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Post by serpico on Dec 2, 2019 14:01:02 GMT
A Better answer is to allow a full and robust debate about Islam, nothing off limits.
Now your details please .
All well and good but when are you planning the one for Judaism and Christianity? The debate about Christianity has been open for decades, you can even make films mocking and ridiculing it without reprisals.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 2, 2019 14:06:18 GMT
All well and good but when are you planning the one for Judaism and Christianity? The debate about Christianity has been open for decades, you can even make films mocking and ridiculing it without reprisals. The debate on Judaism maybe closing...
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 2, 2019 14:47:32 GMT
Unfortunately he does himself no favours by paling around with the likes of Hamas and co, any good points he makes about our foreign policy are lost, you can make the anti interventionist case without taking any side in any conflict. I agree with Corbyn on these wars, but he goes too far with it, I disagree with Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians but that doesn’t mean I have to support Hamas or think we should get involved in any way. They shouldn't be lost though. Take Libya for example, doesn't get as much press as Iraq as no troops have physically set foot on the ground, however it has been the biggest clusterfuck in the history of foreign policy. It is now a lawless society, the human trafficking capital of the world, run by several different versions of the same radical extremists heaping misery on the people who have been forced to remain. 13 MP's (13 FFS) voted against what many could see was going to happen: Allen, Mr Graham Baron, Mr John Campbell, Mr Ronnie Corbyn, Jeremy Durkan, Mark Gardiner, Barry Godsiff, Mr Roger Lucas, Caroline McDonnell, John Riordan, Mrs Linda Ritchie, Ms Margaret Skinner, Mr Dennis Wood, Mike Neo-liberal warmongers shouldn't dictate our foreign policy any longer..... Re Libya no it hasn't the NFZ stopped regime forces who were going to a city I forget the name to wipe it out. In syria corbyn and all support Assad and his murderous cronies. I suggest you read the whole tweet thread from a journalist with a middle eastern background really takes apart the idea Jezza is some foreign policy mystic.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 2, 2019 15:10:14 GMT
They shouldn't be lost though. Take Libya for example, doesn't get as much press as Iraq as no troops have physically set foot on the ground, however it has been the biggest clusterfuck in the history of foreign policy. It is now a lawless society, the human trafficking capital of the world, run by several different versions of the same radical extremists heaping misery on the people who have been forced to remain. 13 MP's (13 FFS) voted against what many could see was going to happen: Allen, Mr Graham Baron, Mr John Campbell, Mr Ronnie Corbyn, Jeremy Durkan, Mark Gardiner, Barry Godsiff, Mr Roger Lucas, Caroline McDonnell, John Riordan, Mrs Linda Ritchie, Ms Margaret Skinner, Mr Dennis Wood, Mike Neo-liberal warmongers shouldn't dictate our foreign policy any longer..... Re Libya no it hasn't the NFZ stopped regime forces who were going to a city I forget the name to wipe it out. In syria corbyn and all support Assad and his murderous cronies. I suggest you read the whole tweet thread from a journalist with a middle eastern background really takes apart the idea Jezza is some foreign policy mystic. In general Corbyn supports Russia in pretty much anything. Russia, of course, supports Assad, so, naturally, does Corbyn. This illustrates nicely the fallacy behind the false accusations of anti-semitism directed at Corbyn. He doesn’t dislike Israel’s behaviour because they are Jewish, it’s because of their close relationship with the USA. What Corbyn hates is the West and its exploitative capitalist and imperialist ways. He doesn’t seem to give a toss about the exploitative and imperialist behaviour of Russia and China. Yes - that does mean he is a lefty hypocrite.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 2, 2019 15:18:31 GMT
As far as foreign policy goes trump is trying not to be the war monger his predecessors were. I agree to a point, however until America (and Britain which I believe is where the Corbyn “coat tails” comment comes from) continues to shows hypocrisy over the Saudis riding roughshod over countries like Yemen whilst making billions from arms deals it can’t take any moral high ground...... This may be the case but as stated it’s ok slating trump but there were not threads after threads posts after posts attacking Obama.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 16:08:02 GMT
I agree to a point, however until America (and Britain which I believe is where the Corbyn “coat tails” comment comes from) continues to shows hypocrisy over the Saudis riding roughshod over countries like Yemen whilst making billions from arms deals it can’t take any moral high ground...... This may be the case but as stated it’s ok slating trump but there were not threads after threads posts after posts attacking Obama. I can only speak for myself, I have mentioned on here before about Obama's legacy when it comes to the likes of Libya, he gets a free pass which is shocking.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 16:20:18 GMT
They shouldn't be lost though. Take Libya for example, doesn't get as much press as Iraq as no troops have physically set foot on the ground, however it has been the biggest clusterfuck in the history of foreign policy. It is now a lawless society, the human trafficking capital of the world, run by several different versions of the same radical extremists heaping misery on the people who have been forced to remain. 13 MP's (13 FFS) voted against what many could see was going to happen: Allen, Mr Graham Baron, Mr John Campbell, Mr Ronnie Corbyn, Jeremy Durkan, Mark Gardiner, Barry Godsiff, Mr Roger Lucas, Caroline McDonnell, John Riordan, Mrs Linda Ritchie, Ms Margaret Skinner, Mr Dennis Wood, Mike Neo-liberal warmongers shouldn't dictate our foreign policy any longer..... Re Libya no it hasn't the NFZ stopped regime forces who were going to a city I forget the name to wipe it out. In syria corbyn and all support Assad and his murderous cronies. I suggest you read the whole tweet thread from a journalist with a middle eastern background really takes apart the idea Jezza is some foreign policy mystic. I've read it, and with respect to his geography the bit about Libya is a load of old bollocks. Libya was a country where despite it's many faults gave free education and healthcare to its citizens, had clean water, no debt, cheap food and oil prices. The intervention that he claims the people were grateful for sent Black Libyans back hundreds of years into the slave trade. In the 21st century! Human trafficking, no rule of law, mass rapings and beatings throughout the land. People fleeing for their lives. And Corbyn is the bad guy for his stance on the NFZ? What a joke. I haven't looked at the Syria piece but will when I get the chance......
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Post by salopstick on Dec 2, 2019 16:22:08 GMT
This may be the case but as stated it’s ok slating trump but there were not threads after threads posts after posts attacking Obama. I can only speak for myself, I have mentioned on here before about Obama's legacy when it comes to the likes of Libya, he gets a free pass which is shocking..... Yep The democrats have tried to impeach nearly every democratic president since Eisenhower. They need to look at their own first. People have this mass hysteria for trump forgetting those that come before him we’re far worse
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 2, 2019 16:49:56 GMT
We can continue to carry on pointing fingers till kingdom comes.
However the the three biggest CRIMINALS of my time are; George W Bush and his puppets Anthony Blair, and his side kick Allister Campbell .
They and their illegal, historic fame seeking, actions are the cause of the hatred and suffering that the globe has been plunged into.
May they arrive in Hell ten minutes before god has chance to judge them.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 2, 2019 17:06:35 GMT
We can continue to carry on pointing fingers till kingdom comes. However the the three biggest CRIMINALS of my time are; George W Bush and his puppets Anthony Blair, and his side kick Allister Campbell . They and their illegal, historic fame seeking, actions are the cause of the hatred and suffering that the globe has been plunged into. May they arrive in Hell ten minutes before god has chance to judge them. Sadly he will be the only judge to get near Bliar and Co., he should have been summoned to the Hague along wit a few other of the Labour cabinet.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 2, 2019 17:16:35 GMT
As far as foreign policy goes trump is trying not to be the war monger his predecessors were. I agree to a point, however until America (and Britain which I believe is where the Corbyn “coat tails” comment comes from) continues to shows hypocrisy over the Saudis riding roughshod over countries like Yemen whilst making billions from arms deals it can’t take any moral high ground...... And the billions in arms sales goes towards paying thousands of jobs in this country, ergo also the nhs, education, and the welfare state. Since 2 opposing tribes bumped into each other millennium ago we’ve always kicked the shit out of each other, Pretty much every species on the planet engages in some form of tribal warfare. Defence is a multi billion pound industry which even as a first world nation we could not afford not to sell our tech to other allies for want of a better word. Don’t forget it’s not just the finished article that affects the economy it’s the parts manufactured, painted, designed and all the other intricate details that shore up large parts of small businesses. As a local firm in stoke what I work for I know I’m involved in massive defence projects some of which will hopefully soon secure the future for the company I work for. Therefore will mean I can pay my mortgage and bills have a disposable income, support my wife and four kids, help look after my parents as they get older. Hell even mean I can afford a season ticket at stoke? All because the Saudis brought a hundred brimstone missiles or our government decides build a new nuclear sub and so on and so on.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 2, 2019 17:21:14 GMT
All well and good but when are you planning the one for Judaism and Christianity? The debate about Christianity has been open for decades, you can even make films mocking and ridiculing it without reprisals. I can' wait for the comedy the Life of Mohammed, can see it going down a storm with the Muslim community
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 2, 2019 17:27:30 GMT
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Post by serpico on Dec 2, 2019 17:30:35 GMT
The debate about Christianity has been open for decades, you can even make films mocking and ridiculing it without reprisals. I can' wait for the comedy the Life of Mohammed, can see it going down a storm with the Muslim community the very fact nobody can make that film tells you everything you need to know, surely ?
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Post by serpico on Dec 2, 2019 17:38:53 GMT
i don't really see how its being used to push hatred, a bit surprising he has nothing to say about the agenda of hatred that his sons murderer harboured.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 2, 2019 17:46:59 GMT
The debate about Christianity has been open for decades, you can even make films mocking and ridiculing it without reprisals. I can' wait for the comedy the Life of Mohammed, can see it going down a storm with the Muslim community I was listening to a program on the radio earlier about Sufi Islam & the guy they were interviewing was slamming Wahabi Muslims & said they have only been in existence for a couple of hundred years. Proper miserable right wing Muslims.
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Post by serpico on Dec 2, 2019 18:02:45 GMT
I find this a bit bizarre to be honest, his son has just been slain by a jihadi murderer and his anger is aimed at Johnson who is promising to change the laws so this is less likely to happen again in the future, shouldn't he be agreeing with this ? this is a political issue, its impossible to talk about it without politicising it, people want to know what Johnson would do about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 18:12:30 GMT
I agree to a point, however until America (and Britain which I believe is where the Corbyn “coat tails” comment comes from) continues to shows hypocrisy over the Saudis riding roughshod over countries like Yemen whilst making billions from arms deals it can’t take any moral high ground...... And the billions in arms sales goes towards paying thousands of jobs in this country, ergo also the nhs, education, and the welfare state. Since 2 opposing tribes bumped into each other millennium ago we’ve always kicked the shit out of each other, Pretty much every species on the planet engages in some form of tribal warfare. Defence is a multi billion pound industry which even as a first world nation we could not afford not to sell our tech to other allies for want of a better word. Don’t forget it’s not just the finished article that affects the economy it’s the parts manufactured, painted, designed and all the other intricate details that shore up large parts of small businesses. As a local firm in stoke what I work for I know I’m involved in massive defence projects some of which will hopefully soon secure the future for the company I work for. Therefore will mean I can pay my mortgage and bills have a disposable income, support my wife and four kids, help look after my parents as they get older. Hell even mean I can afford a season ticket at stoke? All because the Saudis brought a hundred brimstone missiles or our government decides build a new nuclear sub and so on and so on. One country indiscriminately carpet bombing another isn't "two tribes kicking the shit out of each other" A company that makes that kind of technology when the sole aim is to kill thousands of innocent people should be held to account, and anyone who knowingly involved with that company needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves whether they should change employers/careers. There's a difference between that and selling ships, aircraft, cyber security, tanks, maritime technology etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 18:16:37 GMT
Re Libya no it hasn't the NFZ stopped regime forces who were going to a city I forget the name to wipe it out. In syria corbyn and all support Assad and his murderous cronies. I suggest you read the whole tweet thread from a journalist with a middle eastern background really takes apart the idea Jezza is some foreign policy mystic. In general Corbyn supports Russia in pretty much anything. Russia, of course, supports Assad, so, naturally, does Corbyn. This illustrates nicely the fallacy behind the false accusations of anti-semitism directed at Corbyn. He doesn’t dislike Israel’s behaviour because they are Jewish, it’s because of their close relationship with the USA. What Corbyn hates is the West and its exploitative capitalist and imperialist ways. He doesn’t seem to give a toss about the exploitative and imperialist behaviour of Russia and China. Yes - that does mean he is a lefty hypocrite. Corbyn did challenge Xi Jinping direct on their human rights issues when they met, in a 30 minute meeting at Buckingham Palace......
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 2, 2019 18:17:48 GMT
I find this a bit bizarre to be honest, his son has just been slain by a jihadi murderer and his anger is aimed at Johnson who is promising to change the laws so this is less likely to happen again in the future, shouldn't he be agreeing with this ? this is a political issue, its impossible to talk about it without politicising it, people want to know what Johnson would do about it. A parent losing a child is about as painful experience as I can imagine. It’s something I hope I never have to suffer. It is a desperate situation. My heart goes out to him. How someone reacts to that is extremely personal. He has chosen to make some political statements on behalf of his son. Whether he is right or wrong in what he says isn’t really important. Hopefully he won’t get used as a political football. He has too much on his plate just now.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 2, 2019 18:23:37 GMT
In general Corbyn supports Russia in pretty much anything. Russia, of course, supports Assad, so, naturally, does Corbyn. This illustrates nicely the fallacy behind the false accusations of anti-semitism directed at Corbyn. He doesn’t dislike Israel’s behaviour because they are Jewish, it’s because of their close relationship with the USA. What Corbyn hates is the West and its exploitative capitalist and imperialist ways. He doesn’t seem to give a toss about the exploitative and imperialist behaviour of Russia and China. Yes - that does mean he is a lefty hypocrite. Corbyn did challenge Xi Jinping direct on their human rights issues when they met, in a 30 minute meeting at Buckingham Palace...... That was 4 years ago - and it was never revealed what he did say to challenge Xi Jinping. But let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and accept he read him the riot act (ok - that’s a BIG benefit). What has he done since then, as the champion of the oppressed, at the continuing and increasing persecution of Muslim populations in the western provinces of China. Answer - nothing.
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Post by vokeswagen on Dec 2, 2019 18:28:33 GMT
I find this a bit bizarre to be honest, his son has just been slain by a jihadi murderer and his anger is aimed at Johnson who is promising to change the laws so this is less likely to happen again in the future, shouldn't he be agreeing with this ? this is a political issue, its impossible to talk about it without politicising it, people want to know what Johnson would do about it. He's entitled to his opinion particularly if Johnson has decided to politicise his son's death after being specifically asked not to. My guess is he wouldn't have said all this if Johnson and his press pack had done as they were asked. Perhaps the very act of the point scoring itself was what galvanised Mr Merritt into speaking out. It takes a lot of different strands coming together to create a terrorist atrocity like this and attempting to simplify it into "Labour bad, Tory good" does nothing for anyone. Least of all the general public. It's asking for bad publicity and it's getting it.
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Post by serpico on Dec 2, 2019 18:36:31 GMT
I find this a bit bizarre to be honest, his son has just been slain by a jihadi murderer and his anger is aimed at Johnson who is promising to change the laws so this is less likely to happen again in the future, shouldn't he be agreeing with this ? this is a political issue, its impossible to talk about it without politicising it, people want to know what Johnson would do about it. He's entitled to his opinion particularly if Johnson has decided to politicise his son's death after being specifically asked not to. My guess is he wouldn't have said all this if Johnson and his press pack had done as they were asked. Perhaps the very act of the point scoring itself was what galvanised Mr Merritt into speaking out. It takes a lot of different strands coming together to create a terrorist atrocity like this and attempting to simplify it into "Labour bad, Tory good" does nothing for anyone. Least of all the general public. It's asking for bad publicity and it's getting it. i never said he isn't entitled to his opinion. Johnson is the prime minister, he's asked about how this has happened and what he's going to do about it, he can't just not give an answer as everyone would be thinking he's ignoring the problem. If this was my son i'd be livid mainly at the person who did it and would be demanding a tightening up of the laws so it cant happen again, i'd be incandescent with rage that this person was allowed to walk the streets unmolested! but i suppose we all react differently.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 18:41:40 GMT
Corbyn did challenge Xi Jinping direct on their human rights issues when they met, in a 30 minute meeting at Buckingham Palace...... That was 4 years ago - and it was never revealed what he did say to challenge Xi Jinping. But let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and accept he read him the riot act (ok - that’s a BIG benefit). What has he done since then, as the champion of the oppressed, at the continuing and increasing persecution of Muslim populations in the western provinces of China. Answer - nothing. It appears that way yes. But in defending Corbyn over "the war on terrorism" I'm in no way saying he's perfect, there are issues where he's made an incorrect judgement call such as the Balkans. Seems a bit odd though that he appears to be held to a higher standard than those people who championed the Iraq invasion, the Libya attacks etc, whilst criticising Corbyn and calling him a "threat to security" and a "friend of terrorists". They get a free pass, and when the next country gets attcked they will be there chomping at the bit to vote for it whilst not learning any lessons from past mistakes........
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Post by vokeswagen on Dec 2, 2019 18:46:27 GMT
He's entitled to his opinion particularly if Johnson has decided to politicise his son's death after being specifically asked not to. My guess is he wouldn't have said all this if Johnson and his press pack had done as they were asked. Perhaps the very act of the point scoring itself was what galvanised Mr Merritt into speaking out. It takes a lot of different strands coming together to create a terrorist atrocity like this and attempting to simplify it into "Labour bad, Tory good" does nothing for anyone. Least of all the general public. It's asking for bad publicity and it's getting it. i never said he isn't entitled to his opinion. Johnson is the prime minister, he's asked about how this has happened and what he's going to do about it, he can't just not give an answer as everyone would be thinking he's ignoring the problem. If this was my son i'd be livid mainly at the person who did it and would be demanding a tightening up of the laws so it cant happen again, i'd be incandescent with rage that this person was allowed to walk the streets unmolested! but i suppose we all react differently. Absolutely and Johnson could have answered that question along the lines of "we will conduct a full and thorough investigation to find out what went wrong and the public can rest assured that we will do everything in our powers, if elected, to ensure this kind of tragedy can't be repeated". But he didn't do that. He tried to make political capital out of it by blaming Labour. Having being asked not to.
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Post by serpico on Dec 2, 2019 18:49:56 GMT
i never said he isn't entitled to his opinion. Johnson is the prime minister, he's asked about how this has happened and what he's going to do about it, he can't just not give an answer as everyone would be thinking he's ignoring the problem. If this was my son i'd be livid mainly at the person who did it and would be demanding a tightening up of the laws so it cant happen again, i'd be incandescent with rage that this person was allowed to walk the streets unmolested! but i suppose we all react differently. Absolutely and Johnson could have answered that question along the lines of "we will conduct a full and thorough investigation to find out what went wrong and the public can rest assured that we will do everything in our powers, if elected, to ensure this kind of tragedy can't be repeated". But he didn't do that. He tried to make political capital out of it by blaming Labour. Having being asked not to. If he thinks labour are to blame then he should say so, then we can have the debate about whether or not he's right, if he is right then the people can hold labour to account by not voting for them, isn't that how politics work ? if labour have fucked up and its led to this catastrophe then people are entitled to know it and vote accordingly.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 2, 2019 19:12:06 GMT
And the billions in arms sales goes towards paying thousands of jobs in this country, ergo also the nhs, education, and the welfare state. Since 2 opposing tribes bumped into each other millennium ago we’ve always kicked the shit out of each other, Pretty much every species on the planet engages in some form of tribal warfare. Defence is a multi billion pound industry which even as a first world nation we could not afford not to sell our tech to other allies for want of a better word. Don’t forget it’s not just the finished article that affects the economy it’s the parts manufactured, painted, designed and all the other intricate details that shore up large parts of small businesses. As a local firm in stoke what I work for I know I’m involved in massive defence projects some of which will hopefully soon secure the future for the company I work for. Therefore will mean I can pay my mortgage and bills have a disposable income, support my wife and four kids, help look after my parents as they get older. Hell even mean I can afford a season ticket at stoke? All because the Saudis brought a hundred brimstone missiles or our government decides build a new nuclear sub and so on and so on. One country indiscriminately carpet bombing another isn't "two tribes kicking the shit out of each other" A company that makes that kind of technology when the sole aim is to kill thousands of innocent people should be held to account, and anyone who knowingly involved with that company needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves whether they should change employers/careers. There's a difference between that and selling ships, aircraft, cyber security, tanks, maritime technology etc etc All military tech has the ability to kill thousands do I agree with the foreign policy of Saudi Arabia or even this country not necessarily however I have no impact on that and are never likely to be able to impact it. I don’t personally have anything to do with any military finished product but I’m in the processing chain, do I consider what these are used for as an end product yes I do and I understand it. Fundamentally though no matter who is in our government labour or Tory they will buy or sell to or from somebody who a portion of our population do not agree with. Somewhere along the line most of us will be involved in an industry which preys on the weak and exploits people. Carpet bombing innocents is not something I agree with but I also know a 95 year old bloke in basford who is one off the nicest men I know, who has been a great family friend, who in 1944 and 1945 indiscriminately carpet bombed Munich Hamburg Dresden Berlin and multiple other German cities killing thousands based on a government policy he was told to act upon. We don’t always have a choice in what we do in our life and we certainly are very few and privileged if we have the ability to affect our own government policy let alone another’s. The world now is too small of a place with too many people having large control over it and unfortunately it’s often out of the hands of the little man. I truly believe though that you are more naive if you believe now that any government we elect will ever illicit major positive change either internally or externally as the morons spend to much time fighting with each other and vetoing anything positive because they didn’t suggest it.
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Post by vokeswagen on Dec 2, 2019 19:33:36 GMT
Absolutely and Johnson could have answered that question along the lines of "we will conduct a full and thorough investigation to find out what went wrong and the public can rest assured that we will do everything in our powers, if elected, to ensure this kind of tragedy can't be repeated". But he didn't do that. He tried to make political capital out of it by blaming Labour. Having being asked not to. If he thinks labour are to blame then he should say so, then we can have the debate about whether or not he's right, if he is right then the people can hold labour to account by not voting for them, isn't that how politics work ? if labour have fucked up and its led to this catastrophe then people are entitled to know it and vote accordingly. We elect leaders to high office in order to appraise themselves of evidence, then make difficult decisions on matters of life and death in a calm and level-headed manner. Not to get into emotive slanging matches in the mass media long before the proper authorities have gathered all the facts. What Boris Johnson is engaged in isn't anything so dignified as a "debate" - and of course he's going to say Labour are to blame. That's not exactly a revelatory piece of insightful analysis that's in the public interest is it. He's hardly likely to say "actually sorry we fucked up", even if deep down he thinks his party have. Anyway, you have the debate you wanted, and Mr Merritt has decided to get involved too.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 2, 2019 19:43:00 GMT
And the billions in arms sales goes towards paying thousands of jobs in this country, ergo also the nhs, education, and the welfare state. Since 2 opposing tribes bumped into each other millennium ago we’ve always kicked the shit out of each other, Pretty much every species on the planet engages in some form of tribal warfare. Defence is a multi billion pound industry which even as a first world nation we could not afford not to sell our tech to other allies for want of a better word. Don’t forget it’s not just the finished article that affects the economy it’s the parts manufactured, painted, designed and all the other intricate details that shore up large parts of small businesses. As a local firm in stoke what I work for I know I’m involved in massive defence projects some of which will hopefully soon secure the future for the company I work for. Therefore will mean I can pay my mortgage and bills have a disposable income, support my wife and four kids, help look after my parents as they get older. Hell even mean I can afford a season ticket at stoke? All because the Saudis brought a hundred brimstone missiles or our government decides build a new nuclear sub and so on and so on. One country indiscriminately carpet bombing another isn't "two tribes kicking the shit out of each other" A company that makes that kind of technology when the sole aim is to kill thousands of innocent people should be held to account, and anyone who knowingly involved with that company needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves whether they should change employers/careers. There's a difference between that and selling ships, aircraft, cyber security, tanks, maritime technology etc etc Haven't we tried this ethical foreign policy before, or was it just talked about?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 19:53:08 GMT
One country indiscriminately carpet bombing another isn't "two tribes kicking the shit out of each other" A company that makes that kind of technology when the sole aim is to kill thousands of innocent people should be held to account, and anyone who knowingly involved with that company needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves whether they should change employers/careers. There's a difference between that and selling ships, aircraft, cyber security, tanks, maritime technology etc etc Haven't we tried this ethical foreign policy before, or was it just talked about? Since when has not wanting to be complicit in the killing of tens of thousands of innocent Yemenis by selling bombs to a rogue state been “ethical?” It’s should be the standard stance to take by anyone with a shred of decency......
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