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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 1, 2019 11:17:12 GMT
This is absolutely our biggest issue and has been for three or four years. The side we put out today must be one of the slowest in championship history. Every problem we have stems from a lack of pace. Both in defensive areas (ie them getting in behind Indy to cross for their second) and in attacking areas where we have absolutely no movement or ability to get in behind their defence or pick up the ball in tight areas and beat a man. It's absolutely fucking painful. If we can't bring in players then at the very least get Bauer and Verlinden back.
On a side note, Ince needs to have his contract ripped up. Are we really paying him 30k a week for this shit? Just can't get over how utterly shocking the signings by Rowett and Jones have been.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 1, 2019 11:20:16 GMT
This is absolutely our biggest issue and has been for three or four years. The side we put out today must be one of the slowest in championship history. Every problem we have stems from a lack of pace. Both in defensive areas (ie them getting in behind Indy to cross for their second) and in attacking areas where we have absolutely no movement or ability to get in behind their defence or pick up the ball in tight areas and beat a man. It's absolutely fucking painful. If we can't bring in players then at the very least get Bauer and Verlinden back. On a side note, Ince needs to have his contract ripped up. Are we really paying him 30k a week for this shit? Just can't get over how utterly shocking the signings by Rowett and Jones have been. Been saying it for years, only to be told "let's sign Usain Bolt, then" and other gems. It's absolutely killing us.
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Post by stokefanone on Dec 2, 2019 1:38:36 GMT
Why can't we sign pacy players?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 10:01:39 GMT
Basically because, the people who sanction these transfer's are useless!
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Post by backintheday on Dec 2, 2019 12:27:06 GMT
Basically because, the people who sanction these transfer's are useless! Or people don’t want to come here just saying
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 2, 2019 12:32:23 GMT
Basically because, the people who sanction these transfer's are useless! Or people don’t want to come here just saying Slow, old, past caring players, injury prone do.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 2, 2019 12:34:51 GMT
The average age of the squad is about 28.5, only Cardiff's is older and virtually all our regular strikers are around 30 or over.
We play with the second slowest metres per second play in the league after Fulham (who play a slow possession game), this is because the squad has no idea what it wants to be and is a hodge podge of 4 different managers. All stagnating, all getting older and virtually all needing replacing in the next 2 years or so.
I posted about this and my concerns with the age of the squad before the Cardiff and Blackburn games and got told I was panicking after two wins....it's a fucking serious problem and we're paralysed until we get a considerable amount of squad turnover. You can't even say this team has come to the end of it's cycle like Pulis' team or indeed the only team older than us, Cardiff. Because it never had a cycle in the first place.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 2, 2019 12:35:52 GMT
There's not much O'Neill can do to address it at the moment but, for years, we have neglected signing pacy players. Even if it's just an out ball or someone running the channels, it helps so much to have pace. As you say, it's a massive problem for us as any quick winger or striker beats our defenders and any movement up front is limited because of how slow we are. Quick players can play badly and still cause problems for the opposition just by running and we haven't got anybody like that all. Even our two quickest, N'Diaye & Etebo are more aggressively quick across the ground and going into tackles, rather than being fleet footed running with or without the ball.
It's painful to watch.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 2, 2019 12:51:04 GMT
Charlie Adam carrying top timber could out pace some of these meandering, dillydallying lollygaggers
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Post by Goonie on Dec 2, 2019 12:53:46 GMT
There's not much O'Neill can do to address it at the moment but, for years, we have neglected signing pacy players. Even if it's just an out ball or someone running the channels, it helps so much to have pace. As you say, it's a massive problem for us as any quick winger or striker beats our defenders and any movement up front is limited because of how slow we are. Quick players can play badly and still cause problems for the opposition just by running and we haven't got anybody like that all. Even our two quickest, N'Diaye & Etebo are more aggressively quick across the ground and going into tackles, rather than being fleet footed running with or without the ball. It's painful to watch. Well said We've been complaining for 3.5 years how slow we are Rowett bought some slow pokes and Jones and his 'hungry, pacey, passionate' players never materialised 4 seasons of mismanaged recruitment leaves us here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:11:04 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really.
Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball.
Demar Phillips?
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Dec 2, 2019 13:27:09 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Diouf? Campbell,tho' he's nowhere near established?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:29:01 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Diouf? He runs like he could topple over at any second.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 2, 2019 13:44:09 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Cameron Jerome was rapid, he just used to run into touch all the time.
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Post by rawli on Dec 2, 2019 13:59:15 GMT
This is absolutely our biggest issue and has been for three or four years. The side we put out today must be one of the slowest in championship history. Every problem we have stems from a lack of pace. Both in defensive areas (ie them getting in behind Indy to cross for their second) and in attacking areas where we have absolutely no movement or ability to get in behind their defence or pick up the ball in tight areas and beat a man. It's absolutely fucking painful. If we can't bring in players then at the very least get Bauer and Verlinden back. On a side note, Ince needs to have his contract ripped up. Are we really paying him 30k a week for this shit? Just can't get over how utterly shocking the signings by Rowett and Jones have been. Been saying it for years, only to be told "let's sign Usain Bolt, then" and other gems. It's absolutely killing us. Also the old adage that the first few yards are in the head. No matter what BMI thought on Saturday he was always going to lose that race.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 2, 2019 14:09:05 GMT
I guess you wouldn't describe any of them as particularly rapid but three to four years ago we had Arnoutovic, Shaqiri and Bojan flying at teams with fluid passing and speed of thought whereas now we get to see Joe Allen sponging a 7 yard pass into Nick Powell's shins who is subsequently injured in the process as the ball falls to Tom Ince who turns inside and gets knocked off the ball by a six year old girl.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 2, 2019 14:28:27 GMT
My suspicion is that we don't want to be seen to buy young players who could be seen to be blocking the way of our academy players so end up signing older players as stop gaps who in reality are not good enough.
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Post by adi on Dec 2, 2019 15:01:33 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Cameron Jerome, Jermaine Pennant, Assaidi, Bauer. All quick. And all that I think (including Bauer) would probably improve this team right now, it’s that bad.
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Post by adi on Dec 2, 2019 15:03:03 GMT
My suspicion is that we don't want to be seen to buy young players who could be seen to be blocking the way of our academy players so end up signing older players as stop gaps who in reality are not good enough. That won’t look good when we are playing in League One though will it? I just think that the transfer team are completely inept.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 15:41:07 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Cameron Jerome, Jermaine Pennant, Assaidi, Bauer. All quick. And all that I think (including Bauer) would probably improve this team right now, it’s that bad. Disagree with Pennant and Assaidi but it's entirely subjective but admittedly forgot about Jerome. I don't see what harm Bauer playing on the right wing in the current team would do.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 2, 2019 17:12:49 GMT
I don't even enjoy watching highlights shows these days. Seeing teams who've spent a fraction of what we have ping the ball about, move off the ball and score 3+ goals more frequently than once every 80 games or so is depressing. I'm fed up of football at the minute (apart from England who are decent to watch at last)
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Post by Pirate on Dec 2, 2019 17:20:14 GMT
Might be our biggest issue.
If you have some pace in the side, regardless of how badly things are going, you always carry a threat.
We are so easy to play against because its so easy to put the squeeze on us & a huge part of the reason we play sideways & backwards so much.
We dont stretch teams, pull them out of position or make them defend on the turn.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 2, 2019 18:33:27 GMT
Everyone seems to be forgetting 'lightening fast' Ramadan Sobhi.
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Post by AlliG on Dec 2, 2019 19:12:06 GMT
Watching Danny Batth bring the ball out of defence is like watching a man in a suit of armour trying to swim.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Dec 2, 2019 21:23:41 GMT
It's not just physical pace we lack, it's mental pace as well, the pace of quick-thinking within our squad is also abysmal.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 2, 2019 21:27:07 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Moses was quick. What we’d give for a winger like that now.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 2, 2019 22:03:09 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Moses was quick. What we’d give for a winger like that now. Indeed.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Dec 2, 2019 22:09:24 GMT
Watch Leicester against Everton from the weekend and then watch us. Its abysmal and frightening.
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Post by samstokie1 on Dec 2, 2019 22:16:04 GMT
i can only think of badou and diouf as playere that have anything close to actual pace
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 22:40:34 GMT
Stoke haven't had a quick player as long as I have watched them really. Etherington and Arnautovic are the only ones who come close to what I'd describe as genuine pace, with or without the ball. Demar Phillips? Moses was quick. What we’d give for a winger like that now. Yep, another one I missed.
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