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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 2, 2019 20:42:32 GMT
This is the combined transfer value of Tonight’s PNE side facing WBA. Our combined transfer fees for the starting xi on Saturday was £50Million+ . What is the fundamental problem @ SCFC? How does our Chief Exec still have a job?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 20:43:57 GMT
This is the combined transfer value of Tonight’s PNE side facing WBA. Our combined transfer fees for the starting xi on Saturday was £50Million+ . What is the fundamental problem @ SCFC? How does our Chief Exec still have a job? John Coates
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Post by DentySCFC on Dec 2, 2019 20:48:30 GMT
This is the combined transfer value of Tonight’s PNE side facing WBA. Our combined transfer fees for the starting xi on Saturday was £50Million+ . What is the fundamental problem @ SCFC? How does our Chief Exec still have a job? £62m 🤮
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 2, 2019 20:48:42 GMT
This is the combined transfer value of Tonight’s PNE side facing WBA. Our combined transfer fees for the starting xi on Saturday was £50Million+ . What is the fundamental problem @ SCFC? How does our Chief Exec still have a job? Nothing wrong with the process, what's all the fuss about, best squad we have ever had, three fourth place finishes, we follow due diligence, watch every potential signing 25 times, employ a manager on the recommendation of an ex Bet 365 employee and on and on what a monumental fuck up from the clowns in charge.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 2, 2019 20:50:36 GMT
When you say it as simply as that... its bloody criminal.
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Post by Northy on Dec 2, 2019 20:51:47 GMT
This is the combined transfer value of Tonight’s PNE side facing WBA. Our combined transfer fees for the starting xi on Saturday was £50Million+ . What is the fundamental problem @ SCFC? How does our Chief Exec still have a job? Recruitment process is the fundamental problem
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Post by Roger Everyone on Dec 2, 2019 20:51:56 GMT
I am sure PNE have grown together as a team under the same manager.
We have a team of at least 3 different managers who never consistently play together.
Who do I blame, probably the owners for not acting quickly enough or being able recognise when things need to change.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 2, 2019 20:52:14 GMT
This is the combined transfer value of Tonight’s PNE side facing WBA. Our combined transfer fees for the starting xi on Saturday was £50Million+ . What is the fundamental problem @ SCFC? How does our Chief Exec still have a job? Nothing wrong with the process, what's all the fuss about, best squad we have ever had, three fourth place finishes, we follow due diligence, watch every potential signing 25 times, employ a manager on the recommendation of an ex Bet 365 employee and on and on what a monumental fuck up from the clowns in charge. These are the questions our intrepid local reporters should be asking. It seems there is no pressure on the SCFC hierarchy to improve the situation.
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Post by dingdongbell on Dec 2, 2019 20:52:22 GMT
Regardless of who is to blame , never mind the £50 + million that started , what about the mega millions spent on players not in the squad or not at the club . Going back to PNE WBA , is it my imagination or do both sets of players look leaner and a lot quicker than our bunch of plodders , but then again surely 3 or 4 managers that have come and gone know how fit their players are .
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 2, 2019 20:56:06 GMT
Regardless of who is to blame , never mind the £50 + million that started , what about the mega millions spent on players not in the squad or not at the club . Going back to PNE WBA , is it my imagination or do both sets of players look leaner and a lot quicker than our bunch of plodders , but then again surely 3 or 4 managers that have come and gone know how fit their players are . Leeds, WBA, PNE, Sheff W, Birmingham, Millwall all look far leaner, fitter and more hungry which is heartbreaking to watch. Our squad do not want to earn their rewards.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 2, 2019 20:56:26 GMT
West Brom have spent around £11m on Ajayi, Sawyers and Pereira.
They also got another gem in the loan market with Diangana.
Their transfer business has been on a completely different universe to ours since we were both relegated.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 2, 2019 21:01:41 GMT
I still believe O'Neill can get this right. Hopefully he can get rid of a lot of players in the window (sold or on loan) and bring in a left back, Verlinden back and maybe a striker too. Out: Butland £10M? Allen £7-8M? Badou £7-8M Woods £3-4M Indi £3M Cousins give away for free? Vokes £3-5M A bit too optimistic maybe?
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 2, 2019 21:04:35 GMT
I still believe O'Neill can get this right. Hopefully he can get rid of a lot of players in the window (sold or on loan) and bring in a left back, Verlinden back and maybe a striker too. Out: Butland £10M? Allen £7-8M? Badou £7-8M Woods £3-4M Indi £3M Cousins give away for free? Vokes £3-5M A bit too optimistic maybe? Cut those numbers in half and you could be somewhere near.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 21:05:18 GMT
What went wrong?
We panicked as a club, employed a manager that had never been promoted or spent serious money before and the process allowed him to run riot and waste money, serious money that we'll never see again.
That money was wasted on 'top end' Championship players that were recruited on big money, potentially ruining any last remaining hunger inside them, and they were placed alongside demotivated players that didn't want to play for our club any more, or in the Championship. All of them lobbed into a system that just didn't suit them one bit.
Said manager couldn't get a tune out of those players that befit the cost of acquiring them and he was sacked.
The club then panicked again and employed an inexperienced project manager to correct the previous wrongs, hoping their mate who met him in a pub was right about him.
It's a pretty special failure we've overseen. I'm mildly amused and impressed at it in equal measure.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 2, 2019 21:05:23 GMT
Nothing wrong with the process says the man who runs it
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 2, 2019 21:07:07 GMT
I still believe O'Neill can get this right. Hopefully he can get rid of a lot of players in the window (sold or on loan) and bring in a left back, Verlinden back and maybe a striker too. Out: Butland £10M? Allen £7-8M? Badou £7-8M Woods £3-4M Indi £3M Cousins give away for free? Vokes £3-5M A bit too optimistic maybe? I believe MON can turn this around but he must do what Jones failed to do and get rid of the dead wood. That requires £buy in from the hierarchy.
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Post by dingdongbell on Dec 2, 2019 21:21:39 GMT
I still believe O'Neill can get this right. Hopefully he can get rid of a lot of players in the window (sold or on loan) and bring in a left back, Verlinden back and maybe a striker too. Out: Butland £10M? Allen £7-8M? Badou £7-8M Woods £3-4M Indi £3M Cousins give away for free? Vokes £3-5M A bit too optimistic maybe? I believe MON can turn this around but he must do what Jones failed to do and get rid of the dead wood. That requires £buy in from the hierarchy. I think in Butland , Allen and Badou’s cases their value will be half of those figures . Allen and Badou are pushing 30 , while Jacks form means any club is gambling on getting him back to his better form . As for give aways , I seriously think that the club will have to offer a fair few players , inducements to move on , that’s if any clubs show interest . When you take into account the recruitment over the last few years I’m thinking that I shouldn’t really be surprised to see us in the position we are in . Sounds depressing I know , but don’t see too many happy clappers at the games nowadays .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 21:29:07 GMT
None of our players will fetch over £5 million
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 2, 2019 21:34:59 GMT
West Brom have spent around £11m on Ajayi, Sawyers and Pereira. They also got another gem in the loan market with Diangana. Their transfer business has been on a completely different universe to ours since we were both relegated. Sawyers is the best midfielder in the division. Absolute mustard!
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 2, 2019 21:45:09 GMT
West Brom have spent around £11m on Ajayi, Sawyers and Pereira. They also got another gem in the loan market with Diangana. Their transfer business has been on a completely different universe to ours since we were both relegated. Sawyers is the best midfielder in the division. Absolute mustard! He’s certainly the best at what he does. I’d say Pereira looks the most talented player in the division. Have no idea how they managed to get him.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 2, 2019 21:48:32 GMT
I believe MON can turn this around but he must do what Jones failed to do and get rid of the dead wood. That requires £buy in from the hierarchy. I think in Butland , Allen and Badou’s cases their value will be half of those figures . Allen and Badou are pushing 30 , while Jacks form means any club is gambling on getting him back to his better form . As for give aways , I seriously think that the club will have to offer a fair few players , inducements to move on , that’s if any clubs show interest . When you take into account the recruitment over the last few years I’m thinking that I shouldn’t really be surprised to see us in the position we are in . Sounds depressing I know , but don’t see too many happy clappers at the games nowadays . All the players Jones signed in the summer will be virtually impossible to shift, who the hell would want them even as freebees, looking at the squad we could possibly sell Jack for peanuts, Etebo, Ndyai, Allen for peanuts, Afobe for peanuts, Vokes for peanuts, Ince for peanuts, McClean for peanuts, Lindsay free, Ward retired, Smith for peanuts, CCV back in Jan, Duffy back in Jan, Hogan back in Jan, Davies free, Cousins BMI for peanuts, Wimmer free, Imbula free, Gregory free what a disgrace we are worse than fucking Sunderland.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 2, 2019 21:49:30 GMT
Sawyers is the best midfielder in the division. Absolute mustard! He’s certainly the best at what he does. I’d say Pereira looks the most talented player in the division. Have no idea how they managed to get him. Proper recruitment policy a process that works
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Post by dingdongbell on Dec 2, 2019 22:11:14 GMT
I think in Butland , Allen and Badou’s cases their value will be half of those figures . Allen and Badou are pushing 30 , while Jacks form means any club is gambling on getting him back to his better form . As for give aways , I seriously think that the club will have to offer a fair few players , inducements to move on , that’s if any clubs show interest . When you take into account the recruitment over the last few years I’m thinking that I shouldn’t really be surprised to see us in the position we are in . Sounds depressing I know , but don’t see too many happy clappers at the games nowadays . All the players Jones signed in the summer will be virtually impossible to shift, who the hell would want them even as freebees, looking at the squad we could possibly sell Jack for peanuts, Etebo, Ndyai, Allen for peanuts, Afobe for peanuts, Vokes for peanuts, Ince for peanuts, McClean for peanuts, Lindsay free, Ward retired, Smith for peanuts, CCV back in Jan, Duffy back in Jan, Hogan back in Jan, Davies free, Cousins BMI for peanuts, Wimmer free, Imbula free, Gregory free what a disgrace we are worse than fucking Sunderland. They will only go back if all three parties agree , why would they want them back ? When they would have to pay them instead of us paying them ?
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Dec 2, 2019 22:18:59 GMT
Too much money. Simple as that. When money is no object - if you waste the odd 20m its relatively meaningless. If you have only a few million - you spend it wisely. This attitude is then passed onto the players. They come to Stoke for the money not the club and know the club is rich. The whole culture is then one of largess and laziness. This in turn sums up our performances. Cap the wages to a minimum and provide them with a bonus structure based on results. In addition if the board had to stand personally a percentage of losses made on player transfers - you would see an immediate change in recruitment.
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Post by rawli on Dec 2, 2019 23:05:52 GMT
Nothing wrong with the process, what's all the fuss about, best squad we have ever had, three fourth place finishes, we follow due diligence, watch every potential signing 25 times, employ a manager on the recommendation of an ex Bet 365 employee and on and on what a monumental fuck up from the clowns in charge. These are the questions our intrepid local reporters should be asking. It seems there is no pressure on the SCFC hierarchy to improve the situation. They daren't rock the boat. The Sentinel and Radio Stoke both rely too much on Stoke City to do anything but tow the party line. No one would read the paper or visit the website or listen to the radio station if they didn't have good access to the club.
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Post by pushon on Dec 2, 2019 23:49:54 GMT
I still believe O'Neill can get this right. Hopefully he can get rid of a lot of players in the window (sold or on loan) and bring in a left back, Verlinden back and maybe a striker too. Out: Butland £10M? Allen £7-8M? Badou £7-8M Woods £3-4M Indi £3M Cousins give away for free? Vokes £3-5M A bit too optimistic maybe? I believe MON can turn this around but he must do what Jones failed to do and get rid of the dead wood. That requires £buy in from the hierarchy. Fortunately for O'Neill, I don't think that clearing out the deadwood is,fortunately for him, part of his remit. Nothing to stop him offering every encouragement though.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 3, 2019 0:02:39 GMT
Too much money. Simple as that. When money is no object - if you waste the odd 20m its relatively meaningless. If you have only a few million - you spend it wisely. This attitude is then passed onto the players. They come to Stoke for the money not the club and know the club is rich. The whole culture is then one of largess and laziness. This in turn sums up our performances. Cap the wages to a minimum and provide them with a bonus structure based on results. In addition if the board had to stand personally a percentage of losses made on player transfers - you would see an immediate change in recruitment. There is definitely something in the philosophy “Too much money is a hindrance” especially in this division. I feel a club and management has less motivation to concentrate on the basics of Hunger, fitness, tactics and ability if they can buy expensive, mercenary, wank journeymen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 0:07:55 GMT
Too much money. Simple as that. When money is no object - if you waste the odd 20m its relatively meaningless. If you have only a few million - you spend it wisely. This attitude is then passed onto the players. They come to Stoke for the money not the club and know the club is rich. The whole culture is then one of largess and laziness. This in turn sums up our performances. Cap the wages to a minimum and provide them with a bonus structure based on results. In addition if the board had to stand personally a percentage of losses made on player transfers - you would see an immediate change in recruitment. There is definitely something in the philosophy “Too much money is a hindrance” especially in this division. I feel a club and management has less motivation to concentrate on the basics of Hunger, fitness, tactics and ability if they can buy expensive, mercenary, wank journeymen. Really? is there anything else that you can offer about this "philosophy"? I have never heard of this one.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 3, 2019 1:26:06 GMT
There is definitely something in the philosophy “Too much money is a hindrance” especially in this division. I feel a club and management has less motivation to concentrate on the basics of Hunger, fitness, tactics and ability if they can buy expensive, mercenary, wank journeymen. Really? is there anything else that you can offer about this "philosophy"? I have never heard of this one. How would you describe the effectiveness of throwing money at ineffective Championship managers in their pursuit of promotion? High cost players are NOT a necessity to gain promotion. Demanding fundamental qualities and personality from your players is far more important. Our players have limited ability. Most have questionable work ethic. Keep up Old Boy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 1:53:43 GMT
Really? is there anything else that you can offer about this "philosophy"? I have never heard of this one. How would you describe the effectiveness of throwing money at ineffective Championship managers in their pursuit of promotion? High cost players are NOT a necessity to gain promotion. Demanding fundamental qualities and personality from your players is far more important. Our players have limited ability. Most have questionable work ethic. Keep up Old Boy. I agree.
It was this "philosophy" that you mentioned. i was interested in it.
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