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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 30, 2019 17:04:42 GMT
I like MON and have far more confidence in him than Nathan Jones but I can’t help thinking that this is more than just bad team selections. I genuinely think the board are interfering whether it’s resting players they want to sell or playing players out of form to put there value up or because it’s in there contract.
The selection today made no sense neither have a number in the past
Butland - why is he bought back straight away when Federicis done nothing wrong. Who the hell thought he was worth 35m
Etebo - MO didnt refer to him being injured. Not even in the squad.
NDaiye - Our best DM by a country mile.
Allen - picked every game even when he’s atrocious.
Pre season signings - everyone a dud and most nowhere near the starting 11. All free why didn’t we just save our money.
Nothing seems to change yet those making the decisions at the top keep getting away with it.
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Post by prudhoesnose on Nov 30, 2019 17:11:42 GMT
This is why, in a way, I’m glad there’s FFP restrictions looming for us. We can’t just spend our way out of this mess. Maybe people will become accountable for these utterly atrocious signings (doubt it though.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 17:13:56 GMT
Woods & Ince really stifle our play, Vokes, well, just no.
Our best two midfielders, Etebo & Ndiaye are miles ahead of anything else in this league yet can’t get picked for a bottom 3 team.
The team that finished looked far better than what started.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 30, 2019 17:45:02 GMT
The reason I said what I did is that any idiot can see Etebo and NDaiye are our best and most combatative CMs and that managers aren’t stupid. It’s the only possible reason that the board are having an influence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 17:48:18 GMT
Woods & Ince really stifle our play, Vokes, well, just no. Our best two midfielders, Etebo & Ndiaye are miles ahead of anything else in this league yet can’t get picked for a bottom 3 team. The team that finished looked far better than what started. Woods was the only one passing forwards and Ince at least had two decent attempts on goal. Etebo and NDiaye need to be back in the team but unless Diouf is fully fit, we can’t not play Ince. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 17:51:24 GMT
Woods & Ince really stifle our play, Vokes, well, just no. Our best two midfielders, Etebo & Ndiaye are miles ahead of anything else in this league yet can’t get picked for a bottom 3 team. The team that finished looked far better than what started. Woods was the only one passing forwards and Ince at least had two decent attempts on goal. Etebo and NDiaye need to be back in the team but unless Diouf is fully fit, we can’t not play Ince. Woods was dog shit, he's got absolutely nothing about him. Agreed with Ince mind we don't have anyone else and its pretty clear Diouf can't last more than ten minutes. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 17:53:32 GMT
Woods was the only one passing forwards and Ince at least had two decent attempts on goal. Etebo and NDiaye need to be back in the team but unless Diouf is fully fit, we can’t not play Ince. Woods was dog shit, he's got absolutely nothing about him. Agreed with Ince mind we don't have anyone else and its pretty clear Diouf can't last more than ten minutes. He was the best midfielder today for us. 3/10. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 17:56:24 GMT
Woods & Ince really stifle our play, Vokes, well, just no. Our best two midfielders, Etebo & Ndiaye are miles ahead of anything else in this league yet can’t get picked for a bottom 3 team. The team that finished looked far better than what started. Woods was the only one passing forwards and Ince at least had two decent attempts on goal. Etebo and NDiaye need to be back in the team but unless Diouf is fully fit, we can’t not play Ince. Diouf looked far more of a threat than Ince, even though diouf was out of position. Woods doesn’t Seem realise there is a left side of a pitch. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 17:56:51 GMT
Woods was dog shit, he's got absolutely nothing about him. Agreed with Ince mind we don't have anyone else and its pretty clear Diouf can't last more than ten minutes. He was the best midfielder today for us. 3/10.  I think you're being kind. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 17:58:04 GMT
He was the best midfielder today for us. 3/10. I think you're being kind. He didn’t hide unlike the other two I don’t think. It’s just absolutely ridiculous to have him as the deepest man. |
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Post by christhepotter on Nov 30, 2019 18:17:54 GMT
Woods was dog shit, he's got absolutely nothing about him. Agreed with Ince mind we don't have anyone else and its pretty clear Diouf can't last more than ten minutes. He was the best midfielder today for us. 3/10. He certainly wasn’t a 3/10 more like a 1/10 , he’s shite and should be nowhere near the first team |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 18:31:02 GMT
I think you're being kind. He didn’t hide unlike the other two I don’t think. It’s just absolutely ridiculous to have him as the deepest man. I don't think he should be playing full stop, I get that he isn't a DM but he adds nothing, his passing is average at best, he can't drive forward with the ball and takes to long to do anything. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 18:32:19 GMT
He didn’t hide unlike the other two I don’t think. It’s just absolutely ridiculous to have him as the deepest man. I don't think he should be playing full stop, I get that he isn't a DM but he adds nothing, his passing is average at best, he can't drive forward with the ball and takes to long to do anything. Doesn’t he take long to do things because there’s absolutely shit all movement ahead of him? It’s hard to do things quickly when you’d be doing via passing when all’s you can see is your team mates numbers. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 18:34:25 GMT
This is why, in a way, I’m glad there’s FFP restrictions looming for us. We can’t just spend our way out of this mess. Maybe people will become accountable for these utterly atrocious signings (doubt it though.) They already have, the managers that signed them got the sack. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 18:36:48 GMT
I don't think he should be playing full stop, I get that he isn't a DM but he adds nothing, his passing is average at best, he can't drive forward with the ball and takes to long to do anything. Doesn’t he take long to do things because there’s absolutely shit all movement ahead of him? It’s hard to do things quickly when you’d be doing via passing when all’s you can see is your team mates numbers. Sometimes that has been the case but there's been plenty when a half decent ball would/could get us on the attack, he's too scared to even attempt it, he's Whelan without the defensive side to his game. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 18:38:25 GMT
Doesn’t he take long to do things because there’s absolutely shit all movement ahead of him? It’s hard to do things quickly when you’d be doing via passing when all’s you can see is your team mates numbers. Sometimes that has been the case but there's been plenty when a half decent ball would/could get us on the attack, he's too scared to even attempt it, he's Whelan without the defensive side to his game. When though? It’s few and far between. A forward player made one good run for us today and that was Diouf. That was it. And it’s been like that for since time began it seems. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 30, 2019 18:40:50 GMT
If Woods is the answer then goodness knows what the question is.
He's diabolical, Jay Spearing mark 2
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:45:20 GMT
Why did MON start with Vokes after his comments after the Cardiff game with wanting football with purpose?
He should have seen that sub kill all momentum and offer no purposeful out ball, so why repeat the mistake?
I'm less than impressed thus far. He needs to seriously up his game.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 30, 2019 18:46:47 GMT
If Woods is the answer then goodness knows what the question is. He's diabolical, Jay Spearing mark 2 He slows the game down far too much for my liking |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 18:49:25 GMT
The reason I said what I did is that any idiot can see Etebo and NDaiye are our best and most combatative CMs and that managers aren’t stupid. It’s the only possible reason that the board are having an influence. So why was Jones allowed to play them? O’Neill has decided Woods can play at DM and has said he doesn’t see Badou as a DM. Is it really a wild shout to suggest that his judgement’s off on this one? |
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Post by stokecitydom on Nov 30, 2019 18:54:15 GMT
I despise this bunch of players, however the manager has to take the blame for today.
He got it completely wrong and he needs to learn quickly.
Etebo not being in the squad is a disgrace, Badou has to start too. You cannot win a game of football if you don’t have any fight or aggression in the middle of the park. We were pathetic in there today. The Blackburn midfield won’t have an easier game all season.
Vokes has done nothing in his cameos to suggest he deserved a start, yet he someone mananged to last the 90 minutes.
Seriously concerned that the manager already has his favourites (even though they’ve done nothing to justify the amount of minutes they’ve played).
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 30, 2019 18:55:50 GMT
The reason I said what I did is that any idiot can see Etebo and NDaiye are our best and most combatative CMs and that managers aren’t stupid. It’s the only possible reason that the board are having an influence. So why was Jones allowed to play them? O’Neill has decided Woods can play at DM and has said he doesn’t see Badou as a DM. Is it really a wild shout to suggest that his judgement’s off on this one? Sounds like he's bowed to Badou's own opinion on his best position? I can't imagine he'd ever seen him play before rocking up here - and the Galatasaray fans certainly didn't describe a sitter. It may not be his favourite position - but he did show he could play there and offer more than Woods. And needs must www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-oneill-butland-ndiaye-transfers-3576524“We made a change to the midfield three against Barnsley,” said O’Neill. “We possibly felt we needed a more disciplined player playing at the base and I think Ryan Woods has given us that. “Badou had also been away on international duty and felt a bit tired. “His attitude has been great and in the two games he’s come on he’s definitely given the team something. “We’ve spoken about the situation and he feels at times earlier in the season he wasn’t possibly played in his best position.“I see him as a player who will play higher up the pitch as opposed to a defensive-style midfield player and he’s responded well to that in training. “The reason he hasn’t been in the team is simple; we felt the need to change the team, the team won so we wouldn’t change a winning team. “Sam Clucas had an injury after the first game and we had an option in Nick (Powell), so it’s no reflection on Badou and his reaction to that has been very positive.” |
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Post by harlequin on Nov 30, 2019 18:56:25 GMT
Woods played a perfectly weighted curving through ball that Clucas reacted a second too late to, while he was being closed down and there was little movement ahead of him. He plays the high percentage pass which is what he should do.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 30, 2019 18:56:55 GMT
The reason I said what I did is that any idiot can see Etebo and NDaiye are our best and most combatative CMs and that managers aren’t stupid. It’s the only possible reason that the board are having an influence. So why was Jones allowed to play them? O’Neill has decided Woods can play at DM and has said he doesn’t see Badou as a DM. Is it really a wild shout to suggest that his judgement’s off on this one? I suspect a lot comes down to this "undroppable Joe" conundrum... He doesn't want to drop Clucas after his first game performance. Not sure where he goes from here actually (Michael that is) Home to Blackburn should have been a good opportunity to see his style and motivation after a reasonably gentle opening three games. Mmmmmmm..... |
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Post by thehoof on Nov 30, 2019 19:00:13 GMT
We have no threat down the right at all- CCV makes Pieters look like Messi when it comes to attacking and Ince is just pathetic.
Of his two efforts, I doubt that the first would have struggled to reach the goal ( god knows what their keeper was doing flopping down to save it) and his second was over- not on target.
Today he won a couple of tackles and put in not one telling cross.
He’s a waste of a position- get Gregory there until Verlinden gets back- I ‘ m sure he would be able to play on the right a damn sight better than Spider Man.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 19:03:04 GMT
Sometimes that has been the case but there's been plenty when a half decent ball would/could get us on the attack, he's too scared to even attempt it, he's Whelan without the defensive side to his game. When though? It’s few and far between. A forward player made one good run for us today and that was Diouf. That was it. And it’s been like that for since time began it seems. I'm talking just putting it out wide trying to even get it to the wingers but he doesn't, side ways or backwards 99% of the time. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 19:04:09 GMT
So why was Jones allowed to play them? O’Neill has decided Woods can play at DM and has said he doesn’t see Badou as a DM. Is it really a wild shout to suggest that his judgement’s off on this one? Sounds like he's bowed to Badou's own opinion on his best position? I can't imagine he'd ever seen him play before rocking up here - and the Galatasaray fans certainly didn't describe a sitter. It may not be his favourite position - but he did show he could play there and offer more than Woods. And needs must www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-oneill-butland-ndiaye-transfers-3576524“We made a change to the midfield three against Barnsley,” said O’Neill. “We possibly felt we needed a more disciplined player playing at the base and I think Ryan Woods has given us that. “Badou had also been away on international duty and felt a bit tired. “His attitude has been great and in the two games he’s come on he’s definitely given the team something. “We’ve spoken about the situation and he feels at times earlier in the season he wasn’t possibly played in his best position.“I see him as a player who will play higher up the pitch as opposed to a defensive-style midfield player and he’s responded well to that in training. “The reason he hasn’t been in the team is simple; we felt the need to change the team, the team won so we wouldn’t change a winning team. “Sam Clucas had an injury after the first game and we had an option in Nick (Powell), so it’s no reflection on Badou and his reaction to that has been very positive.” Which makes dropping him all the weirder. He should have the stones to tell him he’s playing DM til we can sign another one. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 30, 2019 19:07:15 GMT
I get the feeling Badou isn't the easiest player to manage. Should be playing though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 19:08:22 GMT
I get the feeling Badou isn't the easiest player to manage. Should be playing though. Jones got him in the team and firing though? |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 30, 2019 19:09:02 GMT
I get the feeling Badou isn't the easiest player to manage. Should be playing though. Jones got him in the team and firing though? We kept on losing though. |
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I think you're being kind.
