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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 20:42:20 GMT
Hughes didn't relegate us, Lambert did that. Had we stuck with either Rowett or Lambert we would not now be facing another relegation.
Jones.
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Post by stroller on Dec 2, 2019 22:42:55 GMT
While we are quoting royalty............ "Looks like I'm in for the chop" (Charles the first). I dont want to be nit picking but technically the whole point of Wallis was she wasn’t royalty 😉 True, but you also quoted "Charlie",,,,,,, who is actually Royalty. Not nit picking like !
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 2, 2019 22:56:10 GMT
I'm giving him a transfer window + 4 weeks of football. If he hasn't turned it around by then fuck him off. Tired of this pandering bollocks, that's what got us in this shit heap in the first place. Don’t think Pete will take this on board somehow.
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Post by samba :) on Dec 2, 2019 23:01:11 GMT
I think he might resign and go back to ni if we go down and he gets them into to the euros.
(I pressume they managed to get a qualifier match)
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 3, 2019 5:49:35 GMT
Best midfield performance of the season Fulham at home both played , he either didn’t watch the video ( why not ) or doesn’t know the players ( why not ) Oi, BJ, you still haven’t answered my question. I’ve copied it here for your convenience....... benjaminbiscuit Avatar Nov 27, 2019 at 8:53am benjaminbiscuit said: jeycov Avatar Nov 27, 2019 at 4:21am jeycov said: A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games I don't know Benji, why don't you tell us? Please bear in mind that the team had managed only 5 wins in their previous 36 league games and had an average of just over 0.5 points per game this season. What do you think a fair haul from the first 4 games for a new manager would be? Perhaps 2 (using the average points per game so far) or even 4 (doubling that tally)? Perhaps 3 (using Nathan Jones' haul in his first 4 games), 2 (using Rowett's haul in his first 4 games), 5 (Lambert's haul)? For completeness, here are the other managers point hauls in their first 4 games over the last 20 years: Hughes = 7 Boskamp = 7 Cotterill = 4 Thordarson = 4 Megson = 3 Little =12 But I'm guessing you will want to use the GOLD STANDARD - Tony Pulis' amazing 0 points from his first 4 in charge of Stoke? But why stop at 4 games? Perhaps MON should be aiming to beat TP's 3 points from the first 9 games? Please do tell, what should a new Stoke manager be aiming at? Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/81/recent#ixzz671If1smS
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 3, 2019 8:58:06 GMT
Best midfield performance of the season Fulham at home both played , he either didn’t watch the video ( why not ) or doesn’t know the players ( why not ) Oi, BJ, you still haven’t answered my question. I’ve copied it here for your convenience....... benjaminbiscuit Avatar Nov 27, 2019 at 8:53am benjaminbiscuit said: jeycov Avatar Nov 27, 2019 at 4:21am jeycov said: A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games I don't know Benji, why don't you tell us? Please bear in mind that the team had managed only 5 wins in their previous 36 league games and had an average of just over 0.5 points per game this season. What do you think a fair haul from the first 4 games for a new manager would be? Perhaps 2 (using the average points per game so far) or even 4 (doubling that tally)? Perhaps 3 (using Nathan Jones' haul in his first 4 games), 2 (using Rowett's haul in his first 4 games), 5 (Lambert's haul)? For completeness, here are the other managers point hauls in their first 4 games over the last 20 years: Hughes = 7 Boskamp = 7 Cotterill = 4 Thordarson = 4 Megson = 3 Little =12 But I'm guessing you will want to use the GOLD STANDARD - Tony Pulis' amazing 0 points from his first 4 in charge of Stoke? But why stop at 4 games? Perhaps MON should be aiming to beat TP's 3 points from the first 9 games? Please do tell, what should a new Stoke manager be aiming at? Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/81/recent#ixzz671If1smS Fire aim ready I’m afraid I said immediately 7 points from 4 games so there not hindsight and then said to be fair I felt Key games were Blackburn Hull , Reading , Luton Boro and Wednesday and he he had to deliver 9 points from those six 7/8 might be borderline anything less abject failure 10 or more top top job .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 10:48:00 GMT
Hughes didn't relegate us, Lambert did that. You're the sort that thinks that if someone threw a petrol bomb at your neighbours house and it burned down it's the neighbours who are to blame for not putting out the fire.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 4, 2019 3:41:33 GMT
Hughes didn't relegate us, Lambert did that. You're the sort that thinks that if someone threw a petrol bomb at your neighbours house and it burned down it's the neighbours who are to blame for not putting out the fire. Depends which way you look at it, if they haven't got sprinklers then it's hard to know who to blame. I'd personally blame the bloke who threw it, job for the insurance company I'd say.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 4, 2019 6:55:32 GMT
You're the sort that thinks that if someone threw a petrol bomb at your neighbours house and it burned down it's the neighbours who are to blame for not putting out the fire. Depends which way you look at it, if they haven't got sprinklers then it's hard to know who to blame. I'd personally blame the bloke who threw it, job for the insurance company I'd say. Well that confirms it then. It was Rowett that kept us up last year. And it'll be Jones that sends us down this year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 16:46:49 GMT
Depends which way you look at it, if they haven't got sprinklers then it's hard to know who to blame. I'd personally blame the bloke who threw it, job for the insurance company I'd say. Well that confirms it then. It was Rowett that kept us up last year. And it'll be Jones that sends us down this year. Correct
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 4, 2019 16:48:54 GMT
Well that confirms it then. It was Rowett that kept us up last year. And it'll be Jones that sends us down this year. Correct That was part of my point. Rowett kept us up, definitely. Jones made an incomprehensible mess. And here we are.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 4, 2019 17:12:30 GMT
That was part of my point. Rowett kept us up, definitely. Jones made an incomprehensible mess. And here we are. Rowett made us a worse team than we already were.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 4, 2019 17:19:53 GMT
That was part of my point. Rowett kept us up, definitely. Jones made an incomprehensible mess. And here we are. Rowett made us a worse team than we already were. I really don't think so. As I said, yes his signings were massively over priced but they kept us up didn't they? Who else should we rely on? Who would you have had instead of Ince (one of our better players last year), clucas, woods the verdict is out there but Rowett's team was much better than anything Jones did, even if it wasn't great. He used a lot of money but there was a process, wasn't there? After all we scout players at least 25 times.... It's pointless to reminisce anyway. All in all every player at the end of the Hughes era needed moving on or we should have had a ready made replacement. We could have signed every up and coming player from the championship, mushed then out Chelsea style, and had top players performing in the championship for years out on loan etc. That's what should happen, instead we simply held on until the whole thing fell apart and we still hasn't replaced Huth or shawx, and yet had no youth, potential nor up and coming players. Absolutely shocking by the club. Zero ambition, zero vision. That's pretty much it
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Post by questionable on Dec 4, 2019 17:21:50 GMT
if both Ndiaye & Etebo are off next month that is fair enough but by all accounts they are both fit to play yet weren't selected these are the best 2 players we have at the moment and should be in the team every week to help us get some much needed points i really don't know why MON isn't picking them i wish he would explain cos i just don't understand this madness As I’ve said before if you think that our managers have 100% control of the squad you’d be wrong
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 4, 2019 17:24:24 GMT
if both Ndiaye & Etebo are off next month that is fair enough but by all accounts they are both fit to play yet weren't selected these are the best 2 players we have at the moment and should be in the team every week to help us get some much needed points i really don't know why MON isn't picking them i wish he would explain cos i just don't understand this madness As I’ve said before if you think that our managers have 100% control of the squad you’d be wrong Again, wasn't that what Rowett was flipping out over?
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Post by questionable on Dec 4, 2019 17:26:49 GMT
As I’ve said before if you think that our managers have 100% control of the squad you’d be wrong Again, wasn't that what Rowett was flipping out over? He was on the A50 I heard
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 4, 2019 17:31:17 GMT
Rowett made us a worse team than we already were. I really don't think so. As I said, yes his signings were massively over priced but they kept us up didn't they? Who else should we rely on? Who would you have had instead of Ince (one of our better players last year), clucas, woods the verdict is out there but Rowett's team was much better than anything Jones did, even if it wasn't great. He used a lot of money but there was a process, wasn't there? After all we scout players at least 25 times.... It's pointless to reminisce anyway. All in all every player at the end of the Hughes era needed moving on or we should have had a ready made replacement. We could have signed every up and coming player from the championship, mushed then out Chelsea style, and had top players performing in the championship for years out on loan etc. That's what should happen, instead we simply held on until the whole thing fell apart and we still hasn't replaced Huth or shawx, and yet had no youth, potential nor up and coming players. Absolutely shocking by the club. Zero ambition, zero vision. That's pretty much it It's just a bizarre argument. His signings were the ones very much contributing to us being in the mess. A different manager could've, you know, signed different, better players? Or not eschewed creativity completely? Or signed a left back? Or played Etebo?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 4, 2019 17:32:35 GMT
Again, wasn't that what Rowett was flipping out over? He was on the A50 I heard Of course he was. And he bravely came back, what an absolute hero. Definitely not the spin his camp put on things to stop something else being his fault. Not his MO that, Brave Gary, lord no.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 4, 2019 17:33:41 GMT
I really don't think so. As I said, yes his signings were massively over priced but they kept us up didn't they? Who else should we rely on? Who would you have had instead of Ince (one of our better players last year), clucas, woods the verdict is out there but Rowett's team was much better than anything Jones did, even if it wasn't great. He used a lot of money but there was a process, wasn't there? After all we scout players at least 25 times.... It's pointless to reminisce anyway. All in all every player at the end of the Hughes era needed moving on or we should have had a ready made replacement. We could have signed every up and coming player from the championship, mushed then out Chelsea style, and had top players performing in the championship for years out on loan etc. That's what should happen, instead we simply held on until the whole thing fell apart and we still hasn't replaced Huth or shawx, and yet had no youth, potential nor up and coming players. Absolutely shocking by the club. Zero ambition, zero vision. That's pretty much it It's just a bizarre argument. His signings were the ones very much contributing to us being in the mess. A different manager could've, you know, signed different, better players? Or not eschewed creativity completely? Or signed a left back? Or played Etebo? Yes but we tried to get a better manager in Nathan, and then in MON.... Who hired Rowett? Who informed him who to sign? If we had zero plan and gave the guy an open check book, a manager who had never been promoted, then where to look for blame? The process is well documented, we are now reaping the rewards of it's incredible existence. All hail the process. The club is just shit and has been for a long long time.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 4, 2019 17:38:05 GMT
It's just a bizarre argument. His signings were the ones very much contributing to us being in the mess. A different manager could've, you know, signed different, better players? Or not eschewed creativity completely? Or signed a left back? Or played Etebo? Yes but we tried to get a better manager in Nathan, and then in MON.... Who hired Rowett? Who informed him who to sign? If we had zero plan and gave the guy an open check book, a manager who had never been promoted, then where to look for blame? The process is well documented, we are now reaping the rewards of it's incredible existence. All hail the process. The club is just shit and has been for a long long time. It's possible to think the process is shit and Rowett was shit as well. They're not mutually exclusive. Nobody 'informed him who to sign'. Unfortunately.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 4, 2019 18:02:09 GMT
Hilarious that Rowett often escapes blame.
Rowett is the MOST culpable person. He was given the biggest transfer kitty this league has ever seen, spent it on Ince, Afobe, Woods, Mcclean and Clucas.
He made is far WORSE, and now we look like falling another division. Jones also contributed to making things worse but Rowett did the real damage.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 4, 2019 18:57:27 GMT
Has anyone blamed Hughes yet.
The reason we are in this shit state is down to Rowett and Nutty Nath. £70million on absolute SHITE.
Saying that, O'Neil has enough time to turn it round.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 4, 2019 22:47:58 GMT
Has anyone blamed Hughes yet. The reason we are in this shit state is down to Rowett and Nutty Nath. £70million on absolute SHITE. Saying that, O'Neil has enough time to turn it round. It’s all Pulis’s’s fault. Obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 22:51:35 GMT
Has anyone blamed Hughes yet. The reason we are in this shit state is down to Rowett and Nutty Nath. £70million on absolute SHITE. Saying that, O'Neil has enough time to turn it round. It’s all Pulis’s’s fault. Obviously. We agree on something then ...
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 5, 2019 2:02:40 GMT
I’d say another loss or two.
We need to realise it’s the team that’s wank, I can’t see any manager being able to make this team perform how most of fans on this want to see.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 5, 2019 7:30:29 GMT
I’d say another loss or two. We need to realise it’s the team that’s wank, I can’t see any manager being able to make this team perform how most of fans on this want to see. It can be both though can't it? The manager was as culpable for the Blackburn defeat as the players.
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Post by Gods on Dec 5, 2019 7:59:57 GMT
Hughes didn't relegate us, Lambert did that. Had we stuck with either Rowett or Lambert we would not now be facing another relegation. Jones. I agree, we should not have sacked Hughes or Rowett mid-season. We got much worse both times, a terrible double whammy which just killed us in the end.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 5, 2019 8:07:37 GMT
Hughes didn't relegate us, Lambert did that. Had we stuck with either Rowett or Lambert we would not now be facing another relegation. Jones. I agree, we should not have sacked Hughes or Rowett mid-season. We got much worse both times, a terrible double whammy which just killed us in the end. Because we got the replacement wrong, not in the act of the sacking itself. We weren't going to get better under either.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 5, 2019 8:12:00 GMT
Imo the people that have done the damage, the root cause are
Mark Hughes- took a solid club spent the money and never replaced the core group of scfc players, look how many of his are here now. His big money signings are all military grade wasters.
Coates' "nothing wrong with the transfer policy", there so glaringly obviously is. Our hit rate percentage on transfers tells it's own story. Also ..for not hiring the standard/class of manager the club was in the position too, instead opting for mark Hughes, a proven failure who failed again in squad building. ( if only we had a warning he was capable of, er.. doing a QPR ,hey) Said it many times but since pulis we have signed the sort of manager that wont rock the boat because a) they're desperate for a job or b) they see stoke as a big club. Keeping a clueless CEO, and hiring a school friend, solicitor and former leek town GK as head of recruitment. Meanwhile championship Wolverhampton wanderers hire a super agent.
Rowett steadied the boat, 10 unbeaten near the end and 8 points off 6th with half a season to go, far from the cause of demise, more a scapegoat imo, hung out to face the backlash of supporters seething from the sheer incompetence of the previous 3 years. May aswell of worn a tshirt with a big target on his chest.
Fresh from going through the mill and in the last chance saloon our team of boardroom maestros who have proven that TP was the brains behind the success story of scfc have turned to a manager with no football league management experience. But don't worry, MON is a good coach (that bit I do believe) and aided by our proven in house 'know how' in the football league transfer market we are well on the road to recovery.
The Coates' must really not care about spunking 10's of millions up the wall because let's face it, the deficiencies are plain as day, so much is left to chance it's obvious why we are shit and wasting fortunes. If it was your money the club would be structured from top to bottom immecably to get the best out of every last pound, what we are witnessing is the opposite
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 5, 2019 9:17:28 GMT
Imo the people that have done the damage, the root cause are Mark Hughes- took a solid club spent the money and never replaced the core group of scfc players, look how many of his are here now. His big money signings are all military grade wasters. Coates' "nothing wrong with the transfer policy", there so glaringly obviously is. Our hit rate percentage on transfers tells it's own story. Also ..for not hiring the standard/class of manager the club was in the position too, instead opting for mark Hughes, a proven failure who failed again in squad building. ( if only we had a warning he was capable of, er.. doing a QPR ,hey) Said it many times but since pulis we have signed the sort of manager that wont rock the boat because a) they're desperate for a job or b) they see stoke as a big club. Keeping a clueless CEO, and hiring a school friend, solicitor and former leek town GK as head of recruitment. Meanwhile championship Wolverhampton wanderers hire a super agent. Rowett steadied the boat, 10 unbeaten near the end and 8 points off 6th with half a season to go, far from the cause of demise, more a scapegoat imo, hung out to face the backlash of supporters seething from the sheer incompetence of the previous 3 years. May aswell of worn a tshirt with a big target on his chest. Fresh from going through the mill and in the last chance saloon our team of boardroom maestros who have proven that TP was the brains behind the success story of scfc have turned to a manager with no football league management experience. But don't worry, MON is a good coach (that bit I do believe) and aided by our proven in house 'know how' in the football league transfer market we are well on the road to recovery. The Coates' must really not care about spunking 10's of millions up the wall because let's face it, the deficiencies are plain as day, so much is left to chance it's obvious why we are shit and wasting fortunes. If it was your money the club would be structured from top to bottom immecably to get the best out of every last pound, what we are witnessing is the opposite The managerial recruitment point is spot on post Pulis and to a degree post Hughes we had golden golden opportunities to move the club on but chose not to either because we wouldn’t pay , or we don’t know a decent managerial record or To protect vested interest in the process and for that alone the chief executive should have been removed when each replacement failed , let alone the wasting of 100 millions of revenue and the 190 m loans
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