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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2019 19:10:19 GMT
I like MON and have far more confidence in him than Nathan Jones but I can’t help thinking that this is more than just bad team selections. I genuinely think the board are interfering whether it’s resting players they want to sell or playing players out of form to put there value up or because it’s in there contract. The selection today made no sense neither have a number in the past Butland - why is he bought back straight away when Federicis done nothing wrong. Who the hell thought he was worth 35m Etebo - MO didnt refer to him being injured. Not even in the squad. NDaiye - Our best DM by a country mile. Allen - picked every game even when he’s atrocious. Pre season signings - everyone a dud and most nowhere near the starting 11. All free why didn’t we just save our money. Nothing seems to change yet those making the decisions at the top keep getting away with it. Mate believe it or not we actually paid money for Lindsay and Smith , before that Nutty Nath spunked £9m on Sam Vokes and about £4m on Batth, whatever possessed him to sign the rest of the dirty dozen God in only knows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 19:10:20 GMT
Jones got him in the team and firing though? We kept on losing though. I agree. It didn't rain today and I had a cup of lukewarm coffee at breakfast.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 30, 2019 21:00:34 GMT
I like MON and have far more confidence in him than Nathan Jones but I can’t help thinking that this is more than just bad team selections. I genuinely think the board are interfering whether it’s resting players they want to sell or playing players out of form to put there value up or because it’s in there contract. The selection today made no sense neither have a number in the past Butland - why is he bought back straight away when Federicis done nothing wrong. Who the hell thought he was worth 35m Etebo - MO didnt refer to him being injured. Not even in the squad. NDaiye - Our best DM by a country mile. Allen - picked every game even when he’s atrocious. Pre season signings - everyone a dud and most nowhere near the starting 11. All free why didn’t we just save our money. Nothing seems to change yet those making the decisions at the top keep getting away with it. Mate believe it or not we actually paid money for Lindsay and Smith , before that Nutty Nath spunked £9m on Sam Vokes and about £4m on Batth, whatever possessed him to sign the rest of the dirty dozen God in only knows. Think through the timing of vokes and Baht and Jones appointment is all I will say
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2019 21:09:17 GMT
Mate believe it or not we actually paid money for Lindsay and Smith , before that Nutty Nath spunked £9m on Sam Vokes and about £4m on Batth, whatever possessed him to sign the rest of the dirty dozen God in only knows. Think through the timing of vokes and Baht and Jones appointment is all I will say I have he was the manager !
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 30, 2019 21:10:23 GMT
Think through the timing of vokes and Baht and Jones appointment is all I will say I have he was the manager ! Not to watch either 25 times he wasn’t
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2019 21:15:16 GMT
I have he was the manager ! Not to watch either 25 times he wasn’t That was not his job, he took responsibility for all the players brought in under his management, are you suggesting someone else was responsible or that Jones is a liar as well as a piss poor manager ?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 30, 2019 21:18:52 GMT
Not to watch either 25 times he wasn’t That was not his job, he took responsibility for all the players brought in under his management, are you suggesting someone else was responsible or that Jones is a liar as well as a piss poor manager ? Im suggesting That jones saw it Correct and those that appointed him did that he took responsibility for all signings on his watch which he was more than willing to do given he’d won the salary lottery
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2019 21:48:37 GMT
That was not his job, he took responsibility for all the players brought in under his management, are you suggesting someone else was responsible or that Jones is a liar as well as a piss poor manager ? Im suggesting That jones saw it Correct and those that appointed him did that he took responsibility for all signings on his watch which he was more than willing to do given he’d won the salary lottery I find it very unusual that we don't bring up the Rowett-Jones comparisons more often? Rowett- fought for the fans, before being undermined and self destructing. He protested against, and fought, the powers trying to influence his signings throwing his toys out of the pram... He inevitably lost. Jones- won the lottery, spoke about youth and pushing for it, then got basically no backing, was told he had to sign loan players and what feels like him being totally accepting of 'the process'... Ending up with even older, more useless players than we had before! And more useless loan players? Duffy ffs? - ended up losing O'Neill- wonder what he thinks of this shower of shit and the process? Should I not start a thread "how long until O'Neill loses it? It's the damn process (scholes and John - now carto has gone it's clear John is making as much of a mess of things as anyone)
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2019 22:21:38 GMT
That was not his job, he took responsibility for all the players brought in under his management, are you suggesting someone else was responsible or that Jones is a liar as well as a piss poor manager ? Im suggesting That jones saw it Correct and those that appointed him did that he took responsibility for all signings on his watch which he was more than willing to do given he’d won the salary lottery WTF does that mean ?
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2019 22:24:25 GMT
Im suggesting That jones saw it Correct and those that appointed him did that he took responsibility for all signings on his watch which he was more than willing to do given he’d won the salary lottery WTF does that mean ? I understood it as -Jones won the lottery, therefore why would he wish to rock the boat? Compare that with Rowett, who wanted to rock the boat and inevitably seemed to want the sack (and be happy with it). Seems very plausible and undervalued analysis of our past management styles with consideration of the supposed 'process' and transfer policy.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 22:24:40 GMT
Im suggesting That jones saw it Correct and those that appointed him did that he took responsibility for all signings on his watch which he was more than willing to do given he’d won the salary lottery I find it very unusual that we don't bring up the Rowett-Jones comparisons more often? Rowett- fought for the fans, before being undermined and self destructing. He protested against, and fought, the powers trying to influence his signings throwing his toys out of the pram... He inevitably lost. Jones- won the lottery, spoke about youth and pushing for it, then got basically no backing, was told he had to sign loan players and what feels like him being totally accepting of 'the process'... Ending up with even older, more useless players than we had before! And more useless loan players? Duffy ffs? - ended up losing O'Neill- wonder what he thinks of this shower of shit and the process? Should I not start a thread "how long until O'Neill loses it? It's the damn process (scholes and John - now carto has gone it's clear John is making as much of a mess of things as anyone) That isn’t what happened with Rowett. Nobody ‘influenced’ his signings bar Etebo, who was comfortably better than anyone he signed.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2019 22:29:16 GMT
I find it very unusual that we don't bring up the Rowett-Jones comparisons more often? Rowett- fought for the fans, before being undermined and self destructing. He protested against, and fought, the powers trying to influence his signings throwing his toys out of the pram... He inevitably lost. Jones- won the lottery, spoke about youth and pushing for it, then got basically no backing, was told he had to sign loan players and what feels like him being totally accepting of 'the process'... Ending up with even older, more useless players than we had before! And more useless loan players? Duffy ffs? - ended up losing O'Neill- wonder what he thinks of this shower of shit and the process? Should I not start a thread "how long until O'Neill loses it? It's the damn process (scholes and John - now carto has gone it's clear John is making as much of a mess of things as anyone) That isn’t what happened with Rowett. Nobody ‘influenced’ his signings bar Etebo, who was comfortably better than anyone he signed. We've been over this. He didn't want loans... We had to have loans. He wanted to spend, he threw his toys out and the next day we got Ince (who was probably one of the reasons we stayed up last year). Jones wanted young, hungry, probably expensive, we got old, free, useless, slow etc.... It's ridiculous. It's not as black and white as you suggest, at all.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 22:36:27 GMT
That isn’t what happened with Rowett. Nobody ‘influenced’ his signings bar Etebo, who was comfortably better than anyone he signed. We've been over this. He didn't want loans... We had to have loans. He wanted to spend, he threw his toys out and the next day we got Ince (who was probably one of the reasons we stayed up last year). Jones wanted young, hungry, probably expensive, we got old, free, useless, slow etc.... It's ridiculous. It's not as black and white as you suggest, at all. He wanted to spend and he did spend - more than anyone in the league. He got his top striker target even though he didn’t fit into the system he wanted to play. He got his top winger target even though he didn’t fit into the system he wanted to play. He got his first choice midfielders even though we’d got an abundance of that type of midfielder. Ince he’d worked with before. He’d wanted Ritchie from Newcastle and the club couldn’t have done more to make that happen. He ended up staying and playing every week in the Prem. He ‘didn’t want loans’ but used one on a shit right back when we’d already got two. Don’t think anybody forced Martina on him given the pizza boys had given Bauer a five year deal. He didn’t sign pace. He ostracised creativity. He didn’t sign a left back. He was well backed and he was an idiot.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 30, 2019 22:37:01 GMT
I understood it as -Jones won the lottery, therefore why would he wish to rock the boat? Compare that with Rowett, who wanted to rock the boat and inevitably seemed to want the sack (and be happy with it). Seems very plausible and undervalued analysis of our past management styles with consideration of the supposed 'process' and transfer policy. So Jones was a liar a charlatan a managment puppet and only here for the money ! now that makes things clearer, all the beating of the chest etc. was all about him what a twat.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2019 22:42:18 GMT
We've been over this. He didn't want loans... We had to have loans. He wanted to spend, he threw his toys out and the next day we got Ince (who was probably one of the reasons we stayed up last year). Jones wanted young, hungry, probably expensive, we got old, free, useless, slow etc.... It's ridiculous. It's not as black and white as you suggest, at all. He wanted to spend and he did spend - more than anyone in the league. He got his top striker target even though he didn’t fit into the system he wanted to play. He got his top winger target even though he didn’t fit into the system he wanted to play. He got his first choice midfielders even though we’d got an abundance of that type of midfielder. Ince he’d worked with before. He’d wanted Ritchie from Newcastle and the club couldn’t have done more to make that happen. He ended up staying and playing every week in the Prem. He ‘didn’t want loans’ but used one on a shit right back when we’d already got two. Don’t think anybody forced Martina on him given the pizza boys had given Bauer a five year deal. He didn’t sign pace. He ostracised creativity. He didn’t sign a left back. He was well backed and he was an idiot. Yes but in all honesty he did rather well with a shit squad, didn't he? Adobe seems fine in a good side, we are shit and create nothing. Ince and clucas seem our best/better players, as does mcclean funnily enough. Imagine us without these players? Yes he was backed, and he probably didn't spend too wisely, but clearly he had his hands tied and was far from compliant nor did he get along at all with the powers and the process. Pretty certain Rowett was told he couldn't sign a right back, plus pizza boys gave a player who wasn't his a5 year deal (I'm certain they fell out about that also-the team meddling saga) I'd argue that Jones wasted so much more. Basically all of Jones'players are absolutely wank. Beyond that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 22:46:21 GMT
He wanted to spend and he did spend - more than anyone in the league. He got his top striker target even though he didn’t fit into the system he wanted to play. He got his top winger target even though he didn’t fit into the system he wanted to play. He got his first choice midfielders even though we’d got an abundance of that type of midfielder. Ince he’d worked with before. He’d wanted Ritchie from Newcastle and the club couldn’t have done more to make that happen. He ended up staying and playing every week in the Prem. He ‘didn’t want loans’ but used one on a shit right back when we’d already got two. Don’t think anybody forced Martina on him given the pizza boys had given Bauer a five year deal. He didn’t sign pace. He ostracised creativity. He didn’t sign a left back. He was well backed and he was an idiot. Yes but in all honesty he did rather well with a shit squad, didn't he? Adobe seems fine in a good side, we are shit and create nothing. Ince and clucas seem our best/better players, as does mcclean funnily enough. Imagine us without these players? Yes he was backed, and he probably didn't spend too wisely, but clearly he had his hands tied and was far from compliant nor did he get along at all with the powers and the process. Pretty certain Rowett was told he couldn't sign a right back, plus pizza boys gave a player who wasn't his a5 year deal (I'm certain they fell out about that also-the team meddling saga) I'd argue that Jones wasted so much more. Basically all of Jones'players are absolutely wank. Beyond that. It was his shit side. He created it. We actually create more now than we did under him. Afobe wasn’t in a good side because he isn’t a lone striker and Rowett signed him specifically to be one. How did he have his hands tied when he spent £50m and got the vast majority of his top targets? If he was told he couldn’t sign a right back, how did he manage to, erm, sign a right back?
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2019 22:47:30 GMT
You mean on loan right? That's not signing a right back.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 22:51:49 GMT
You mean on loan right? That's not signing a right back. How is it not signing a right back? He didn’t need a right back. He signed one anyway. He needed a left back. He didn’t sign one.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 30, 2019 22:55:48 GMT
You mean on loan right? That's not signing a right back. How is it not signing a right back? He didn’t need a right back. He signed one anyway. He needed a left back. He didn’t sign one. So we had Edwards and a guy he didn't want (Bauer)? Pretty sure we still need a right back don't we? CCV really isn't a right back. Edwards doesn't seem good enough. I agree, we need a left back. We also need a striker, a left winger, oh...a center back. A good keeper while we are at it, and... Erm...a DM. Can't you see scholes and coates reaction when Rowett told them what they needed to improve this shit squad? The only half decent players are Rowetts signings. Martina seems like someone he was told he could sign, because he couldn't have any more money and he was fucked of at being told he needed to play Bauer. "Best team we've ever had"
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 23:02:36 GMT
How is it not signing a right back? He didn’t need a right back. He signed one anyway. He needed a left back. He didn’t sign one. So we had Edwards and a guy he didn't want (Bauer)? Pretty sure we still need a right back don't we? CCV really isn't a right back. Edwards doesn't seem good enough. I agree, we need a left back. We also need a striker, a left winger, oh...a center back. A good keeper while we are at it, and... Erm...a DM. Can't you see scholes and coates reaction when Rowett told them what they needed to improve this shit squad? The only half decent players are Rowetts signings. Martina seems like someone he was told he could sign, because he couldn't have any more money and he was fucked of at being told he needed to play Bauer. "Best team we've ever had" ‘The only decent players are Rowett signings’. Go on, list them?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 30, 2019 23:04:26 GMT
Very disappointing team selection from MON, I hope he gets it right quickly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 23:05:58 GMT
Very disappointing team selection from MON, I hope he gets it right quickly. You said that the other day. Woods at DM after 4 games where he's shown he can't do it. What more does he need to see?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 30, 2019 23:09:28 GMT
Very disappointing team selection from MON, I hope he gets it right quickly. You said that the other day. Woods at DM after 4 games where he's shown he can't do it. What more does he need to see? Maybe the two losses will be enough. If he doesn't get it right quickly the fans will rightfully be on his back and I hope it doesn't come to that. Badou must have indicated he wants to go in January and so wants to build a team based on who is staying
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 23:13:34 GMT
You said that the other day. Woods at DM after 4 games where he's shown he can't do it. What more does he need to see? Maybe the two losses will be enough. If he doesn't get it right quickly the fans will rightfully be on his back and I hope it doesn't come to that. Badou must have indicated he wants to go in January and so wants to build a team based on who is staying We can't afford to do that though. He's our player, he's playing well, play him.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 30, 2019 23:14:44 GMT
You could forgive Pulis raising a glass tonight looking in to the shit that Coates has once again presided over. if you look at the results today most of the clubs at our level have mustered something. we got Woods and Brentford score 7 (or whatever). Can you imagine us getting to that standard. Fucking disgrace
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 23:16:04 GMT
You could forgive Pulis raising a glass tonight looking in to the shit that Coates has once again presided over. if you look at the results today most of the clubs at our level have mustered something. we got Woods and Brentford score 7 (or whatever). Can you imagine us getting to that standard. Fucking disgrace What’s it got to do with Pulis? He was taking us backwards before he was rightly sacked?
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2019 23:17:43 GMT
The manager’s job is to motivate our best players to do their best for the club.
O’Neill won’t be able to motivate them if he is still trying in 50 year’s time.
I don’t know how the Board do it but they need to jettison him straightaway.
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Post by tejstokie on Nov 30, 2019 23:19:25 GMT
I personally don't think it is MON but this crop of shit players we are stuck with.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 30, 2019 23:28:02 GMT
So why was Jones allowed to play them? O’Neill has decided Woods can play at DM and has said he doesn’t see Badou as a DM. Is it really a wild shout to suggest that his judgement’s off on this one? I suspect a lot comes down to this "undroppable Joe" conundrum... He doesn't want to drop Clucas after his first game performance. Not sure where he goes from here actually (Michael that is) Home to Blackburn should have been a good opportunity to see his style and motivation after a reasonably gentle opening three games. Mmmmmmm..... Yup ... JFA is destroying this club, as yet another manager somehow misses what a sheer fraud of a player he is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 23:30:31 GMT
The manager’s job is to motivate our best players to do their best for the club. O’Neill won’t be able to motivate them if he is still trying in 50 year’s time. I don’t know how the Board do it but they need to jettison him straightaway. This once mildly amusing routine is getting seriously tedious. Change the fucking record......
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