see a person of colour. I saw a Stoke City player celebrating a rare win in a Stoke City coat that was included in the club shop sale. No more, no less. My youngest boy has just come back from Lithuania having been away with Man City and he spent most of his time off the pitch with his 2 mates in the team, both of whom are black boys. He doesn't see colour of skin. He sees his teammates and his friends. When I meet people through my extensive work travels, I don't see blacks or whites, European or Chinese. I see people and I treat those people exactly the same whether it happens to be the cleaner in the factory or the MD of the business. If you look at that advert for Black Friday from Stoke and many other clubs (I've highlighted similar campaigns from Everton, Middlesborough, Crewe Alex and others) and see racism I actually think it says more about the person seeing it than it does the people that created the ad in the first place. Stoke are guilty of not seeing creed or colour in promoting their commercial activities and Kevin Campbell is nothing short of an absolute disgrace. He saw a snapshot of something, reacted badly, continued to dig a bigger hole for himself and his ego is too big to allow him to apologise. If the whole world didn't see colour of skin when looking at a person, as Stoke have done, as I do, as my kids do, as Bayern seemingly does, the world would be a far better place for it. Spot on, an excellent post. Articulated my thoughts far better than I could have done
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